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[StElmo]

Just started playing DA2 again, and hawkes female character is dressed awesome. The armor isn't full of unrealistic breast plates and dumb cleavage. Can't remember if the game stays this awesome, or gets worse, but it's a good start.

I am a straight dude, but I like to think the characters in a game are somewhat believable. Even in stylized games like DA and Mass Effect.

 - The mass effect team made the worst mistake by upping the sex appeal of various female characters with bigger cup size and heavy makeup. It literally makes me feel ill when you compare how gorgeous and natural the characters like ash and liara were in the first game.

Funnily enough, the sex was toned down in ME3 - which begs the question - are the devs seriously aiming for a teen audience or an adult audience? The latter will take you seriously as storytellers, the former will not.

Not only does this (sexualization) push stereotypes and feels cheap (with both male AND female characters), it creates a barrier for customers like me who have zero interest in sexualized characters as it absolutely kills immersion.

[cJohnOne]

I personallyl like the sexalized parts but not really because I think characterization is more important. I go for those voom voom girls.

Your point is probably right Femhawke lookes nice and functional.

[StElmo]

cJohnOne wrote...

I personallyl like the sexalized parts but not really because I think characterization is more important. I go for those voom voom girls.

Your point is probably right Femhawke lookes nice and functional.

Indeed, it's also about treating your audience like an adult and not stupid teenagers.

[Cultist]

Ah, yes, Kirkwall, where ancient magic affected population so much that every female have D-size breasts...even old ledies cannot escape this affliction.
Changing that will go against...let's say BioWare's vision of new target audience.

Modifié par Cultist, 14 septembre 2012 - 06:43 .

[EpicBoot2daFace]

So... what exactly are you asking for? I don't want all the women in the game to look ugly.

[StElmo]

EpicBoot2daFace wrote...

So... what exactly are you asking for? I don't want all the women in the game to look ugly.

I didn't say ugly, I said natural. Liara is not ugly in ME1, Ash is not ugly in ME1 - was your femhawke "ugly"? in DA2 in that default armor? Is Leliana ugly in her chantry armor?

No.

No one is asking for ugly, what I am asking for is for non-exploitative beauty within the context of the story. Cleavage and boob shaped armor has zero context other then to exploit the sex appeal of the female form. This simply lowers the bar and gives your audience the impression of shallowness rather then depth or character.

Modifié par StElmo, 14 septembre 2012 - 07:12 .

[GodWood]

I'd rather sexualisation be context appropriate.

In battle? Not appropriate.
Sex scene? Appropriate.

[EpicBoot2daFace]

StElmo wrote...

EpicBoot2daFace wrote...

So... what exactly are you asking for? I don't want all the women in the game to look ugly.

I didn't say ugly, I said natural. Liara is not ugly in ME1, Ash is not ugly in ME1 - was your femhawke "ugly"? in DA2 in that default armor? Is Leliana ugly in her chantry armor?

No.

No one is asking for ugly, what I am asking for is for non-exploitative beauty within the context of the story. Cleavage and boob shaped armor has zero context other then to exploit the sex appeal of the female form. This simply lowers the bar and gives your audience the impression of shallowness rather then depth or character.

You assume their audience feels the same way you do. The fact of the matter is, the majority of their audience are teenagers. Now, think about that for a minute and draw some conclusions.

[Plaintiff]

EpicBoot2daFace wrote...
the majority of their audience are teenagers

Source? According to the Entertainment Software Association, the average gamer is thirty years old.

http://www.theesa.co.../gameplayer.asp

Modifié par Plaintiff, 14 septembre 2012 - 08:00 .

[EpicBoot2daFace]

Plaintiff wrote...

EpicBoot2daFace wrote...
the majority of their audience are teenagers

Source? According to the Entertainment Software Association, the average gamer is thirty years old.

http://www.theesa.co.../gameplayer.asp

Maybe the average gamer, but I tend to think teens play games more than adults. Call me crazy.

[Plaintiff]

EpicBoot2daFace wrote...

Plaintiff wrote...

EpicBoot2daFace wrote...
the majority of their audience are teenagers

Source? According to the Entertainment Software Association, the average gamer is thirty years old.

http://www.theesa.co.../gameplayer.asp

Maybe the average gamer, but I tend to think teens play games more than adults. Call me crazy.

Could be, but "teen" is a broad category, you're a "teen" for almost a decade of your life. Maturity is a gradual process, there's no magical dividing line.

