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[Reth Shepherd]

Blueprotoss wrote...

Reth Shepherd wrote...

Don't bother, Cash. Blue is right. Blue is ALWAYS right. And even if you produce evidence proving him wrong, Blue is somehow still right. (Speaking of which, Blue, you never did respond to the source links to your much-disliked Wiki article. Are you going to claim that the original articles are incorrect, too?)

Ignorance will only cause more ignoarnce, which is what you're doing.

Name one single time when you've admitted you were wrong. Name one single time when someone has produced evidence showing you to be wrong, and you admitted it. Blue, I'm sorry and I'm not trying to be nasty, but you are a LOUSY debater! Half the time you respond to an imaginary argument instead of what the person actually wrote! And no, I have never seen you alter your argument to accept new facts.

[Blueprotoss]

Reth Shepherd wrote...

Blueprotoss wrote...

Reth Shepherd wrote...

Don't bother, Cash. Blue is right. Blue is ALWAYS right. And even if you produce evidence proving him wrong, Blue is somehow still right. (Speaking of which, Blue, you never did respond to the source links to your much-disliked Wiki article. Are you going to claim that the original articles are incorrect, too?)

Ignorance will only cause more ignoarnce, which is what you're doing.

Name one single time when you've admitted you were wrong. Name one single time when someone has produced evidence showing you to be wrong, and you admitted it. Blue, I'm sorry and I'm not trying to be nasty, but you are a LOUSY debater! Half the time you respond to an imaginary argument instead of what the person actually wrote! And no, I have never seen you alter your argument to accept new facts.

You seem to have missed the coouple of apologies based on misunderstandings, but this the topic of this topic and ignorance is still being spread.  Opinions are opinions and facts are facts.

[Cashmoney007]

I personally like to debate with people as long as things stay calm. But I will always have issues with ME3. I still enjoy the comics though.

[Kamfrenchie]

Xemnas07 wrote...

So now that it's been a while and people have had a chance to cool down, I thought I might take the risk and defend ME3. Now before i start, don't get me wrong, i HATED the endings, theyre absolutely atrocious. But here's the thing; they are not bad endings in and of themselves, they are bad because they were ripped from another game and their logic does NOT belong in the ME universe and thus, creates plot holes and contradictions. But I'm sure if these were another games endings and the game was built around them, like Deus Ex, then no one would have a problem with them. Basically, the problem with the endings lies in the fact that they are unoriginal and DO NOT fit into the ME universe and its themes.

Now, this game does have other flaws; static journal, zaeed style convos, mediocre cameos (besides mordin's) for ME2 squad, the missed potential in making battle assets a useless number, and many others that people have brought up, but what game is without its flaws? Even everyones favorite, ME2 or ME1 had a ton of flaws. As for the auto-dialogue, i dont see the complaint there; they still let you choose the outcome of the convo and make the important decisions when they arose, so personally, i didnt mind the addition of some auto dialogue although, i do agree that the game would have been better without it; it was not a needed change and they could have avoided a lot of hate on that subject had they just left the convo and dialogue system alone.

But once you begin to look past these things, you begin to uncover a masterpiece (ignore the endings). Everything before the endings was simply..... beautiful. Never have i been so immersed in a story, so moved by the scenes and dialogue, so pumped during the action scenes. This game constantly gave me shivers, constantly tugged at my hear with senes like Mordin and Thane's death. And the soundtrack..... one of the most moving and powerful soundtracks ever made. Simply amazing.This was more than just a game to many people, it moved them, made them feel every decision, made them shiver with almost every line that was delivered. It was beautiful.

Was i tremendously disappointed in the endings? Hell yes. Tons of mised potential, but i can now tolerate them with the EC. Im not saying the EC fixes anything, but it allows me to play the game without hating it all because of the last 20 minutes. And now, on my thrid playthrough, i have finally moved on from the endings and fully enjoy the beauty that is the rest of the story. I do not think that any other game in the near future will come close to accomplishing what this game did; making fans fall in love with a story and making them FEEL every bit of emotion that was intended and allow them to actually feel like they are controlling the outcome of this universe.

It is just my opinion, and i know many disagree with me and will bash on me for saying it, but ME3 is undoubtedly (again, except for the endings) one of the best games ever made and one of the best stories ever told. It has earned a spot in my heart for as long as video games will exist.

everything ME3 does Alpha protocol does better, except arguably the comba, neither are that great

[Kamfrenchie]

Reth Shepherd wrote...

Blueprotoss wrote...

Reth Shepherd wrote...

Don't bother, Cash. Blue is right. Blue is ALWAYS right. And even if you produce evidence proving him wrong, Blue is somehow still right. (Speaking of which, Blue, you never did respond to the source links to your much-disliked Wiki article. Are you going to claim that the original articles are incorrect, too?)

Ignorance will only cause more ignoarnce, which is what you're doing.

