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[Yrkoon]

addiction21 wrote...

Yrkoon wrote...

^I'll also reiterate the fact that there's no measuring stick here. Has bioware ever gotten 30,000 PC platform pre-orders for a game a full year and a half before its estimated release date?  .

Have they ever offered pre orders a full year and a half ahead of time?


There is a point where that axe you have been grinding turns into bloody fingertips.

Which is why I said there's no measuring stick here.

[A Crusty Knight Of Colour]

slimgrin wrote...

CrustyBot wrote...

I for one am glad that with the success of Kickstarter, not every RPG being released is Cinematic Action Game with RPG elements #316.

While I certainly think some of these games are top notch (Deus Ex: HR, Witcher 2, Alpha Protocol, etc), I have always felt that the design and creativity of games such as the original Fallouts, Planescape, Darklands, etc have been unparalleled by modern games. Mainly because of how the development process has been impeded by publisher requirements.

I'm happy they're making the kind of game they want to, and that it'll be a throwback. The last thing we need is more clones in this industry. But terms like 'cinematic game' or 'action combat' are more often than not pejoratives on this site and have no basis in fact. They're just different game mechanics.

Thanks for agreeing.

Back on topic: Those are some nice stretch goals.

I'm seriously considering upping my pledge to $140 to get the Collector's Edition.

Modifié par CrustyBot, 16 septembre 2012 - 03:07 .

[wsandista]

CrustyBot wrote...

Thanks for agreeing.

Back on topic: Those are some nice stretch goals.

I'm seriously considering upping my pledge to $140 to get the Collector's Edition.

I'm going to do just that after I make my car payent and pay my rent and phone bills. 

[slimgrin]

CrustyBot wrote...

slimgrin wrote...

CrustyBot wrote...

I for one am glad that with the success of Kickstarter, not every RPG being released is Cinematic Action Game with RPG elements #316.

While I certainly think some of these games are top notch (Deus Ex: HR, Witcher 2, Alpha Protocol, etc), I have always felt that the design and creativity of games such as the original Fallouts, Planescape, Darklands, etc have been unparalleled by modern games. Mainly because of how the development process has been impeded by publisher requirements.

I'm happy they're making the kind of game they want to, and that it'll be a throwback. The last thing we need is more clones in this industry. But terms like 'cinematic game' or 'action combat' are more often than not pejoratives on this site and have no basis in fact. They're just different game mechanics.

Thanks for agreeing.

Back on topic: Those are some nice stretch goals.

I'm seriously considering upping my pledge to $140 to get the Collector's Edition.

Thanks for being an arrogant ass.

[Fisto The Sexbot]

Skelter192 wrote...

Fisto The Sexbot wrote...since those two games have little to nothing to do with roleplaying.

I'm not going to debate or say anything further but I disagree here.

CrustyBot wrote...

I for one am glad that with the success of Kickstarter, not every RPG being released is Cinematic Action Game with half-baked RPG elements #316.

While I certainly think some of these games are top notch (Deus Ex: HR, Witcher 2, Alpha Protocol, etc), I have always felt that the design and creativity of games such as the original Fallouts, Planescape, Darklands, etc have been unparalleled by modern games. Mainly because of how the development process has been impeded by publisher requirements.

And that's not nostalgia talking either, I have some current LPs of Fallout 2 and Darklands lying around here.

Whether the game is actually any good or not is something we'll see when it comes out. The fact that they're making it and the fact that such games are drawing such positive interest is what's important.

 

Just left the trials in the beginning myself. People like to say "that's nostalgia talking" but not for me I've played FO2 at least 6 times completely it's one of favorite games.

It's games like these that oldschool rpg fans want and that is why the kickstarter made it's money so fast. 

CrustyBot wrote... 
Can't believe people are ****ing that a game in the vein of BG, PS:T and IWD is too much like BG, PS:T and IWD with not enough CUTSCENES and VOICE ACTING.

  

Of all the threads frankly. Obsidian isn't being koi they said they are making an old school rpgs directly influenced by the infinity engine games. What a stupid complaint to have.

To be clear, I have absolutely nothing against the Witcher 2, but I find it very perplexing as to how anyone would think it possible to roleplay in it. It's an action game with RPG elements like Deus Ex, and there's nothing wrong with that... that's how I see it.

[Fisto The Sexbot]

slimgrin wrote...

CrustyBot wrote...

slimgrin wrote...

CrustyBot wrote...

I for one am glad that with the success of Kickstarter, not every RPG being released is Cinematic Action Game with RPG elements #316.

