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[Yajuu Omoi]

reevoluti0n wrote...

Yajuu Omoi wrote...

AsheraII wrote...
you're underestimating high end PC's.

Apparently you don't even know what is in an XBox 360

Lets see:
Ram: 1G 2x512
Processor: Xenon Custom Triple Core, 1MB L2
Video: Xenos, 256-MB

For PCs:
Ram: 1G 2x512
Processor: Pentium 4 660, 512KB L2
Video: GForce, 256-MB

Hmm...well, look at THAT. THe XBox actually beats out one of the highest end PCs available at the time...barely though, but it doubles the processing power of one of the most powerful PCs available...

Underestimating high ends PCs am I?

To Yajuu Omoi:
I've just read all of your posts on this thread and noticed that you claimed to 'work on PCs' in some manner in an attempt to declare yourself as some sort of authority to the less technically inclined folks looking for legitimate answers to this issue.  If you truly do 'work on PCs' doing anything more advanced than standard Data Entry, then you should look for a new line of work.

I don't understand the seemingly intentional misleading you've done throughout this thread to go out of your way to put-down PCs and the gamers that choose them

Also, for the record - My entire career, spanning 15 years, has been in IT/Network Administration/Programming/Development - my gaming platform of choice is the Playstation 3 (you can verify via my manifest).  I have no bias towards one or the other.

I'm not misleading anyone. And I'm not telling anyone to NOT use a PC for gaming.
I'm proving that the XBox 360 not actually on equal grounds with PCs of its age.

The stupid platform war everyone (including myself) is caught up in is annoying.

I have never ONCE said that someone is lower than anyone for choosing a certain platform to game on. I have presented FACTS about the hardware and software of the PC and XBox 360,.

Everytime someone says to me that PCs are the "Master Race" I have proven them wrong, I have not even attempted to say that the 360 is better, simply that it does its job perfectly and that a PC was made to do more than just gaming and thusly its capabilities are more spread out.

If you truely wish to attack me go for it, you won't get far. You may enjoy it, you may not, I don't care. But I will not allow you to sit there and degrade me and attempt to make me a fool.

As far as the PS3 goes, I could care less, I own a PS2 and I'm happy with it, there are very few games that are exclusive to the PS3 that I would play and that does not warrant buying one. Thats it. A personal choice.
I don't know the specs of a PS3 at this moment and I don't care to, if they are better or worse than an XBox, great, I still don't want one.

[Beelzebubs]

Yajuu Omoi wrote...

One tip about computer vs consoles...hardware will NEVER win for the PC side.
I have a 7 year old XBox 360, and it will ALWAYS play any game better than a 7 year old PC. Period.
A 7 year old PC would NOT be able to play ME3 without multiple upgrades.
Yes, computers NOW are far better than the XBox is. But you must compare things that are alike to have an accurate idea of the difference.

XBox 360 Requrements to play ME3...anything it needs...it already HAD 7 years ago.

PC Requirements for ME3:
OS - Windows XP SP3/Vista SP1, Win 7 - earliest release date is April 14, 2008, a few years too late (-1 for PCs)
CPU: 1.8 GHz Intel Core 2 Duo (equivalent AMD CPU) -
RAM: 1GB for XP / 2GB RAM for Vista/Win 7
Disc Drive: 1x speed
Hard Drive: 2.5 GB of free space
Video: 256 MB* (with Pixel Shader 3.0 support)
*Supported
chipsets: NVIDIA 7900 or better; ATI X1800 or better. Please note that
NVIDIA GeForce 9300, 8500, 8400, and 8300 are below minimum system
requirements, as are AMD/ATI Radeon HD3200, HD3300, and HD4350. Updates to your video and sound card drivers may be required. (POSSIBLE -2 for PCs)
Sound: DirectX 9.0c compatible
DirectX: DirectX 9.0c August 2009 (included) 

ANd there you have it...XBox 360 >> Equaly timed PC. (Custom or not)

And thats just from the system requirements of a not very taxing game... 

