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[Xemnas07]

Robhuzz wrote...

In my opinion it had some of the series absolute high points like the Tuchanka storyline among others.

Sadly it also had all of the series massive low points. Auto dialogue, fetch quests being the main attraction of the game, all 5 side quests being nothing more than reused multiplayer maps. Not to mention the ridiculous deus ex machina plot, the downright lazy writing, not following up on plot points, decisions from previous games meaning absolutely squat (which was a major point in early advertising to this game) and the atrocity they call an ending. To me it's by far the weakest game in the series.

i can see what youre saying, i have issues with most of things as well

[Xemnas07]

The Mad Hanar wrote...

Xemnas07 wrote...

Red Dust wrote...

Except proclaiming something to be "best" is in and of itself a statement of opinion. Usually a popular or well founded opinion, supported by a consensus of criteria that have been agreed upon to be relevant by the majority.

To say that something is "best" or "greatest" then complain about defending yourself from the majority is asinine.

Mass Effect 3 can be one of your favorite games, inarguably. That is your own personal opinion. However, when you propose something (anything) as "best", period full stop, you should be ready for a real fight.

you are completely right. but what the majority thinks changes. They used to absolutely believe the earth was flat and was the center of the univers. There have also been multiple pieces of literature throughout time that were riduculed as less than literature but are now hailed as masterpieces. Thats all im saying. Maybe a few years from now some new light will be shead onto ME3 and it will be hailed as a masterpiece, maybe it will forever be perceived by the majority as a steaming pile of poo. Who knows.

But the best ever? I can think of Nintendo 64 games that are better than Mass Effect 3.

i never said THE best, indeed, it doesnt deseve that title, But ONE of the best, up there in the top, imo, yes.

[Mcfly616]

Personally, I think ME3 blows ME2 out of the water. And I like ME1 better than both of them(its one of my top 3 favorite games ever)


However, I'm not sure you can take any single game from the ME series and say its one of the "best games ever". Although I do believe one could make the case that the Mass Effect Trilogy, is the "best trilogy ever"

Note: I look at the trilogy as one long game (I mean, with that glorified side-story that is ME2, how could I not?!.......I kid, I kid lol....no, but seriously though.)

Modifié par Mcfly616, 13 septembre 2012 - 07:24 .

[daecath]

Not even close. It was a decent game, maybe even a good game, at least, on its own. The problem is that it isn't on its own. It's a Mass Effect game, part of a series, and has to be considered as part of and in comparison to the rest of the series. And with that criteria, it fails. At best it becomes a meh game, mediocre, bordering on bad. The plot is haphazard, there are numerous inconsistencies between it and the other two games. The side "quests" are an absolute joke. There is a sense of disconnect between the player and the character due to lack of dialog options and infrequent choices. And so on. So no it's by far not one of the best. It's not the worst game I've ever played, but would easily qualify as the most disappointing game I've ever played.

[Xemnas07]

Mcfly616 wrote...

Personally, I think ME3 blows ME2 out of the water. And I like ME1 better than both of them(its one of my top 3 favorite games ever)


However, I'm not sure you can take any single game from the ME series and say its one of the "best games ever". Although I do believe one could make the case that the Mass Effect Trilogy, is the "best trilogy ever"

i believe that fits what im trying to say even more. It seems that people who only played ME3 or ME2 and then 3 did not enjoy it as much seeing as they havent been a part of the story since ME1. ME3 was ablie to hit me so hard cuz ive been immersed in it since ME1

[JBPBRC]

Xemnas07 wrote...
It seems that people who only played ME3 or ME2 and then 3 did not enjoy it as much seeing as they havent been a part of the story since ME1. ME3 was ablie to hit me so hard cuz ive been immersed in it since ME1

But...ME3 is the best place to start for newcomers!

[mumba]

Xemnas07 wrote...

Mumba1511 wrote...

 

see above comment where i repsonded to the laughing youtube video. I cant say you guys are bias, cuz im being bias in staing this opinion, but you are being narrow minded. letting your anger with the endings and small flaws affect your judgement, causing you to ignore waht they did RIGHT. But think about it this way, would you still be on the forums if this game was just a pos?

I don't even consider ME3 a bad game because of the ending's. It's overall plot doesn't make any sense and it's a waste of bloody potential. The only step forward Bioware took was with the combat. And I don't even care about it. Compared to ME and ME2, ME3 is garbage.

[Xemnas07]

JBPBRC wrote...

Xemnas07 wrote...
It seems that people who only played ME3 or ME2 and then 3 did not enjoy it as much seeing as they havent been a part of the story since ME1. ME3 was ablie to hit me so hard cuz ive been immersed in it since ME1

But...ME3 is the best place to start for newcomers!

now THAT i will laugh at, lol

[HiddenInWar]

One the best? Ever? It's certainly outstanding and ME is one of the best series ever, but good sir, the Legend of Zelda.

[Gemini1179]

The terrible Journal, the evesdropping 'fetch' quests, the lack of creative levels; hubs; items for purchase; the poor 'weapon customization'; the generic combat.