While I certainly think some of these games are top notch (Deus Ex: HR, Witcher 2, Alpha Protocol, etc), I have always felt that the design and creativity of games such as the original Fallouts, Planescape, Darklands, etc have been unparalleled by modern games. Mainly because of how the development process has been impeded by publisher requirements.

I'm happy they're making the kind of game they want to, and that it'll be a throwback. The last thing we need is more clones in this industry. But terms like 'cinematic game' or 'action combat' are more often than not pejoratives on this site and have no basis in fact. They're just different game mechanics.

Thanks for agreeing.

Back on topic: Those are some nice stretch goals.

I'm seriously considering upping my pledge to $140 to get the Collector's Edition.

Thanks for being an arrogant ass.

I think he's... actually agreeing with you. Just sayin'.

[slimgrin]

Fisto The Sexbot wrote...


To be clear, I have absolutely nothing against the Witcher 2, but I find it very perplexing as to how anyone would think it possible to roleplay in it. It's an action game with RPG elements like Deus Ex, and there's nothing wrong with that... that's how I see it.

As if on cue. Whatever. I'm too tired for this old school elitist bullsh*t.

Modifié par slimgrin, 16 septembre 2012 - 03:16 .

[Fisto The Sexbot]

And I try so hard to avoid sounding elitist.

[wsandista]

Fisto The Sexbot wrote...

To be clear, I have absolutely nothing against the Witcher 2, but I find it very perplexing as to how anyone would think it possible to roleplay in it. It's an action game with RPG elements like Deus Ex, and there's nothing wrong with that... that's how I see it.

I feel the same. How can I roleplay a character if I can't know what they will say or do?

[Sister Goldring]

CrustyBot wrote...

Back on topic: Those are some nice stretch goals.

I'm seriously considering upping my pledge to $140 to get the Collector's Edition.

I"m doing the same but the problem is once you do it then the $250 signed version just looks so much more appealing.....and affordable!  It's a vicious cycle.

[NoxNoctum]

Man leave off the bickering please.

Seriously killing the vibe.

[A Crusty Knight Of Colour]

Sister Goldring wrote...

CrustyBot wrote...

Back on topic: Those are some nice stretch goals.

I'm seriously considering upping my pledge to $140 to get the Collector's Edition.

I"m doing the same but the problem is once you do it then the $250 signed version just looks so much more appealing.....and affordable!  It's a vicious cycle.

... Y-you're right...

No wait, shut up shut up shut up!

[Eurypterid]

CrustyBot wrote...

... Y-you're right...

No wait, shut up shut up shut up!

C'mon. You know you want to. Just one more tier. What'll it hurt. Go on, do it. You want to do it.

Modifié par Eurypterid, 16 septembre 2012 - 03:39 .

[Sister Goldring]

You go, I'll go 

[Chromie]

Why can't BSN do a RPGCodex and band together to name a tavern or something?

Modifié par Skelter192, 16 septembre 2012 - 03:28 .

[wsandista]

Skelter192 wrote...

CrustyBot wrote...

Sister Goldring wrote...

CrustyBot wrote...

Back on topic: Those are some nice stretch goals.

I'm seriously considering upping my pledge to $140 to get the Collector's Edition.

I"m doing the same but the problem is once you do it then the $250 signed version just looks so much more appealing.....and affordable!  It's a vicious cycle.

... Y-you're right...

No wait, shut up shut up shut up!

Why can't BSN do a RPGCodex and band together to name a tavern or something?

Because the BSN can't agree on anything.

[Gibb_Shepard]

Fisto The Sexbot wrote...


To be clear, I have absolutely nothing against the Witcher 2, but I find it very perplexing as to how anyone would think it possible to roleplay in it. It's an action game with RPG elements like Deus Ex, and there's nothing wrong with that... that's how I see it.

How can you not? The amount of moral choices and character defining dialogue that you are given for Geralt just oozes Roleplaying. Your Geralt can differ so much depending on how you craft his perspective. Of course he's always the broody, sarcastic cynic (For the most part); but you can craft his belief system and philosophy to a great extent.

I've had FAR more fun making nuanced Geralt's than i have making seemingly inherently inconsistent Hawke's. 

And it is an Action RPG. The only thing necessary for an RPG to be an RPG is the ability to craft a character through story and personal choices; ROLEPLAYING. No inventory, no exploration, just roleplaying. And TW2 delivers that in spades. If this new Obsidian RPG didn't have character dialogue choices or story/personal choices, it would not be an RPG. No matter how much dungeon crawling and looting you throw into it.