Just to attempt to quell the insuing flame...Custom PCs NOW >>>>>> XBox 360


Edit: and for all that it DOESN'T matter... XBox 360 >>>>> PS3

And to answer your question about replacing parts...by the time that ANY part of a console goes out...the next system has long since been released.
My N64 is still playing games like it just came out of the box, so was my Gamecube till I sold it.
On a PC however, if you burn out your sound/video card because you overtaxed it (which is easy to do IF you don't know what you are doing) you have to spend $20+ to get a baseline one, or $100+ to get a high end one (though that isn't needed for these level of games, a $20 card will do)

so your arguement about price just became invalid...PCs are always more expensive to maintain than a console...since a console costs $0.00 to do so. Even a $1 ANYTHING for your PC would be more expensive.

And here I shall list the reasons you talk utter bollocks.


PC Requirements for ME3:
OS - Windows XP SP3/Vista SP1, Win 7 - If you're playing the game now, and assuming you had XP SP3 would have been released as a free update
CPU: 1.8 GHz Intel Core 2 Duo (equivalent AMD CPU) - Athlon X2 processors available in 2005.
RAM: 1GB for XP / 2GB RAM for Vista/Win 7 - check
Disc Drive: 1x speed - check
Hard Drive: 2.5 GB of free space - check
Video: 256 MB* (with Pixel Shader 3.0 support)
*Supported
chipsets: NVIDIA 7900 or better; ATI X1800 or better. Please note that
NVIDIA GeForce 9300, 8500, 8400, and 8300 are below minimum system
requirements, as are AMD/ATI Radeon HD3200, HD3300, and HD4350. - I had 2 Radeon X1800XT in 2005 even though a single one ran fine (still have one in a frankenstein PC as for drivers, we're back to the fact that those are free and we're playing the game today so no issue)
Sound: DirectX 9.0c compatible - check
DirectX: DirectX 9.0c August 2009 (included) - check

ANd there you have it...XBox 360 >> Equaly timed PC. (Custom or not) - Um no you don't

And to answer your question about replacing parts...by the time that ANY
part of a console goes out...the next system has long since been
released. - What's a red ring of doom?

Modifié par Beelzebubs, 15 septembre 2012 - 07:08 .

[Yajuu Omoi]

Beelzebubs wrote...

Yajuu Omoi wrote...

One tip about computer vs consoles...hardware will NEVER win for the PC side.
I have a 7 year old XBox 360, and it will ALWAYS play any game better than a 7 year old PC. Period.
A 7 year old PC would NOT be able to play ME3 without multiple upgrades.
Yes, computers NOW are far better than the XBox is. But you must compare things that are alike to have an accurate idea of the difference.

XBox 360 Requrements to play ME3...anything it needs...it already HAD 7 years ago.

PC Requirements for ME3:
OS - Windows XP SP3/Vista SP1, Win 7 - earliest release date is April 14, 2008, a few years too late (-1 for PCs)
CPU: 1.8 GHz Intel Core 2 Duo (equivalent AMD CPU) -
RAM: 1GB for XP / 2GB RAM for Vista/Win 7
Disc Drive: 1x speed
Hard Drive: 2.5 GB of free space
Video: 256 MB* (with Pixel Shader 3.0 support)
*Supported
chipsets: NVIDIA 7900 or better; ATI X1800 or better. Please note that
NVIDIA GeForce 9300, 8500, 8400, and 8300 are below minimum system
requirements, as are AMD/ATI Radeon HD3200, HD3300, and HD4350. Updates to your video and sound card drivers may be required. (POSSIBLE -2 for PCs)
Sound: DirectX 9.0c compatible
DirectX: DirectX 9.0c August 2009 (included) 

ANd there you have it...XBox 360 >> Equaly timed PC. (Custom or not)

And thats just from the system requirements of a not very taxing game... 

