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[Xemnas07]

So now that it's been a while and people have had a chance to cool down, I thought I might take the risk and defend ME3. Now before i start, don't get me wrong, i HATED the endings, theyre absolutely atrocious. But here's the thing; they are not bad endings in and of themselves, they are bad because they were ripped from another game and their logic does NOT belong in the ME universe and thus, creates plot holes and contradictions. But I'm sure if these were another games endings and the game was built around them, like Deus Ex, then no one would have a problem with them. Basically, the problem with the endings lies in the fact that they are unoriginal and DO NOT fit into the ME universe and its themes.

Now, this game does have other flaws; static journal, zaeed style convos, mediocre cameos (besides mordin's) for ME2 squad, the missed potential in making battle assets a useless number, and many others that people have brought up, but what game is without its flaws? Even everyones favorite, ME2 or ME1 had a ton of flaws. As for the auto-dialogue, i dont see the complaint there; they still let you choose the outcome of the convo and make the important decisions when they arose, so personally, i didnt mind the addition of some auto dialogue although, i do agree that the game would have been better without it; it was not a needed change and they could have avoided a lot of hate on that subject had they just left the convo and dialogue system alone.

But once you begin to look past these things, you begin to uncover a masterpiece (ignore the endings). Everything before the endings was simply..... beautiful. Never have i been so immersed in a story, so moved by the scenes and dialogue, so pumped during the action scenes. This game constantly gave me shivers, constantly tugged at my hear with senes like Mordin and Thane's death. And the soundtrack..... one of the most moving and powerful soundtracks ever made. Simply amazing.This was more than just a game to many people, it moved them, made them feel every decision, made them shiver with almost every line that was delivered. It was beautiful.

Was i tremendously disappointed in the endings? Hell yes. Tons of mised potential, but i can now tolerate them with the EC. Im not saying the EC fixes anything, but it allows me to play the game without hating it all because of the last 20 minutes. And now, on my thrid playthrough, i have finally moved on from the endings and fully enjoy the beauty that is the rest of the story. I do not think that any other game in the near future will come close to accomplishing what this game did; making fans fall in love with a story and making them FEEL every bit of emotion that was intended and allow them to actually feel like they are controlling the outcome of this universe.

It is just my opinion, and i know many disagree with me and will bash on me for saying it, but ME3 is undoubtedly (again, except for the endings) one of the best games ever made and one of the best stories ever told. It has earned a spot in my heart for as long as video games will exist.

Modifié par Xemnas07, 13 septembre 2012 - 06:57 .

[JBPBRC]

No. ME2 was better.

[dirty console peasant]

no, there were too many flaws other than the endings. glitches, fetch quests, auto dialogue, and the ending was atrocious.

[Xemnas07]

Shepard Cmdr wrote...

no, there were too many flaws other than the endings. glitches, fetch quests, auto dialogue, and the ending was atrocious.

skyrim was glitchy, ME2 was glitchy, it happens in a huge game like this, to say they ruin the game is being close minded and letting your anger get in the way.

[Red Dust]

www.youtube.com/watch

[Gabylan001]

No, is a good game but "the best ever made" NO.

[dorktainian]

Mass Effect 2 is just so much better than ME3. How can anyone justify ME3 being one of the best games ...... really delusional. There are MANY better games.

[Xemnas07]

Red Dust wrote...

www.youtube.com/watch

welp i was expecting that, lol ridicule happens when you disagree with the masses

[Xemnas07]

dorktainian wrote...

Mass Effect 2 is just so much better than ME3. How can anyone justify ME3 being one of the best games ...... really delusional. There are MANY better games.

well iw rote a whole thread on how ME2 is a good game, but people seem to ignore the fact that it has a LOT of the same flaws as ME3 and on a larger scale. The only thing me2 had the was AMAZING was the last mission and the following endings, which is how they shoulda modeled the ME3 endings.

[mumba]

 

Modifié par Mumba1511, 13 septembre 2012 - 07:06 .

[Xemnas07]

Mumba1511 wrote...

 

see above comment where i repsonded to the laughing youtube video. I cant say you guys are bias, cuz im being bias in staing this opinion, but you are being narrow minded. letting your anger with the endings and small flaws affect your judgement, causing you to ignore waht they did RIGHT. But think about it this way, would you still be on the forums if this game was just a pos?

[Ozida]

Mumba1511 wrote...

 

I second that, dear sir/ madam.


ETA:

see above comment where i repsonded to the laughing youtube video. I cant say you guys are bias, cuz im being bias in staing this opinion, but you are being narrow minded. letting your anger with the endings and small flaws affect your judgement, causing you to ignore waht they did RIGHT. But think about it this way, would you still be on the forums if this game was just a pos?

Anger and hate have nothing to do with that. But there are soooo many games that are better than ME3, that it seems that you may just have a poor gaming experience claiming "the best". It is a good mediocre game, something that I would've given a good C+.