The story just has so many problems from the get-go, nevermind the ending foolishness. It's a bloody game, give us at least a final boss fight that is challenging an has multiple stages- that would AT LEAST make DLC worth it if you can get new weapons and armour to HELP you in that final battle... but I digress.

I honestly have no desire to play ME3 any more at all. Rannoch was good, not great. Tuchanka was ok, mostly because of the character moments. Getting EDI and Joker together was fun. But that was pretty much it for me.

ME1 is always a thoroughly enjoyable experience even if the combat mechanics are incredibly poor.

ME2 is an overall enjoyable experience because the combat mechanics are enjoyable, the characters are fantastic and the music (well, accross all 3 games, honestly) is amazing, even if the plot is more that of a large expansion rather than an actual continuation of the overarching plot.

In my opinion, ME3 is not a 'good' game. It is actually a very poorly put together game that reflects poorly on the quality of resources in the game itself.

To each their own.

[EricHVela]

(All personal opinion)
In answering the topic: No. Not the best.

That should not be taken to imply it is the worst. It is not the worst.

[Robhuzz]

Xemnas07 wrote...

Robhuzz wrote...

In my opinion it had some of the series absolute high points like the Tuchanka storyline among others.

Sadly it also had all of the series massive low points. Auto dialogue, fetch quests being the main attraction of the game, all 5 side quests being nothing more than reused multiplayer maps. Not to mention the ridiculous deus ex machina plot, the downright lazy writing, not following up on plot points, decisions from previous games meaning absolutely squat (which was a major point in early advertising to this game) and the atrocity they call an ending. To me it's by far the weakest game in the series.

i can see what youre saying, i have issues with most of things as well

I'd like to add to this:

I'm still willing to listen to people seriously trying to disprove these points and change my opinion. Sadly not even BioWare themselves have made ANY serious effort to defend their game. The writing is on the wall here. No one. Not a single writer or developer from BioWare has come out to defend their descisions, their reasoning behind certain plot points... Casey and Mac were leashed, released PR statements in line with Ray's statement that was no doubt supervised by EA and contained nothing but the 'artistic integrity' argument.

When not one of the developers tries to dismiss these points and provide insight or counter arguments, what are we to think? All of this just says that ME3 was rushed, it was the weakest game in the series and it wasn't what it was meant to be by far, and even BioWare agrees with this.

[Xemnas07]

Robhuzz wrote...

Xemnas07 wrote...

Robhuzz wrote...

In my opinion it had some of the series absolute high points like the Tuchanka storyline among others.

Sadly it also had all of the series massive low points. Auto dialogue, fetch quests being the main attraction of the game, all 5 side quests being nothing more than reused multiplayer maps. Not to mention the ridiculous deus ex machina plot, the downright lazy writing, not following up on plot points, decisions from previous games meaning absolutely squat (which was a major point in early advertising to this game) and the atrocity they call an ending. To me it's by far the weakest game in the series.

i can see what youre saying, i have issues with most of things as well

I'd like to add to this:

I'm still willing to listen to people seriously trying to disprove these points and change my opinion. Sadly not even BioWare themselves have made ANY serious effort to defend their game. The writing is on the wall here. No one. Not a single writer or developer from BioWare has come out to defend their descisions, their reasoning behind certain plot points... Casey and Mac were leashed, released PR statements in line with Ray's statement that was no doubt supervised by EA and contained nothing but the 'artistic integrity' argument.

When not one of the developers tries to dismiss these points and provide insight or counter arguments, what are we to think? All of this just says that ME3 was rushed, it was the weakest game in the series and it wasn't what it was meant to be by far, and even BioWare agrees with this.

read this http://social.biowar.../index/13215410

i argue in a lot more detail there

[Baa Baa]

No.
It's a good game if you can somehow manage to get past the stupidity of the plot, glitches, fetch quests (I actually don't mind playing them, but don't think they suit Mass Effect), and auto dialogue.
But even before I beat the game on my first play through and was going through that "WOW" phase, I didn't consider it near one of the best games ever.
Witcher 2, Deus Ex HR, Assassin's Creed 2, Mass Effect 1, Red Dead Redemption, Halo 1, and Max Payne 2 would be the ones I'd place there though.

[Robhuzz]

Xemnas07 wrote...

Robhuzz wrote...

Xemnas07 wrote...

Robhuzz wrote...

In my opinion it had some of the series absolute high points like the Tuchanka storyline among others.

Sadly it also had all of the series massive low points. Auto dialogue, fetch quests being the main attraction of the game, all 5 side quests being nothing more than reused multiplayer maps. Not to mention the ridiculous deus ex machina plot, the downright lazy writing, not following up on plot points, decisions from previous games meaning absolutely squat (which was a major point in early advertising to this game) and the atrocity they call an ending. To me it's by far the weakest game in the series.

i can see what youre saying, i have issues with most of things as well

I'd like to add to this:

I'm still willing to listen to people seriously trying to disprove these points and change my opinion. Sadly not even BioWare themselves have made ANY serious effort to defend their game. The writing is on the wall here. No one. Not a single writer or developer from BioWare has come out to defend their descisions, their reasoning behind certain plot points... Casey and Mac were leashed, released PR statements in line with Ray's statement that was no doubt supervised by EA and contained nothing but the 'artistic integrity' argument.