Just to attempt to quell the insuing flame...Custom PCs NOW >>>>>> XBox 360


Edit: and for all that it DOESN'T matter... XBox 360 >>>>> PS3

And to answer your question about replacing parts...by the time that ANY part of a console goes out...the next system has long since been released.
My N64 is still playing games like it just came out of the box, so was my Gamecube till I sold it.
On a PC however, if you burn out your sound/video card because you overtaxed it (which is easy to do IF you don't know what you are doing) you have to spend $20+ to get a baseline one, or $100+ to get a high end one (though that isn't needed for these level of games, a $20 card will do)

so your arguement about price just became invalid...PCs are always more expensive to maintain than a console...since a console costs $0.00 to do so. Even a $1 ANYTHING for your PC would be more expensive.

And here I shall list the reasons you talk utter bollocks.


PC Requirements for ME3:
OS - Windows XP SP3/Vista SP1, Win 7 - If you're playing the game now, and assuming you had XP SP3 would have been released as a free update
CPU: 1.8 GHz Intel Core 2 Duo (equivalent AMD CPU) - Athlon X2 processors available in 2005.
RAM: 1GB for XP / 2GB RAM for Vista/Win 7 - check
Disc Drive: 1x speed - check
Hard Drive: 2.5 GB of free space - check
Video: 256 MB* (with Pixel Shader 3.0 support)
*Supported
chipsets: NVIDIA 7900 or better; ATI X1800 or better. Please note that
NVIDIA GeForce 9300, 8500, 8400, and 8300 are below minimum system
requirements, as are AMD/ATI Radeon HD3200, HD3300, and HD4350. - I had 2 Radeon X1800XT in 2005 even though a single one ran fine (still have one in a frankenstein PC as for drivers, we're back to the fact that those are free and we're playing the game today so no issue)
Sound: DirectX 9.0c compatible - check
DirectX: DirectX 9.0c August 2009 (included) - check

ANd there you have it...XBox 360 >> Equaly timed PC. (Custom or not) - Um no you don't

And to answer your question about replacing parts...by the time that ANY
part of a console goes out...the next system has long since been
released. - What's a red ring of doom?

Lets see...since the SP3 update wasn't in existance in 2005, you would NOT be able to run this level of game, the XBox was pre-set to run it. and all the other ones you said "check" to...I didn't say anything about them because I didn't need to, they were already around.
and I said MAYBE another -1 for PCs, depending on if you had the correct drivers pre-installed and the correct cards.

So, the XBox 360 >>> a high end Gmaing PC of 2005, simply due to the fact that the needed software didn't exist.
I already went into detail and showed that the 360s hardware was just BARELY better than a high end PC of 2005, and the margin was soo slim they may as well be considered equal for hardware.

The software didn't exist for PCs, but the XBox was created FOR it, to last this long without the need for upgraded parts and drivers and etc. That was the point.
I never said PCs were bad, simply that they are NOT a "Master Race"

[Beelzebubs]

Yajuu Omoi wrote...

Apparently you don't even know what is in an XBox 360

Lets see:
Ram: 1G 2x512
Processor: Xenon Custom Triple Core, 1MB L2
Video: Xenos, 256-MB

For PCs:
Ram: 1G 2x512
Processor: Pentium 4 660, 512KB L2
Video: GForce, 256-MB

Hmm...well, look at THAT. THe XBox actually beats out one of the highest end PCs available at the time...barely though, but it doubles the processing power of one of the most powerful PCs available...

Underestimating high ends PCs am I?

Sorry for the double post but you really have no bloody clue about high end PC's back in the day.....

[Beelzebubs]

Yajuu Omoi wrote...

Beelzebubs wrote...

Yajuu Omoi wrote...

One tip about computer vs consoles...hardware will NEVER win for the PC side.
I have a 7 year old XBox 360, and it will ALWAYS play any game better than a 7 year old PC. Period.
A 7 year old PC would NOT be able to play ME3 without multiple upgrades.
Yes, computers NOW are far better than the XBox is. But you must compare things that are alike to have an accurate idea of the difference.

XBox 360 Requrements to play ME3...anything it needs...it already HAD 7 years ago.