As for us, "hater", being here, I can only speak for myself, but discussing ME3 is actually much more fun than playing it. And I am not a heppy bunny about that, believe me.

Modifié par Ozida, 13 septembre 2012 - 07:11 .

[Xemnas07]

Ozida wrote...

Mumba1511 wrote...

 

I second that, dear sir/ madam.

lol read my responding comment to that

[dirty console peasant]

Xemnas07 wrote...

Shepard Cmdr wrote...

no, there were too many flaws other than the endings. glitches, fetch quests, auto dialogue, and the ending was atrocious.

skyrim was glitchy, ME2 was glitchy, it happens in a huge game like this, to say they ruin the game is being close minded and letting your anger get in the way.

the glitches were the least of my gripes in that post, in order of how bad they were, from worst to not so bad

• ending
• auto dialogue
• fetch quests
• glitches

the glitches really were not that bad (except for BSOD, which still has not been fixed six months after launch), also the glitches with dialogue (namely the one where liara forgets about LotSB, and some others that I can not think of right now)

[Xemnas07]

Guys look, im NOT saying to agree with me, all im saying that yes, the endings sucked and there were flaws. All im asking is to be open minded, take another look at the game, notice everything they did right. Can 75 perfect scores really be wrong? Would you still be on the forums if this game was just a steaming pile of crap? no, you owulda moved on by now.

[JBPBRC]

Oh those fetch quests...."Don't worry Elcor! I'll save you from the Reapers!"

"With barely-restrained joy: Thank you Commander....Questioning: Is this a...probe?"

Shepard: "Cya!"

[JBPBRC]

Xemnas07 wrote...

Can 75 perfect scores really be wrong?

Yes.

Would you still be on the forums if this game was just a steaming pile of crap? no, you owulda moved on by now.

Being good or bad is not a requisite for being on an online forum for discussion of a game.

[Red Dust]

Except proclaiming something to be "best" is in and of itself a statement of opinion. Usually a popular or well founded opinion, supported by a consensus of criteria that have been agreed upon to be relevant by the majority.

To say that something is "best" or "greatest" then complain about defending yourself from the majority is asinine.

Mass Effect 3 can be one of your favorite games, inarguably. That is your own personal opinion. However, when you propose something (anything) as "best", period full stop, you should be ready for a real fight.

[The Night Mammoth]

Good game.

Not one of the best game's ever made. Way off that illustrious label.

Of the games I've kept because I like playing them, which numbers around 20 titles, it'd be near the bottom of the pile if you told be to rank them. 

Not just because of the ending. 

But mostly because of the ending. 

Modifié par The Night Mammoth, 13 septembre 2012 - 07:14 .

[dirty console peasant]

Xemnas07 wrote...

Guys look, im NOT saying to agree with me, all im saying that yes, the endings sucked and there were flaws. All im asking is to be open minded, take another look at the game, notice everything they did right. Can 75 perfect scores really be wrong? Would you still be on the forums if this game was just a steaming pile of crap? no, you owulda moved on by now.

Yes 75 perfect scores can easily be wrong when the people giving those reviews are on EAs payroll
Yes I am still on these forums, because the game had quite a few bad qualities that Bioware could easily (or maybe not so easily fix) but the point is that they are calling it art, and refusing to admit that they screwed up.  I did not get what I paid for, and instead of a refund, which I will never get, and to tell the truth do not want.  I want the product that I paid for.

[Shortened]

ME3 was a good game, but it wasn't even in the same class of game as ME1 and ME2 for me. I enjoyed ME3 but there was quite a few instances where you could tell it was rushed and that it had changed to try to appeal to the wider audiences too much (which hurt the game and my overall experience playing it).

[Xemnas07]

Red Dust wrote...

Except proclaiming something to be "best" is in and of itself a statement of opinion. Usually a popular or well founded opinion, supported by a consensus of criteria that have been agreed upon to be relevant by the majority.

To say that something is "best" or "greatest" then complain about defending yourself from the majority is asinine.

Mass Effect 3 can be one of your favorite games, inarguably. That is your own personal opinion. However, when you propose something (anything) as "best", period full stop, you should be ready for a real fight.

you are completely right. but what the majority thinks changes. They used to absolutely believe the earth was flat and was the center of the univers. There have also been multiple pieces of literature throughout time that were riduculed as less than literature but are now hailed as masterpieces. Thats all im saying. Maybe a few years from now some new light will be shead onto ME3 and it will be hailed as a masterpiece, maybe it will forever be perceived by the majority as a steaming pile of poo. Who knows.

[Robhuzz]

In my opinion it had some of the series absolute high points like the Tuchanka storyline among others.

Sadly it also had all of the series massive low points. Auto dialogue, fetch quests being the main attraction of the game, all 5 side quests being nothing more than reused multiplayer maps. Not to mention the ridiculous deus ex machina plot, the downright lazy writing, not following up on plot points, decisions from previous games meaning absolutely squat (which was a major point in early advertising to this game) and the atrocity they call an ending. To me it's by far the weakest game in the series.