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[Cashmoney007]

CronoDragoon wrote...

Cashmoney007 wrote...

But all those games gave you everything that you could ask for at the time.  It is probably true that they wouldn't hold a candle to what games have become.  I didn't play Warrior Within so I can't say anything about that one.  Uncharted 3 should be the popular opinion because it was the best game out of the series.  I should have also added the Metal Gear Series.  I am also going to add Golden Eye for Nintendo 64 because that was one amazing game though the graphics would not hold up these days but still amazing.  I personally feel that all those games I put up are better than ME3.  I can't say some of them are when it comes to graphics.

While they might have been great for their time, that doesn't mean they are some of the greatest games of all time. It isn't just the graphics, either. Gameplay has evolved leaps and bounds. If someone played GoldenEye today they would think it was a terrible FPS. If you want to make a universal claim about a game's greatness, it must hold up to modern standards. The only exception would, of course, be a game's story which, like a movie, is independent of technical prowess.

People should understand what can make a game great is more than just graphics.  I don't think those games are the greatest of all time but still amazing games.  If we didn't have doom for example then later on would we have had Halo and games like that?  Doom helped with the foundation of these fps games that we have now.

Modifié par Cashmoney007, 14 septembre 2012 - 05:05 .

[DonYourAviators]

Stupid question.

[Blueprotoss]

Cashmoney007 wrote...

People should understand what can make a game great is more than just graphics.  I don't think those games are the greatest of all time but still amazing games.  If we didn't have doom for example then would we have later on had halo and games like that?  Doom helped with the foundation of these fps games that we have now.

The foundations don't always match just like how Pong is and what Mario has turned into.  Foundations will always change based on you need to evolve to survive.

[AllegedVixEo]

Cashmoney007 wrote...

People actually think that ME3 is one of the best games ever made? Really? Have other people not played amazing games like Half-Life 2, Uncharted 3, AC2, Doom 2, Prince of Persia: Sands of time, Starcraft, Knights of the Old Republic, and Warcraft 2?

It's all a matter of opinion.  I personally think the ME series is the best game series ever.  Conversely, I can't stand the uncharted games, they can't hold my attention.. It's like beating my head into a wall.  Doom was cool back in the day, but no cooler than any of the other FPS of it's time, Quake, Portal, Duke, etc.  

Bioware makes my favorite games, that's why I post here.  ME series, Dragon Age... Although I've never played KotOR, I am sure it's equally awesome.  Nothing has quite moved me like the ME series though. That's why I think it is the best. 

[CronoDragoon]

Cashmoney007 wrote...

People should understand what can make a game great is more than just graphics.  I don't think those games are the greatest of all time but still amazing games.  If we didn't have doom for example then later on would we have had Halo and games like that?  Doom helped with the foundation of these fps games that we have now.

As I said earlier, it's more than just graphics that have progressed. It's also gameplay and the technical ability of programming games in general, which are crucial to a game's quality.

And that doesn't make Doom the great game, it makes it a precursor to a great game.

[Cashmoney007]

DonYourAviators wrote...

Stupid question.

It is not a stupid question.  There always has to be a foundation on games because those ideas are what they used to continue on what games we have today.  If there was no Dungeons and Dragons then we would not have things like mmos as we have today.

[Cashmoney007]

AllegedVixEo wrote...

Cashmoney007 wrote...

People actually think that ME3 is one of the best games ever made? Really? Have other people not played amazing games like Half-Life 2, Uncharted 3, AC2, Doom 2, Prince of Persia: Sands of time, Starcraft, Knights of the Old Republic, and Warcraft 2?

It's all a matter of opinion.  I personally think the ME series is the best game series ever.  Conversely, I can't stand the uncharted games, they can't hold my attention.. It's like beating my head into a wall.  Doom was cool back in the day, but no cooler than any of the other FPS of it's time, Quake, Portal, Duke, etc.  

Bioware makes my favorite games, that's why I post here.  ME series, Dragon Age... Although I've never played KotOR, I am sure it's equally awesome.  Nothing has quite moved me like the ME series though. That's why I think it is the best. 

It is your opinion.  I would suggest playing Kotor.  I just personally can't feel that Bioware gives me everything I need in a game.

[Blueprotoss]

Cashmoney007 wrote...

AllegedVixEo wrote...

Cashmoney007 wrote...

People actually think that ME3 is one of the best games ever made? Really? Have other people not played amazing games like Half-Life 2, Uncharted 3, AC2, Doom 2, Prince of Persia: Sands of time, Starcraft, Knights of the Old Republic, and Warcraft 2?