Modifié par Gibb_Shepard, 16 septembre 2012 - 03:32 .

[Chromie]

wsandista wrote...
Because the BSN can't agree on anything.

I can't wait to play Wasteland 2 and see the shrine for RPGCodex. 

[wsandista]

Gibb_Shepard wrote...

Fisto The Sexbot wrote...


To be clear, I have absolutely nothing against the Witcher 2, but I find it very perplexing as to how anyone would think it possible to roleplay in it. It's an action game with RPG elements like Deus Ex, and there's nothing wrong with that... that's how I see it.

How can you not? The amount of moral choices and character defining dialogue that you are given for Geralt just oozes Roleplaying. Your Geralt can differ so much depending on how you craft his perspective. Of course he's always the broody, sarcastic cynic (For the most part); but you can craft his belief system and philosophy to a great extent.

I've had FAR more fun making nuanced Geralt's than i have making seemingly inherently inconsistent Hawke's. 

Choices =/= roleplaying.

To roleplay, I have to be able to completely control how the character acts and thinks. I can't do that with Geralt.

[A Crusty Knight Of Colour]

Can't we just agree that Witcher 2 is a good game and go back to the topic at hand?

[Yrkoon]

Fisto The Sexbot wrote...
To be clear, I have absolutely nothing against the Witcher 2, but I find it very perplexing as to how anyone would think it possible to roleplay in it. It's an action game with RPG elements like Deus Ex, and there's nothing wrong with that... that's how I see it.

To be fair,   (and while we're discussing the old school) It's also really difficult to Role Play the Nameless One in Planescape Torment.  In fact, you have no RP options at all  beyond deciding your morality.  Of course, every single choice you get  to make (and you get dozens and dozens throughout the game) are morality based, thus projecting a rather strong feeling of RP.  This is probably why PS:T was able to avoid criticism from the "is this an RPG?!" crowd.   Because otherwise,  it's set up remarkably the same way as Witcher 2:

1) Set protagonist who's appearance  and name cannot be changed?  Check
2) Set background, therefore the player can't create one himself?  Check
3) Very little  (if any) varied choice in equipment?  Check.  Actually Witcher 2 wins out on this one, as the Nameless one cannot even wear armor
4) Protagonist has Amnesia, thus has no choice but to roleplay someone who has no memories of his past and is at the mercy of others who have  such information?  Check.

Modifié par Yrkoon, 16 septembre 2012 - 03:36 .

[wsandista]

Skelter192 wrote...

wsandista wrote...
Because the BSN can't agree on anything.

I can't wait to play Wasteland 2 and see the shrine for RPGCodex. 

Neither can I. I can't wait just to play a new party-based RPG that lets me have actual control over the PC. I haven't been able to do that since DAO.

Not to mention it is turn-based. I'm still in a pleasant shock.

[Dragoonlordz]

CrustyBot wrote...

I for one am glad that with the success of Kickstarter, not every RPG being released is Cinematic Action Game with RPG elements #316.

-snipped this part because I like different types of RPG just as much as each other, sometimes feel in the mood for good action RPG third person, sometimes isometric RPGs and sometimes either tactical turn based RPG or anime style RPGs. Sometimes full VO and sometimes text only-

Whether the game is actually any good or not is something we'll see when it comes out. The fact that they're making it and the fact that such games are drawing such positive interest is what's important.

Can't believe people are ****ing that a game in the vein of BG, PS:T and IWD is too much like BG, PS:T and IWD with not enough CUTSCENES and VOICE ACTING.

This site ****es on a daily basis that BioWare games like Mass Effect or Dragon Age 2 aren't like their older games like Origins or BG. Then, when a game is on Kickstarter promoting that kind of game, people **** it isn't enough like Mass Effect or Dragon Age 2.

Jesus.

I agree, I recently just took advantage of GoGs D&D promotion and picked up many of games with similar idiology and mechanics as this Eternity one will have. I have owned various versions of them in past with exception only of PS:T which I'm not sure if you recall people in my friends list kept telling me to pick up and I never got around to it. Well now I have. All those style games are great and is why I also contributed to Eternity.

What annoys me is the world is big enough for people to like Bioware's games, Obsidian's, CDPR's and/or Bethesda's etc. I am quite tired of all this hate for one not being like another when it is possible to buy from one or all developers. There is room in the market place to suit most peoples needs and kickstarter is bringing back what the currently publishers neglect. It fills a hole in the market place. I don't see why people would whine about what Obsidian does anymore than what Bioware does regarding format or style of games.