PC Requirements for ME3:
OS - Windows XP SP3/Vista SP1, Win 7 - earliest release date is April 14, 2008, a few years too late (-1 for PCs)
CPU: 1.8 GHz Intel Core 2 Duo (equivalent AMD CPU) -
RAM: 1GB for XP / 2GB RAM for Vista/Win 7
Disc Drive: 1x speed
Hard Drive: 2.5 GB of free space
Video: 256 MB* (with Pixel Shader 3.0 support)
*Supported
chipsets: NVIDIA 7900 or better; ATI X1800 or better. Please note that
NVIDIA GeForce 9300, 8500, 8400, and 8300 are below minimum system
requirements, as are AMD/ATI Radeon HD3200, HD3300, and HD4350. Updates to your video and sound card drivers may be required. (POSSIBLE -2 for PCs)
Sound: DirectX 9.0c compatible
DirectX: DirectX 9.0c August 2009 (included) 

ANd there you have it...XBox 360 >> Equaly timed PC. (Custom or not)

And thats just from the system requirements of a not very taxing game... 

Just to attempt to quell the insuing flame...Custom PCs NOW >>>>>> XBox 360


Edit: and for all that it DOESN'T matter... XBox 360 >>>>> PS3

And to answer your question about replacing parts...by the time that ANY part of a console goes out...the next system has long since been released.
My N64 is still playing games like it just came out of the box, so was my Gamecube till I sold it.
On a PC however, if you burn out your sound/video card because you overtaxed it (which is easy to do IF you don't know what you are doing) you have to spend $20+ to get a baseline one, or $100+ to get a high end one (though that isn't needed for these level of games, a $20 card will do)

so your arguement about price just became invalid...PCs are always more expensive to maintain than a console...since a console costs $0.00 to do so. Even a $1 ANYTHING for your PC would be more expensive.

And here I shall list the reasons you talk utter bollocks.


PC Requirements for ME3:
OS - Windows XP SP3/Vista SP1, Win 7 - If you're playing the game now, and assuming you had XP SP3 would have been released as a free update
CPU: 1.8 GHz Intel Core 2 Duo (equivalent AMD CPU) - Athlon X2 processors available in 2005.
RAM: 1GB for XP / 2GB RAM for Vista/Win 7 - check
Disc Drive: 1x speed - check
Hard Drive: 2.5 GB of free space - check
Video: 256 MB* (with Pixel Shader 3.0 support)
*Supported
chipsets: NVIDIA 7900 or better; ATI X1800 or better. Please note that
NVIDIA GeForce 9300, 8500, 8400, and 8300 are below minimum system
requirements, as are AMD/ATI Radeon HD3200, HD3300, and HD4350. - I had 2 Radeon X1800XT in 2005 even though a single one ran fine (still have one in a frankenstein PC as for drivers, we're back to the fact that those are free and we're playing the game today so no issue)
Sound: DirectX 9.0c compatible - check
DirectX: DirectX 9.0c August 2009 (included) - check

ANd there you have it...XBox 360 >> Equaly timed PC. (Custom or not) - Um no you don't

And to answer your question about replacing parts...by the time that ANY
part of a console goes out...the next system has long since been
released. - What's a red ring of doom?

Lets see...since the SP3 update wasn't in existance in 2005, you would NOT be able to run this level of game, the XBox was pre-set to run it. and all the other ones you said "check" to...I didn't say anything about them because I didn't need to, they were already around.
and I said MAYBE another -1 for PCs, depending on if you had the correct drivers pre-installed and the correct cards.

So, the XBox 360 >>> a high end Gmaing PC of 2005, simply due to the fact that the needed software didn't exist.
I already went into detail and showed that the 360s hardware was just BARELY better than a high end PC of 2005, and the margin was soo slim they may as well be considered equal for hardware.

The software didn't exist for PCs, but the XBox was created FOR it, to last this long without the need for upgraded parts and drivers and etc. That was the point.
I never said PCs were bad, simply that they are NOT a "Master Race"

And what you posted was nothing like a high end PC of 2005 XBox would not have been able to run Mass Effect 3 in 2005 because of the amount of work since then to refine engines to squeeze out the best they can from it which can be said for both XBox 360's and PC's. They didn't have the technical knowledge at the time.

You also seem to believe the XBox 360 hasn't had any firmware upgrades since 2005.

Modifié par Beelzebubs, 15 septembre 2012 - 07:21 .