It's all a matter of opinion.  I personally think the ME series is the best game series ever.  Conversely, I can't stand the uncharted games, they can't hold my attention.. It's like beating my head into a wall.  Doom was cool back in the day, but no cooler than any of the other FPS of it's time, Quake, Portal, Duke, etc.  

Bioware makes my favorite games, that's why I post here.  ME series, Dragon Age... Although I've never played KotOR, I am sure it's equally awesome.  Nothing has quite moved me like the ME series though. That's why I think it is the best. 

It is your opinion.  I would suggest playing Kotor.  I just personally can't feel that Bioware gives me everything I need in a game.

To be fair you might have changed instead of Bioware.

[Cashmoney007]

Blueprotoss wrote...

Cashmoney007 wrote...

People should understand what can make a game great is more than just graphics.  I don't think those games are the greatest of all time but still amazing games.  If we didn't have doom for example then would we have later on had halo and games like that?  Doom helped with the foundation of these fps games that we have now.

The foundations don't always match just like how Pong is and what Mario has turned into.  Foundations will always change based on you need to evolve to survive.

The foundation doesn't always have to match.  But I am pretty sure some of those ideas came from older games and then were built from that.  This is the first time I have actually had a debate on here.  You make interesting points on here, man.

[Reorte]

CronoDragoon wrote...

Cashmoney007 wrote...

People should understand what can make a game great is more than just graphics.  I don't think those games are the greatest of all time but still amazing games.  If we didn't have doom for example then later on would we have had Halo and games like that?  Doom helped with the foundation of these fps games that we have now.

As I said earlier, it's more than just graphics that have progressed. It's also gameplay and the technical ability of programming games in general, which are crucial to a game's quality.

And that doesn't make Doom the great game, it makes it a precursor to a great game.

Have things progressed? Admittedly my knowledge of current games is pretty limited but I've not seen a really good space fighting sim since TIE Fighter for example. It certainly stands up brilliantly in gameplay.

[Blueprotoss]

Cashmoney007 wrote...

Blueprotoss wrote...

Cashmoney007 wrote...

People should understand what can make a game great is more than just graphics.  I don't think those games are the greatest of all time but still amazing games.  If we didn't have doom for example then would we have later on had halo and games like that?  Doom helped with the foundation of these fps games that we have now.

The foundations don't always match just like how Pong is and what Mario has turned into.  Foundations will always change based on you need to evolve to survive.

The foundation doesn't always have to match.  But I am pretty sure some of those ideas came from older games and then were built from that.  This is the first time I have actually had a debate on here.  You make interesting points on here, man.

No problem and my preferred method is debate, which doesn't happen too much on the Internet.  Foundations don't always match and ideas are always reused as well, which I wouldn't be surprised if ME is just a more refined KotoR taken in a vastly different direction.

[Cashmoney007]

Blueprotoss wrote...

Cashmoney007 wrote...

AllegedVixEo wrote...

Cashmoney007 wrote...

People actually think that ME3 is one of the best games ever made? Really? Have other people not played amazing games like Half-Life 2, Uncharted 3, AC2, Doom 2, Prince of Persia: Sands of time, Starcraft, Knights of the Old Republic, and Warcraft 2?

It's all a matter of opinion.  I personally think the ME series is the best game series ever.  Conversely, I can't stand the uncharted games, they can't hold my attention.. It's like beating my head into a wall.  Doom was cool back in the day, but no cooler than any of the other FPS of it's time, Quake, Portal, Duke, etc.  

Bioware makes my favorite games, that's why I post here.  ME series, Dragon Age... Although I've never played KotOR, I am sure it's equally awesome.  Nothing has quite moved me like the ME series though. That's why I think it is the best. 

It is your opinion.  I would suggest playing Kotor.  I just personally can't feel that Bioware gives me everything I need in a game.

To be fair you might have changed instead of Bioware.

A lot of people as well as me will feel the quality has gone down after ME3 and Tor.  I didn't used to feel that way.  But I can't say I hated ME3.  I actually played tor for a while until it became a let down.

Modifié par Cashmoney007, 14 septembre 2012 - 05:30 .

[Cashmoney007]

Blueprotoss wrote...

Cashmoney007 wrote...

Blueprotoss wrote...

Cashmoney007 wrote...

People should understand what can make a game great is more than just graphics.  I don't think those games are the greatest of all time but still amazing games.  If we didn't have doom for example then would we have later on had halo and games like that?  Doom helped with the foundation of these fps games that we have now.

The foundations don't always match just like how Pong is and what Mario has turned into.  Foundations will always change based on you need to evolve to survive.

The foundation doesn't always have to match.  But I am pretty sure some of those ideas came from older games and then were built from that.  This is the first time I have actually had a debate on here.  You make interesting points on here, man.