Granted each game any developer makes stands on it's own merits but the format and style of games can exist for all types. Noone is being forced to buy any. If Bioware's titles don't interest someone anymore, if their games are no longer enjoyable then buy a different game, likewise if what Eternity title proposed doesn't suit person x, y or z then buy a different game. If I want to buy a title like Witcher 2 I can and have, buy one like Skyrim or Deus EX:HR I do and also have, buy one like PS:T/BG/ID/Project Eternity or Mass Effect ditto. I can even buy all of them.

One of the elements I mentioned I disliked between DA2 and ME was how the two types were becoming the same as each other therefore reducing the quantity of different style RPG games on the marketplace. With KS I can help fund ones that publishers don't want while at same time buying the ones that publishers make possible. Bioware has a place and role to fill in producing titles I might like to buy, just like KS titles from people like Obsidian.

Why on earth are people whining about Obsidians style of RPG making or Bioware's style of RPG they create. Full VO has it's place and some developers do that, silent protaganist has it's place and some make games like that. TBS/RTS/RT+Pause, first person RP or third person RP all cater to someone so instead of whining about when a developer makes one type, just buy a different game instead of this dumb idea of "This is how you do it an RPG Bioware trololo...derpy derpy derp!" or "Why you not want to make full VO game Obsidian... All games better with full VO derpy derpy derp!" nonsense. If Obsidians project does not appeal to x then don't fund it, if Bioware's product does not appeal to y then don't buy it and likewise if Bethesda's titles doesn't appeal to z then don't buy that.

So people who go "Bioware/Bethesda/CDPR/Obsidian/Nippon Ichi/Squeenix sucks > (insert snide comment here)..." can go jump off a cliff. I am not forced to buy from any developer and I want as many developers making their own style games as possible which gives me more choice and more of a selection RPG's that I might like to buy. The more the variety of styles and formats the better. I liked ME1+3 more than ME2 by long way, I liked DAO more than DA2 by a long way but I realise that even if ME4 or DA3 doesn't sound like something I will enjoy (they do interest me very much at this stage in reality)... I know I can buy an RPG from one of the many other developers out there.

If Biowares products interest me I buy them, if a title is on KS like Eternity I help fund it. If non publisher based like Xenonnuats I can help fund or buy but at the same time a publisher title like 2KGames X-Com Enemy Unknown remake I can also buy. Room for both to exist in this world publisher and non publisher based titles. Many styles of RPG's by many different developers, the more developers producing different style titles the better whether publisher route or independant route. Tired of all this if don't do this then you suck mentality on these forums these days. People should stop trying to make every RPG the same just because they might think their preference is the only one that matters.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 16 septembre 2012 - 03:46 .

[Gibb_Shepard]

wsandista wrote...

Gibb_Shepard wrote...

Fisto The Sexbot wrote...


To be clear, I have absolutely nothing against the Witcher 2, but I find it very perplexing as to how anyone would think it possible to roleplay in it. It's an action game with RPG elements like Deus Ex, and there's nothing wrong with that... that's how I see it.

How can you not? The amount of moral choices and character defining dialogue that you are given for Geralt just oozes Roleplaying. Your Geralt can differ so much depending on how you craft his perspective. Of course he's always the broody, sarcastic cynic (For the most part); but you can craft his belief system and philosophy to a great extent.

I've had FAR more fun making nuanced Geralt's than i have making seemingly inherently inconsistent Hawke's. 

Choices =/= roleplaying.

To roleplay, I have to be able to completely control how the character acts and thinks. I can't do that with Geralt.

And how do you think your character makes the choice? He just flips a coin? You define his thought process, and then commit him to a choice. That thought process should then be applied to later choices, to keep up a consisten character. Or, if you want, you can evolve the belief system.

You don't need a blank paper protagonist to role play a character, you can do it with a semi defined one. It's just more confined and limited, but it provides greater in-game repercussions.

Also, PS:T. Set up EXACTLY the same way as TW2. Are you seriously going to tell me it's not an RPG? 

Modifié par Gibb_Shepard, 16 septembre 2012 - 03:37 .

[Chromie]

CrustyBot wrote...

Can't we just agree that Witcher 2 is a good game and go back to the topic at hand?

Deal. Let's bombard Avellone on twitter to get George Ziets back in Obsidian if only for Project Eternity. He's seems interested.