[Yajuu Omoi]

Beelzebubs wrote...

Yajuu Omoi wrote...

Apparently you don't even know what is in an XBox 360

Lets see:
Ram: 1G 2x512
Processor: Xenon Custom Triple Core, 1MB L2
Video: Xenos, 256-MB

For PCs:
Ram: 1G 2x512
Processor: Pentium 4 660, 512KB L2
Video: GForce, 256-MB

Hmm...well, look at THAT. THe XBox actually beats out one of the highest end PCs available at the time...barely though, but it doubles the processing power of one of the most powerful PCs available...

Underestimating high ends PCs am I?

Sorry for the double post but you really have no bloody clue about high end PC's back in the day.....

Those are the specs for a high end PC in 2005, the highest RAM available for any motherboard would be 2x512, since they couldn't handle another twin set, any board with 4 slots was cabable of running 4x256 but NOT 4x512, the extra 2x512 would have simply taken up space and wouldn't have been recognized.
The Pentium 4 660 Processor was the top of the line CPU in 2005.
And or the GPU, the highest rated Video card was a 256-MB card.

I know exactly what I'm talking about.
XBox 360 Hardware = High End PC in 2005 Hardware

[Yajuu Omoi]

Beelzebubs wrote...

And what you posted was nothing like a high end PC of 2005 XBox would not have been able to run Mass Effect 3 in 2005 because of the amount of work since then to refine engines to squeeze out the best they can from it which can be said for both XBox 360's and PC's. They didn't have the technical knowledge at the time.

You also seem to believe the XBox 360 hasn't had any firmware upgrades since 2005.

Try again.

I never said anything about firmware. At all.
The XBox 360 was built and shipped the same way that it is sitting in my house. It is 7 years old and not ONCE has i had any hardware changed. XBL updates, yes, however;

Can I take the hard drive out, clear the cashe and still play ME3 without getting the updates back? YES.

Can you get a 2005 PC without the SP3 update and play ME3? NO

Modifié par Yajuu Omoi, 15 septembre 2012 - 07:28 .

[Yajuu Omoi]

You want to talk about a high end PC of now? Blows all current gaming systems out of the water. no questions asked.

But a PC produced from the same time as the original 360? hardware they stand equal, software, XBox wins, by 3 years. (for this game anyway, for other games the result will be different due to requirements)

[darkpassenger2342]

One of these people tends to be wrong often.

Modifié par darkpassenger2342, 15 septembre 2012 - 07:30 .

[Beelzebubs]

Yajuu Omoi wrote...

Beelzebubs wrote...

Yajuu Omoi wrote...

Apparently you don't even know what is in an XBox 360

Lets see:
Ram: 1G 2x512
Processor: Xenon Custom Triple Core, 1MB L2
Video: Xenos, 256-MB

For PCs:
Ram: 1G 2x512
Processor: Pentium 4 660, 512KB L2
Video: GForce, 256-MB

Hmm...well, look at THAT. THe XBox actually beats out one of the highest end PCs available at the time...barely though, but it doubles the processing power of one of the most powerful PCs available...

Underestimating high ends PCs am I?

Sorry for the double post but you really have no bloody clue about high end PC's back in the day.....

Those are the specs for a high end PC in 2005, the highest RAM available for any motherboard would be 2x512, since they couldn't handle another twin set, any board with 4 slots was cabable of running 4x256 but NOT 4x512, the extra 2x512 would have simply taken up space and wouldn't have been recognized.
The Pentium 4 660 Processor was the top of the line CPU in 2005.
And or the GPU, the highest rated Video card was a 256-MB card.

I know exactly what I'm talking about.
XBox 360 Hardware = High End PC in 2005 Hardware

Again the reasons you talk crap in 2005 my setup was:

AMD Athlon 64 x2 4800+ (which got overclocked a lot)
Dual ATI Radeon X1800XT's with 512mb integrated RAM in each
4GB DDR400 Ram (which in hindsight was a waste at that time)
Think it was an A8R-MVP motherboard. Still got the box somewhere, too lazy to check.

Plus the usuals.