Also, according to the statistics, 47% of gamers are women, and they might not appreciate the fact that the majority of female characters in games tend to be objectified.

Modifié par Plaintiff, 14 septembre 2012 - 08:11 .

[Kaiser Arian XVII]

ME2 can be a good standard/paradigm how to handle this matter.

[EpicBoot2daFace]

Plaintiff wrote...

EpicBoot2daFace wrote...

Plaintiff wrote...

EpicBoot2daFace wrote...
the majority of their audience are teenagers

Source? According to the Entertainment Software Association, the average gamer is thirty years old.

http://www.theesa.co.../gameplayer.asp

Maybe the average gamer, but I tend to think teens play games more than adults. Call me crazy.

Could be, but "teen" is a broad category, you're a "teen" for almost a decade of your life. Maturity is a gradual process, there's no magical dividing line.

Also, accoridng to the statistics, 47% of gamers are women, and they might not appreciate the fact that the majority of female characters in games tend to be objectified.

Despite the statistics, they almost always target the male audience. It may be a subconcious thing, but straight males are more likely to look at a game with more interest if sexy women are involved. Hollywood does the same thing.

Modifié par EpicBoot2daFace, 14 septembre 2012 - 08:15 .

[N7 ElusiveOne]

Bioware tends to create a small amount of body types and give every single person of that race the same body. So if the women of Kirkwall have giant breasts it's because only one body type is used for all grown women. In Mass Effect 1 if I recall, every single female in the game had the exact same body, which lacked boobs. So Liara wasn't small chested because it was the look they wanted for her, it was because Bioware cuts corners all day long (no offense). Liara is bigger now because Ashley is as well, as they pick a body and run with it.

If they must use one body to allow for more efficient development then id rather slightly larger breasts than smaller.

Modifié par ElusiveOneN7, 14 septembre 2012 - 08:30 .

[Plaintiff]

EpicBoot2daFace wrote...

Plaintiff wrote...

EpicBoot2daFace wrote...

Plaintiff wrote...

EpicBoot2daFace wrote...
the majority of their audience are teenagers

Source? According to the Entertainment Software Association, the average gamer is thirty years old.

http://www.theesa.co.../gameplayer.asp

Maybe the average gamer, but I tend to think teens play games more than adults. Call me crazy.

Could be, but "teen" is a broad category, you're a "teen" for almost a decade of your life. Maturity is a gradual process, there's no magical dividing line.

Also, accoridng to the statistics, 47% of gamers are women, and they might not appreciate the fact that the majority of female characters in games tend to be objectified.

Despite the statistics, they almost always target the male audience. It may be a subconcious thing, but straight males are more likely to look at a game with more interest if sexy women are involved. Hollywood does the same thing.

Well, I understand why it occurs, but it's something that I think needs to change. The gaming industry and comunity can be so exclusionary, and Bioware is one of the few exceptions. I don't think we really need to worry about them backsliding, but the only way to effect further change is by discussing the issue.

[Lotion Soronarr]

[billy the squid]

mayrabgood wrote...


 

I don't think there's anything wrong with characters being sexualized. BioWare knows how to write great characters and if their boobs are showing too much, who cares...well at least I don't. 

I see a discussion about boobs in DA2 and ME3 coming up. This should be good

[Jarl Johnnie Walker]

mayrabgood wrote...

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I don't think there's anything wrong with characters being sexualized. BioWare knows how to write great characters and if their boobs are showing too much, who cares...well at least I don't. 

What about boobs double wrapped in bacon!?

[Allan Schumacher]

It's perfectly valid for someone to haev the perspectiev that they would NOT want to see overly sexualized characters.

For those asking "who cares?" my answer would be "Those that are asking for it to not happen."

[Allan Schumacher]

So Liara wasn't small chested because it was the look they wanted for her, it was because Bioware cuts corners all day long (no offense).

Just to be clear, can you understand why a decision like this was made?

[Linksys17]

Everything is better with bacon

[Jarl Johnnie Walker]

mayrabgood wrote...

Garrus calibrations wrote...

mayrabgood wrote...

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I don't think there's anything wrong with characters being sexualized. BioWare knows how to write great characters and if their boobs are showing too much, who cares...well at least I don't. 

What about boobs double wrapped in bacon!?

Even better.  Bacon is good :happy: 

Yus! Bacon boobs will prevail. Hmmm!
Oh my god... What if, now bear with me...
What if boobs double wrapped in bacon with an exotic sports car on the side?

[Linksys17]

@Garrus Callibrations is your profile image a pic of yourself?