No problem and my preferred method is debate, which doesn't happen too much on the Internet.  Foundations don't always match and ideas are always reused as well, which I wouldn't be surprised if ME is just a more refined KotoR taken in a vastly different direction.

I would agree that it is a more refined Kotor.

[Blueprotoss]

Cashmoney007 wrote...

Blueprotoss wrote...

To be fair you might have changed instead of Bioware.

A lot of people as well as me will feel the quality has gone down after ME3 and Tor.  I didn't used to feel that way.

The quality changed in ME2 because action was needed since ME1 covered most of the story.  ME3 later appeared as the finale and actally became a good balance.

Cashmoney007 wrote...

Blueprotoss wrote...

No problem and my preferred method is debate, which doesn't happen too much on the Internet.  Foundations don't always match and ideas are always reused as well, which I wouldn't be surprised if ME is just a more refined KotoR taken in a vastly different direction.

I would agree that it is a more refined Kotor.

Maybe thats why some people didn't like ME3 then. 

Modifié par Blueprotoss, 14 septembre 2012 - 05:32 .

[Cashmoney007]

[quote]Blueprotoss wrote...

[quote]Cashmoney007 wrote...

[quote]Blueprotoss wrote...

It is your opinion.  I would suggest playing Kotor.  I just personally can't feel that Bioware gives me everything I need in a game.[/quote]To be fair you might have changed instead of Bioware.
[/quote]

A lot of people as well as me will feel the quality has gone down after ME3 and Tor.  I didn't used to feel that way.[/quote]

[/quote]The quality changed in ME2 because action was needed since ME1 covered most of the story.  ME3 later appeared as the finale and actally became a good balance.
[/quote]

I did like the fact that they improved that action in ME3.  I was happy that Sheppard could actually jump but didn't mind the action in ME2 though.  

Modifié par Cashmoney007, 14 septembre 2012 - 05:46 .

[Reth Shepherd]

Cashmoney007 wrote...

Blueprotoss wrote...

Cashmoney007 wrote...

Blueprotoss wrote...

Cashmoney007 wrote...

People should understand what can make a game great is more than just graphics.  I don't think those games are the greatest of all time but still amazing games.  If we didn't have doom for example then would we have later on had halo and games like that?  Doom helped with the foundation of these fps games that we have now.

The foundations don't always match just like how Pong is and what Mario has turned into.  Foundations will always change based on you need to evolve to survive.

The foundation doesn't always have to match.  But I am pretty sure some of those ideas came from older games and then were built from that.  This is the first time I have actually had a debate on here.  You make interesting points on here, man.

No problem and my preferred method is debate, which doesn't happen too much on the Internet.  Foundations don't always match and ideas are always reused as well, which I wouldn't be surprised if ME is just a more refined KotoR taken in a vastly different direction.

I would agree that it is a more refined Kotor.

Don't bother, Cash. Blue is right. Blue is ALWAYS right. And even if you produce evidence proving him wrong, Blue is somehow still right. (Speaking of which, Blue, you never did respond to the source links to your much-disliked Wiki article. Are you going to claim that the original articles are incorrect, too?)

[Ozida]

Blueprotoss wrote...
The quality changed in ME2 because action was needed since ME1 covered most of the story.  ME3 later appeared as the finale and actally became a good balance.

I wouldn't call it a "good balance", to be honest. In my opinion, ME3 was much more like a shooter than actuall RPG game. I can hardly remember quests where I could win using just words, not guns. And it's not that I would like ME to be a chatroom for pacifists , but just saying, that it felt that BW invested much more in creating new enemies, rather than developing a story. A full plot of ME3 can be told like this: "We fought Cerberus a lot and then Catalyst gave us piece". I mean, did they really told us more of Reapers' story besides last 10 minutes? Did characters evolve in ME3? Where their any intriguing plot tweasts?

[AlanC9]

Reorte wrote...

Have things progressed? Admittedly my knowledge of current games is pretty limited but I've not seen a really good space fighting sim since TIE Fighter for example. It certainly stands up brilliantly in gameplay.

How about Independence War? 

(I was always more of a Wing Commander fan myself; too many of the X-Wing series missions come across as puzzle boxes for me to really like them)

But the whole genre's pretty much dead except for indie stuff, so
naturally  it's not evolving too much these days.

[Reth Shepherd]

Ozida wrote...

Blueprotoss wrote...
The quality changed in ME2 because action was needed since ME1 covered most of the story.  ME3 later appeared as the finale and actally became a good balance.