Student loan well spent at the time, had to do a lot of 3D rendering.

Modifié par Beelzebubs, 15 septembre 2012 - 07:34 .

[Yajuu Omoi]

Beelzebubs wrote...

Yajuu Omoi wrote...

Beelzebubs wrote...

Yajuu Omoi wrote...

Apparently you don't even know what is in an XBox 360

Lets see:
Ram: 1G 2x512
Processor: Xenon Custom Triple Core, 1MB L2
Video: Xenos, 256-MB

For PCs:
Ram: 1G 2x512
Processor: Pentium 4 660, 512KB L2
Video: GForce, 256-MB

Hmm...well, look at THAT. THe XBox actually beats out one of the highest end PCs available at the time...barely though, but it doubles the processing power of one of the most powerful PCs available...

Underestimating high ends PCs am I?

Sorry for the double post but you really have no bloody clue about high end PC's back in the day.....

Those are the specs for a high end PC in 2005, the highest RAM available for any motherboard would be 2x512, since they couldn't handle another twin set, any board with 4 slots was cabable of running 4x256 but NOT 4x512, the extra 2x512 would have simply taken up space and wouldn't have been recognized.
The Pentium 4 660 Processor was the top of the line CPU in 2005.
And or the GPU, the highest rated Video card was a 256-MB card.

I know exactly what I'm talking about.
XBox 360 Hardware = High End PC in 2005 Hardware

Again the reasons you talk crap in 2005 my setup was:

AMD Athlon 64 x2 4800+ (which got overclocked a lot)
Dual ATI Radeon X1800XT's with 512mb integrated RAM in each
4GB Ram (which in hindsight was a waste at that time) - Unless you had a magical motherboard with 8 slots...you would only have had 2G sitting there...and only 1G actually being recognized anyway.
Plus the usuals.

Student loan well spent at the time, had to do a lot of 3D rendering.

Everything else I never said anything against.

[Beelzebubs]

Yajuu Omoi wrote...

Beelzebubs wrote...

Yajuu Omoi wrote...

Beelzebubs wrote...

Yajuu Omoi wrote...

Apparently you don't even know what is in an XBox 360

Lets see:
Ram: 1G 2x512
Processor: Xenon Custom Triple Core, 1MB L2
Video: Xenos, 256-MB

For PCs:
Ram: 1G 2x512
Processor: Pentium 4 660, 512KB L2
Video: GForce, 256-MB

Hmm...well, look at THAT. THe XBox actually beats out one of the highest end PCs available at the time...barely though, but it doubles the processing power of one of the most powerful PCs available...

Underestimating high ends PCs am I?

Sorry for the double post but you really have no bloody clue about high end PC's back in the day.....

Those are the specs for a high end PC in 2005, the highest RAM available for any motherboard would be 2x512, since they couldn't handle another twin set, any board with 4 slots was cabable of running 4x256 but NOT 4x512, the extra 2x512 would have simply taken up space and wouldn't have been recognized.
The Pentium 4 660 Processor was the top of the line CPU in 2005.
And or the GPU, the highest rated Video card was a 256-MB card.

I know exactly what I'm talking about.
XBox 360 Hardware = High End PC in 2005 Hardware

Again the reasons you talk crap in 2005 my setup was:

AMD Athlon 64 x2 4800+ (which got overclocked a lot)
Dual ATI Radeon X1800XT's with 512mb integrated RAM in each
4GB Ram (which in hindsight was a waste at that time) - Unless you had a magical motherboard with 8 slots...you would only have had 2G sitting there...and only 1G actually being recognized anyway.
Plus the usuals.

Student loan well spent at the time, had to do a lot of 3D rendering.

Everything else I never said anything against.

Now please, do be quiet, your knowledge on this subject is lacking.

techreport.com/review/9328/asus-a8r-mvp-motherboard/1 Oh and XP would recognize upto 3.5 GB I believe.

If you agree with the rest of the stuff, why all the bollocks above where you say Pentium 4 660/GForce 256-MB was the highest end at the time?

*edited for politeness*

Modifié par Beelzebubs, 15 septembre 2012 - 07:46 .