When not one of the developers tries to dismiss these points and provide insight or counter arguments, what are we to think? All of this just says that ME3 was rushed, it was the weakest game in the series and it wasn't what it was meant to be by far, and even BioWare agrees with this.

read this http://social.biowar.../index/13215410

i argue in a lot more detail there

You make a fair point in that post and you provided the answer as well: ME2's ending was (imo) amazing. Because it is the last thing you see in ME2, your feelings about the ending are projected onto the entire game. You focus on the good points and the bad points seem distant.

In ME3 things were reversed, the ending was ****** poor and it was with this feeling that people started to think about ME3. This time focussing mostly on the negative points while making good points seem distant.

I agree that many ME3 aspects that receive a lot of hate also were in ME2, but like most people, when thinking back to each ME game seperately, I look back on ME1 and ME2 fondly. ME3 far less so.

[robertm2]

or at least i hope it was. me3 by bioware standards was a hot mess. compared to games in general its pretty good but as an ending to what was supposed to be the greatest video game trilogy of all time it just plain sucked. had it been the first game in the series i think people would have loved it but bioware set the bar with me2 and then crawled underneath it for me3.

Modifié par robertm2, 13 septembre 2012 - 07:39 .

[coldwetn0se]

Whether it is problems with the common lists of complaints or not, even what you may like might be an actual "flaw" to someone else. As you could guess from my signature, I was a Thane fan, and despised how his small bit was written. Kai Leng's involvement made me balk. His involvement was one of the reasons I couldn't finish the game. Yet you saw that as a good part. This is not a dig on you, since there is nothing wrong with liking different things, but it doesn't change the fact that there can be a plethora of reasons why some will not/cannot like or love this game.

I think it is actually a good thing, you got your monies worth, and I can assure you, you do not need to justify why you liked (loved) the game. I don't begrudge anyone who likes this game. Still doesn't change that others do not.

[Klijpope]

ME3 has some of the best moments in gaming. It just doesn't flow as well as the previous two. But I've never been more emotionally involved in individual scenes, before. If there had been some (lots) more side missions to space out the plot, it may have not felt so choppy. ME3 got a lot right, before tailing off right toward the end - just feels like there's something missing from it....

[Massa FX]

I enjoyed the game until the ending. Emotionally it drew me in at the start with Shepard in detention. What?!

Thessia failure.
Squadmate deaths.
Reading about mass genocide to avoid Reapers....
Earth taking a lickin.
The doomed to fail forshadowing

But I had hope... to only ultimately face a no win scenario.

Not my favorite ending.

[OzzyJack]

I keep hearing about 75 perfect scores, but who gave these perfect scores? Anyone know? As I'm genuinely curious about this statement.

I know that ME3 scored well in nearly, if not all the reviews I've read, but never have I come across a perfect i.e. 10/10 score.

Also, ME3 is for me a very much the weak link in the trilogy and no more than a 7/10 IMO, but to each their own.

[Hrothdane]

It's a good game in many respects, but there are enough games that don't have the massive problems of ME3 that I can't say it is one of the best.

[Robhuzz]

OzzyJack wrote...

I keep hearing about 75 perfect scores, but who gave these perfect scores? Anyone know? As I'm genuinely curious about this statement.

I know that ME3 scored well in nearly, if not all the reviews I've read, but never have I come across a perfect i.e. 10/10 score.

Also, ME3 is for me a very much the weak link in the trilogy and no more than a 7/10 IMO, but to each their own.

Basically those who gave the perfect scores were 'professional' reviewers, most of whom only play a few hours of the game and none of them even covered the ending. Most of these people review dozens of games a week and are not really immersed into the story either. Also many 'professional' reviewers aren't really objective as many of the companies they work for get money from publishers for commercials and stuff so they are 'persuaded' to give a (much) higher grade than a game actually deserves.

Modifié par Robhuzz, 13 septembre 2012 - 08:01 .

[Mcfly616]

OzzyJack wrote...

I keep hearing about 75 perfect scores, but who gave these perfect scores? Anyone know? As I'm genuinely curious about this statement.

I know that ME3 scored well in nearly, if not all the reviews I've read, but never have I come across a perfect i.e. 10/10 score.

Also, ME3 is for me a very much the weak link in the trilogy and no more than a 7/10 IMO, but to each their own.

Game Informer was one of the publications to give it a perfect 10.

Before you go ahead and bash them for being a mainstream publication, you should know they rarely ever give out perfect scores....

They've only given out 2 in the last year, and ME3 was one of them

[SNascimento]

No, that is ME2's title.