I wouldn't call it a "good balance", to be honest. In my opinion, ME3 was much more like a shooter than actuall RPG game. I can hardly remember quests where I could win using just words, not guns. And it's not that I would like ME to be a chatroom for pacifists , but just saying, that it felt that BW invested much more in creating new enemies, rather than developing a story. A full plot of ME3 can be told like this: "We fought Cerberus a lot and then Catalyst gave us piece". I mean, did they really told us more of Reapers' story besides last 10 minutes? Did characters evolve in ME3? Where their any intriguing plot tweasts?

Was it ever explained why Cerberus was suddenly attacking the Alliance? Maybe I've just forgotten, but I honestly can't remember any reason being given.

[AlanC9]

Ozida wrote...
 In my opinion, ME3 was much more like a shooter than actuall RPG game. I can hardly remember quests where I could win using just words, not guns.

Citadel: Hanar Diplomat? All three of Aria's missions? Citadel: Batarian Codes? Citadel: Volus Ambassador? A few more -- not counting, of course, all of the artifact retrievals, which I don't think should be classified as quests.

Modifié par AlanC9, 14 septembre 2012 - 05:45 .

[Blueprotoss]

Reth Shepherd wrote...

Don't bother, Cash. Blue is right. Blue is ALWAYS right. And even if you produce evidence proving him wrong, Blue is somehow still right. (Speaking of which, Blue, you never did respond to the source links to your much-disliked Wiki article. Are you going to claim that the original articles are incorrect, too?)

Ignorance will only cause more ignoarnce, which is what you're doing.

[Blueprotoss]

Ozida wrote...

Blueprotoss wrote...
The quality changed in ME2 because action was needed since ME1 covered most of the story.  ME3 later appeared as the finale and actally became a good balance.

I wouldn't call it a "good balance", to be honest. In my opinion, ME3 was much more like a shooter than actuall RPG game. I can hardly remember quests where I could win using just words, not guns. And it's not that I would like ME to be a chatroom for pacifists , but just saying, that it felt that BW invested much more in creating new enemies, rather than developing a story. A full plot of ME3 can be told like this: "We fought Cerberus a lot and then Catalyst gave us piece". I mean, did they really told us more of Reapers' story besides last 10 minutes? Did characters evolve in ME3? Where their any intriguing plot tweasts?

How was ME3 more of a Shooter when ME2 fulfilled that role.  ME3 is all about the inevitable war that would occur with the Reapers that was told in ME1 and ME has always been an Action RPG.

Reth Shepherd wrote...

Was it ever explained why Cerberus was suddenly attacking the Alliance? Maybe I've just forgotten, but I honestly can't remember any reason being given.

Cerberus has always been against the Alliance since aliens became allies.  Cerberus actually had a lot of missions based around them in ME1 like gene manipulation, very questionable biotic testing, and the kidnapping then executions of Alliance soldiers. 

Modifié par Blueprotoss, 14 septembre 2012 - 05:55 .

[Auztin]

When it comes to this discussion.There is NO FACTS it is all OPINION.Opinions do not turn into facts..

[Cashmoney007]

Some people are going to feel a certain way about ME3 and others will feel different. I will always feel that EA/Bioware did somethings right but a lot of things wrong. At this point, Bioware can only hope they don't make people upset with DA3.

[Ozida]

Reth Shepherd wrote...
Was it ever explained why Cerberus was suddenly attacking the Alliance? Maybe I've just forgotten, but I honestly can't remember any reason being given.

I can't either. I know that Alliance had rough relationships with Cerberus since ME1, but I cannot recall the reason why Cerberus started a real war in ME3. Or why they were on every single planet too.

Blueprotoss wrote...
How was ME3 more of a Shooter when ME2 fulfilled that role. ME3 is all about the inevitable war that would occur with the Reapers that was told in ME1 and ME has always been an Action RPG.

I honestly cannot pull facts right now, because I haven't touched the game since EC and many details now fade. However, I did feel in ME2 that I was progressing with my diplomacy first, and then fists after. In ME3 it was constant shooting. Once again, sorry for not being more specific.

AlanC9 wrote...
Citadel: Hanar Diplomat? All three of Aria's missions? Citadel: Batarian Codes? Citadel: Volus Ambassador? A few more -- not counting, of course, all of the artifact retrievals, which I don't think should be classified as quests.

Hanar Dimplomat gets shot anyway, if I rememeber correctly (we are talking about Kasumi's mission, right?). Batarian codes, I agree, suits the talking. In Volus Ambassador task we shoot enemies too, but they are enemies, I get that. All I am trying to say is that ME3 felt like a long exosting run before the real fight. I shoot a lot of things, talked a little and didn't have much fun. It was not ballanced, that is all I am saying.