[Sniper21987]

just get one of every console i did just cause game i like came out on all of em so had no choice

[Eriseley]

Yajuu Omoi wrote...

Can you get a 2005 PC without the SP3 update and play ME3? NO

Why on earth does this matter, though? ME3 didn't exist in 2005...SP3 is a free update and has always existed and been available prior to any games that might require coming into being. This point holds no substance unless you have a massive aversion to Windows Update or your living room exists in some kind of space/time anomaly.

[Beelzebubs]

Eriseley wrote...

Yajuu Omoi wrote...

Can you get a 2005 PC without the SP3 update and play ME3? NO

Why on earth does this matter, though? ME3 didn't exist in 2005...SP3 is a free update and has always existed and been available prior to any games that might require coming into being. This point holds no substance unless you have a massive aversion to Windows Update or your living room exists in some kind of space/time anomaly.

Service Pack 2 also would have run ME3, SP3 never really changed much.

[Eriseley]

Beelzebubs wrote...

Service Pack 2 also would have run ME3, SP3 never really changed much.

Yeah, it's kinda irrelevant anyway. I'm not sure how SPs turned into some crux of gaming software. If ME3 had released in 2005 on both platforms it would have been compat with whatever SPs were current at the time. This just seems like a bizzare point. I thought he was referring to the shift from single to dual core, as I remember that fritzing old games which developers never bothered to update unless you messed with affinities. I'm not sure when games started requiring dual-core (or if they even technically do, I should add, so much as single core is getting really old now...and people want to forget Pentium 4s). Anyway I remember one of the SPs brought about dual-core support so that's when you'd run into that problem...I think that was SP1 though actually. I don't remember that crap any more, haha.

Also how are you determining the xbox cpu had double the processing power Yajuu? By the L2 cache size?

Modifié par Eriseley, 15 septembre 2012 - 08:57 .

[Beelzebubs]

Eriseley wrote...

Beelzebubs wrote...

Service Pack 2 also would have run ME3, SP3 never really changed much.

Yeah,
it's kinda irrelevant anyway. I'm not sure how SPs turned into some
crux of gaming software. If ME3 had released in 2005 on both platforms
it would have been compat with whatever SPs were current at the time.
This just seems like a bizzare point.

Also how are you determining the xbox cpu had double the processing power Yajuu? By the L2 cache size?

At this point just ignore him.

Highest spec chip was Pentium 4 660 - Proven false (also doesn't take into account overclocking.)
Video cards only had 256MB RAM maximum - Proven false, much higher specs existed in 2005, including dual 512 MB cards that I had, I believe there were also some upto a gig.
The highest possible RAM in 2005 was 1GB - Proven false.

Just simply the fact that consoles are generally built out of older and cheaper technology readily available for mass production. So a console sold in 2005 would be using 2004 technology.

[Ser Reevo Von Bartlesby]

Thread is full of so much fail distributed amongst a single person, but full of so much win distributed amongst many.
  A+ would read again.

But seriously, this is the last thing I'm going to say to prove my point on deceivers and charlatans arguing that since certain things (hardware/firmware/software) didn't exist for PC- such as Windows XP SP3 -at the time of the initial Xbox360 release, thus making the PC at that time theoretically unable to run/play Mass Effect 3 (I know that is hard to understand, as the faulty logic is easily apparent to anybody who knows how to boot a computer and get to Google on their own) according to a certain someone in this thread who has a restraining order against all computers:

Xbox360 was released on November 22, 2005

Unreal Engine 3 was released on August 31, 2007

Mass Effect 3 was developed around Unreal Engine 3

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I'll be leaving now.  Just one more thing...



- Mordin

[FeralJester616]

Jeff Numbers wrote...

 What I'm talking about is looking around while you sprint. With the crappy controls on the consoles you have to remove your thumb from the analog stick to sprint, therefore you can't change the direction you're running unless you stop at every right angle to change your camera view.

It can be a pain in the ass trying to quickly get to point A to point B for an objective or revive when you have to stop so many times along the way.

While PC players can fly around the maps without ever having to stop to change camera angles.

