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[Ardept]

I would imagine the damage is reduced because many of the demons are vulnerable to cold damage. If the base damage were equal to fire then the damage done to these mobs would be sick. You only have to fire off a few spells to spot this so when fighting them use the cold version, and everything else use the fire.



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[slash197]

The base damage for the two spells is the same.

[Tirigon]

J.O.G wrote...

The best parallel to a RPG fight is a real life knife fight. It's not about stabbing, but about slashing, cuting the opponent as often as possible until he passes out by shock. Of course IRL the "winner" is gravely injured as well and will pass out too. Whether they survive or not depends on the depth of the cuts and the availability of medical care.

That depends on your goal. If you want to win without killing, you try to cut, if you want to kill your opponent you will rather try to stab him because  stabwounds are usually deadlier. In DAO, however, you are in most cases trying to kill.

[J.O.G]

Tirigon wrote...
That depends on your goal. If you want to win without killing, you try to cut, if you want to kill your opponent you will rather try to stab him because  stabwounds are usually deadlier. In DAO, however, you are in most cases trying to kill.

That would be fencing. A knife fight is a brawl with a blade. One of the first things you learn in Combatives or a counter-knife course is to have more respect of the opponent who is slashing than the stabbing one. Stab wounds are potentially deeper and deadlier, but they also need to be more precise. Stab attacks are much easier to evade, and grabbing the stabber's knife arm is also easier.

Of course the first rule would be to avoid a knife fight. If you can't avoid the fight, make him look like a coward if he needs a knife to face you.

[stillnotking]

slash197 wrote...

The base damage for the two spells is the same.

Has anyone systematically tested this on some non-resistant mob like a wolf?  I know the code seems to show them doing identical damage, but every time I've compared the two, the damage from Frost Weapons has been lower.  It's possible that the code is bugged or that most mobs have a higher baseline cold resist for some reason.

Weren't Frost Weapons originally supposed to slow the enemy's attack speed?  If so, then the lower damage could be an uncorrected remnant of the original, now discarded design concept.

[traversc]

Yes, flame weapon does do what seems to be 2x damage compared to frost weapon. Don't know whether this is a bug or not.

[Mlai00]

Even if it's originally a bug, at present it is balanced, and therefore devs probably won't want to change it.

Because, as said, the Cold line is a better crowd-control spell line than the Fire line. And many enemies have better fire resistance.

You can't compare individual spells in a vacuum. You need to compare the 2 lines in their entirety. If I'm training to get CoC, I am not spending points on Fire Weapons.

When you say "If Fire Weapons are better, no one will use Frost Weapons," you fail to consider that my mage doesn't have Fire Weapons because he/she is training in the Cold line!

I'm currently 85% thru the game, and none of my mages have any fire spells. Guess what weapon enhancement spell I'm using?

[AnnaBananaBamBamBoo]

The frosted weapons have a side-affect which ends up yielding as much damage as if it was done with fire but you have to take advantage of it. Often you can freeze  targets and gives you time to escape or inflict more damage. Also when a target's frozen you can use stone fist to shatter them. I've yet to try a shock bomb after freezing targets, that would be awesome.

Modifié par AnnaBananaBamBamBoo, 22 février 2010 - 06:37 .

[xCobalt]

I've gone through the game using frost weapons and have yet to freeze a target. I think you're mistaken with another Cold spell.

[soteria]

As far as I can tell, cone of cold is the only spell that allows shattering. I've never had any luck shattering someone frozen from blizzard or winter's grasp.



Also, what "many enemies" have fire resistance? Undead (frost resist) are much more common than rage demons (fire resist).

[AlanC9]

I've seen shatters from Blizzard, I think. Never Winter's Grasp.



I agree that it's balanced the way it is. CoC is more generally useful than Fireball.