Name one single time when you've admitted you were wrong. Name one single time when someone has produced evidence showing you to be wrong, and you admitted it. Blue, I'm sorry and I'm not trying to be nasty, but you are a LOUSY debater! Half the time you respond to an imaginary argument instead of what the person actually wrote! And no, I have never seen you alter your argument to accept new facts.

there is no point arguing with blueprotoss

[CronoDragoon]

In reference to something you said earlier, Cashmoney, I don't agree at all that ME3's music all sounds the same. The only two prominent songs that sound somewhat similar are Leaving Earth and An End Once and For All, which was done intentionally since they are the respective beginning and ending of the game with the same remixed melody. The other important songs - "We Stand Together" "Vigil" "A Future For the Krogan" "Rannoch" "I Was Lost Without You" and "I'm Proud of You" all sound very distinct to me. The first and last start out with the same synthesized sound, but We Stand builds to a percussion climax while I'm Proud switches to piano halfway through.

[Reorte]

AlanC9 wrote...

Reorte wrote...

Have things progressed? Admittedly my knowledge of current games is pretty limited but I've not seen a really good space fighting sim since TIE Fighter for example. It certainly stands up brilliantly in gameplay.

How about Independence War? 

(I was always more of a Wing Commander fan myself; too many of the X-Wing series missions come across as puzzle boxes for me to really like them)

But the whole genre's pretty much dead except for indie stuff, so naturally  it's not evolving too much these days.

I'll have to take your word on that, being, as I said, pretty ignorant of current gaming. The point though is that (IMO of course) the gameplay is pretty top-notch, whatever the genre. What little I've seen suggests that gameplay has generally simplified and that's not a completely good thing. The iMuse system for the music was rather impressive too.

[Cashmoney007]

CronoDragoon wrote...

In reference to something you said earlier, Cashmoney, I don't agree at all that ME3's music all sounds the same. The only two prominent songs that sound somewhat similar are Leaving Earth and An End Once and For All, which was done intentionally since they are the respective beginning and ending of the game with the same remixed melody. The other important songs - "We Stand Together" "Vigil" "A Future For the Krogan" "Rannoch" "I Was Lost Without You" and "I'm Proud of You" all sound very distinct to me. The first and last start out with the same synthesized sound, but We Stand builds to a percussion climax while I'm Proud switches to piano halfway through.

I don't think I said anything about the music.  I actually like the music in all the ME series.  

[Bob the Elcor]

With understanding, I get what you mean OP, and on a storyline viewpoint ME3 is very good, we just didn't get what BW said we would, for, if it had been a stand alone with this story and not part of a series it would have been quite popular, however you can't just ignore the endings and look at the rest of the story when the endings are a part of the story, every part is just as important as the other, no matter where it is, with happiness, also same for me, the endings no longer make me cringe since the EC, with slight embarssment, infact I like synthesis with EDI's voiceover but thats it.

[Neizd]

Mass effect 1 and 2 - Great game, heroic sci-fi, not dark sci-fi. We can win against the odds no matter what, and after the game we feel like heroes.
Mass effect 3 - BW changes the rules of trillogy, now you can't win against impossible odds because catalyst starbrat says so. You don't feel that you won at all.

Point is: Bittersweet is okay as long as it's not thrown in you face and forced on you, when in prevorious titles you could avoid it, if you tried.

Modifié par Neizd, 14 septembre 2012 - 06:59 .

[Kamfrenchie]

Reorte wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

Reorte wrote...

Have things progressed? Admittedly my knowledge of current games is pretty limited but I've not seen a really good space fighting sim since TIE Fighter for example. It certainly stands up brilliantly in gameplay.

How about Independence War? 

(I was always more of a Wing Commander fan myself; too many of the X-Wing series missions come across as puzzle boxes for me to really like them)

But the whole genre's pretty much dead except for indie stuff, so naturally  it's not evolving too much these days.

I'll have to take your word on that, being, as I said, pretty ignorant of current gaming. The point though is that (IMO of course) the gameplay is pretty top-notch, whatever the genre. What little I've seen suggests that gameplay has generally simplified and that's not a completely good thing. The iMuse system for the music was rather impressive too.

check oout freespace 2, there is a mod for it called scp, you can ge amazing graphism with it and many user made campaign for free that ar superior to what alot o devs sell as DLC


There is also a free game that came out rcently, wing commander saga

[tonnactus]

Robhuzz wrote...

In my opinion it had some of the series absolute high points like the Tuchanka storyline among others.

Sadly it also had all of the series massive low points. Auto dialogue, fetch quests being the main attraction of the game, all 5 side quests being nothing more than reused multiplayer maps .

I see people still not understand what a sidequest is. Everything that is optional in a game. So Aralakh Company and Grissom Academy are all sidequests. And they didnt used multiplayer maps in those missions.

Modifié par tonnactus, 14 septembre 2012 - 07:28 .

[tonnactus]

Mcfly616 wrote...

SNascimento wrote...