Please Bioware let us re-map our controls.

I actually use my index finger for A, B, X & Y button presses. The joy of long fingers.
Once you master this little trick, things get alot easiers with almost all games.

PC master race?

Pfft...
I even play pc games with my joypad...

[darkpassenger2342]

"Heisenberg"
"Youre goddamn right"

[Beelzebubs]

reevoluti0n wrote...

Thread is full of so much fail distributed amongst a single person, but full of so much win distributed amongst many.
  A+ would read again.

But seriously, this is the last thing I'm going to say to prove my point on deceivers and charlatans arguing that since certain things (hardware/firmware/software) didn't exist for PC- such as Windows XP SP3 -at the time of the initial Xbox360 release, thus making the PC at that time theoretically unable to run/play Mass Effect 3 (I know that is hard to understand, as the faulty logic is easily apparent to anybody who knows how to boot a computer and get to Google on their own) according to a certain someone in this thread who has a restraining order against all computers:

Xbox360 was released on November 22, 2005

Unreal Engine 3 was released on August 31, 2007

Mass Effect 3 was developed around Unreal Engine 3

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I'll be leaving now.  Just one more thing...



- Mordin

At this point he's:

[BouncyFrag]

I guess I can see the advantage of being able to change your view when sprinting. Then again, those of mighty Clan Xbox don't turn tail and run from the big, bad baddies when they get scared. So, to those of the so-called 'master race', feel free to run home to mommy if things get too hot for you to handle. Fear not, for we will hold the line and drag your clan to glory whether you like it or not.


Edit: Oh yeah, that just happend and you're welcome.
*drops mic. leaves*

Modifié par BouncyFrag, 15 septembre 2012 - 09:55 .

[Bon3zz1001]

Jay_Hoxtatron wrote...

Bon3zz1001 wrote...

 L2 Claw and yes, that's a serious response. Use your thumb for the thumbstick obviously, your index finger for the buttons and middle for RB RT. 


Congrats. You can now use the AXYB without ever having to move your thumb. 

I'm glad I use a mouse+Keyboard. 

I wouldn't want to break my hand or something 

If it makes you feel better I also play on PC. However when I do play my 360 that's how I hold my controller regardless of game. Been playing that way since Halo 2. Kind of had to if you wanted to get better at that game. 

[AsheraII]

Yajuu Omoi wrote...

Beelzebubs wrote...

Yajuu Omoi wrote...

Apparently you don't even know what is in an XBox 360

Lets see:
Ram: 1G 2x512
Processor: Xenon Custom Triple Core, 1MB L2
Video: Xenos, 256-MB

For PCs:
Ram: 1G 2x512
Processor: Pentium 4 660, 512KB L2
Video: GForce, 256-MB

Hmm...well, look at THAT. THe XBox actually beats out one of the highest end PCs available at the time...barely though, but it doubles the processing power of one of the most powerful PCs available...

Underestimating high ends PCs am I?

Sorry for the double post but you really have no bloody clue about high end PC's back in the day.....

Those are the specs for a high end PC in 2005, the highest RAM available for any motherboard would be 2x512, since they couldn't handle another twin set, any board with 4 slots was cabable of running 4x256 but NOT 4x512, the extra 2x512 would have simply taken up space and wouldn't have been recognized.
The Pentium 4 660 Processor was the top of the line CPU in 2005.
And or the GPU, the highest rated Video card was a 256-MB card.

I know exactly what I'm talking about.
XBox 360 Hardware = High End PC in 2005 Hardware

You can merrily list only a p4 processor, and ignore the simple fact that multicores have been available since 2001 already? Yeah, right. Though I didn't have one myself, a friend of mine doing professional CGI did. Yes, completely out of league for the avarage gamer, but it was there. The potential for a PC gaming rig better than that XBox360 was already available. And as I said, with that potential already available, it was only a matter of very little time for it to become affordable as well. And that's the case with every console, except maybe the PS3 since that one utilized a cell microprocessor, a piece of hardware that was completely foreign and uncomparable to any other hardware available at the time, using an architectural design that still has certain benefits over other computer hardware currently available.