No, that is ME2's title.

you mean that glorified side-story? Lol

And like Mirandas or Garrus loyality mission most of the sidestories are a boring pile of crap. Stories like this add nothing new to the Mass Effect universe.

[saracen16]

I think ME3 is one of the best games if not the best game ever made. It definitely has its moments: touching, epic, action-packed, happy, sad, hopeful, desperate, thought-provoking/philosophical, and memorable. It's got everything, from stellar writing to an excellent soundtrack. It reminds me of other gaming greats that tell awesome stories like Deus Ex and Half-Life 2. Challenging enemies, stunning vistas... Definitely one of the best if not the best...

Modifié par saracen16, 14 septembre 2012 - 07:34 .

[thearbiter1337]

That title is held to Mass Effect 1 and 2
As the endings were good and actually felt like i did **** right

Unlike in Mass Effect 3 were i get slapped in the face for doing what i wanted to do for the past 3 years

Destroy the Reapers

[tonnactus]

Mr.House wrote...

Better then ME2 at least, but no.

Not really an achievement.Even Dragon Age 2 is better then Pokemon in Space.

[cindercatz]

@OP

It's certainly top 20, anyway. I have it #6 on my list of best games this generation right now, the first Mass Effect at #5. I have a running list of currently 38 games on my 360 bio field, as much as I can squeeze in there. The best game ever made imo is Heavy Rain, then FF7 or DA:O.

That's what makes the ending so bad. The game was a near masterpiece right up until the ending (its flaws have been pointed out enough), then you get slapped with a hard, dead, cold fish. If the game wasn't so great up to that point, nobody would care about the ending.

[Siegdrifa]

Not the best game ever made, that for sure. One of the very best game i ever played, that's for sure too.

[Reth Shepherd]

Mcfly616 wrote...

SNascimento wrote...

No, that is ME2's title.

you mean that glorified side-story? Lol

Thanks for the reminder! You just pointed out ANOTHER of ME3's writing flaws! So you'd think that the last part of a trilogy should be built upon the foundations of the two stories that came before it, right? Particularly considering just HOW MUCH story was created in the middle part? Hmm, apparently not. To be fair, ME3 only invalidated most of ME1, while ME2 got both invalidated AND turned into a side-story. *sigh*

[Hydralysk]

Aside from the Rannoch and Tuchanka arcs there really isn't anything worth mentioning. Well the garrus skeet shooting scene was pretty good. Other than that there was nothing that ME2 or 1 didn't do better.

[Taddl]

Yes

[Reap_ii]

no

[Metalunatic]

Hell. No. ME3 had some strong points like the Genophage and Quarian/Geth arcs, but all in all it was pretty mediocre, excepting the ending which was just plain bad.

Too many plot holes and the overall rushed feeling was evident when one paid attention. ME1 and 2 are much better games overall.

Modifié par Metalunatic, 14 septembre 2012 - 08:23 .

[chris2365]

I kinda agree with him. I mean, by no means is ME3 perfect (ending, fetch quests, journal system, etc.), but which Mass Effect game didn't have criticism? Inventory in ME1 was a hassle with that damn 150 omni-gel limit, and the combat was ok at best. ME2 took away most of the RPG elements, and had us do nothing but loyalty and recruitement missions (which was a great experience, but you could only use your entire crew during one mission, the Suicide mission).

I think that the reason why the backlash for ME3 was so much worse than the other 2 was because it was the end of the trilogy. People (including myself) were expecting Mass Effect 3 to be the pinnacle of gaming, the most awesome game EVER (the fact that certain game elements were, um, ''overhyped'' didn't help either). We wanted ME3 to have the best combat, the best RPG elements, etc. We wanted it to up all loose ends, have all story elements explored, etc.

We wanted Bioware to take all of the feedback they had gotten over the past 2 games and turn it into an incarnation of a gaming god (ok, maybe not to that extreme, but you get my point).

Even though Mass Effect 3 wasn't perfect, it didin't ruin the trilogy for me, and I can say that it is of more or less the same quality as it's 2 predecessors.

[Cashmoney007]

cindercatz wrote...

@OP

It's certainly top 20, anyway. I have it #6 on my list of best games this generation right now, the first Mass Effect at #5. I have a running list of currently 38 games on my 360 bio field, as much as I can squeeze in there. The best game ever made imo is Heavy Rain, then FF7 or DA:O.

That's what makes the ending so bad. The game was a near masterpiece right up until the ending (its flaws have been pointed out enough), then you get slapped with a hard, dead, cold fish. If the game wasn't so great up to that point, nobody would care about the ending.

I should put in there FF7 on my list.   My old list from a few pages ago were games that had been complete.  I didn't feel that way about ME3.  Even though games like doom 2 for example or even Duke 3d were old.  They were still great games.  But ME1 and ME2 are amazing games as well.  I feel that Half-Life 2 is one of the best games ever made.

Modifié par Cashmoney007, 14 septembre 2012 - 08:53 .