Modifié par Testosticore, 14 septembre 2012 - 08:37 .
Modifié par jpraelster93, 14 septembre 2012 - 08:37 .
Testosticore wrote...
Thank you for your input, Derek. Might I ask for a couple of examples in which games reload canceling occurs?
Modifié par Derek Hollan, 14 septembre 2012 - 08:41 .
Derek Hollan wrote...
Right, sorry, I should have specified animation cancelling. They are more common in games like Street Fighter or other similar series. Corey's arguement is that this type of action gives the player more control over how his / her character acts.
Cheers
Edited for poor typing
Testosticore wrote...
Just because Derek spoke doesn't mean I'm going to drop the subject. This is a discussion forum where discussion takes place. Most of this legitimate conversation has been civil. If you have to "thank god" for a thread's potential end, don't click on it.
It is also NOT very similar to the active reload in that the active reload had an indicator and a dedicated command for completing the action.
upinya slayin wrote...
Testosticore wrote...
Just because Derek spoke doesn't mean I'm going to drop the subject. This is a discussion forum where discussion takes place. Most of this legitimate conversation has been civil. If you have to "thank god" for a thread's potential end, don't click on it.
It is also NOT very similar to the active reload in that the active reload had an indicator and a dedicated command for completing the action.
It kinda is just without the HUD, Its about timing. Its no different then saying its cheating If someone can aim better then you. its not an unfair advantage and its not cheating. BW has even said it themselves
Derek Hollan wrote...
Reload cancelling is a game mechanic utilized in a number of different game titles. The philosophy is that it rewards particularly skilled players for accomplishing the action.
On the surface, it does not seem fair or realistic but it is merely a mechanic like any other.
Suspension of disbelief can be brought into it by saying your particular soldier, adept, infiltrator, or whatever, has learned speed reloading, or whatever, even though the animation does not support it.
It's not something accepted by everyone. It took me a long time to be convinced by Corey Gaspur that this was a good idea, but he plays a lot of fighting games.
Cheers
Testosticore wrote...
*snip*
Thank you for acknowledging my patience, but it's taking absolutely no effort. This conversation was intended to be and indeed has been fun for me. I enjoy constructive conversation. It doesn't upset me that people reload cancel. I just dislike the contradictions inherent in it.
You and others have provided descriptions of my inaccuracies on the operations of ME firearms. I was mistaken. But it all begs the question: if the final bit of the animation is present and unnecissary, why include it? It's an unfair advantage over anyone who never figures it out and is not told about it. If it's a completely superfluous animation that was included on nearly every single gun and there was a shortcut created specifically for "clever use of game mechanics", I feel it's even more annoying. It's akin to quickscoping.
Testosticore wrote...
I'm not distinguishing between single and multiplayer, and
cheating has nothing to do with harming other players in my eyes. To use
the multiplayer distinction, however, taking shortcuts is a form of
cheating. If you take a shortcut in a race you're cheating and I feel
the analogy fits because the scoring is, for a very large percentage of
players, a race to the most points. The only way you can compete is by
taking the shortcut yourself. It forces you to play a specific way.
jpraelster93 wrote...
upinya slayin wrote...
Testosticore wrote...
Just because Derek spoke doesn't mean I'm going to drop the subject. This is a discussion forum where discussion takes place. Most of this legitimate conversation has been civil. If you have to "thank god" for a thread's potential end, don't click on it.
It is also NOT very similar to the active reload in that the active reload had an indicator and a dedicated command for completing the action.
It kinda is just without the HUD, Its about timing. Its no different then saying its cheating If someone can aim better then you. its not an unfair advantage and its not cheating. BW has even said it themselves
Thank you that was my point its almost exactly the same except there is no hud
Testosticore wrote...
Yes.
Cyonan wrote...
Derek Hollan wrote...
Reload cancelling is a game mechanic utilized in a number of different game titles. The philosophy is that it rewards particularly skilled players for accomplishing the action.
On the surface, it does not seem fair or realistic but it is merely a mechanic like any other.
Suspension of disbelief can be brought into it by saying your particular soldier, adept, infiltrator, or whatever, has learned speed reloading, or whatever, even though the animation does not support it.
It's not something accepted by everyone. It took me a long time to be convinced by Corey Gaspur that this was a good idea, but he plays a lot of fighting games.
Cheers
Out of curiosity, have you guys/girls ever entertained the idea of having a reload cancel button(or even just pressing reload a second time), as opposed to the current popular method if doing it via medi-gel?
I didn't know animation cancelling was a thing in fighting games, but I'm still part of the "mash buttons wildly until somebody's health bar is empty" crowd =P
Testosticore wrote...
jpraelster93 wrote...
upinya slayin wrote...
Testosticore wrote...
Just because Derek spoke doesn't mean I'm going to drop the subject. This is a discussion forum where discussion takes place. Most of this legitimate conversation has been civil. If you have to "thank god" for a thread's potential end, don't click on it.
It is also NOT very similar to the active reload in that the active reload had an indicator and a dedicated command for completing the action.
It kinda is just without the HUD, Its about timing. Its no different then saying its cheating If someone can aim better then you. its not an unfair advantage and its not cheating. BW has even said it themselves
Thank you that was my point its almost exactly the same except there is no hud
And no dedicated exocution command. So it's almost exactly the same thing except not at all. It's almost exactly the same thing like eating cereal with a bowl and a spoon is almost exactly the same thing as eating invisible cereal out of the box.
sandboxgod wrote...
Yeah this is a mechanic common among fighting and action games. I like it because it is something that a skilled player will learn to do and appreciate. Adds more player skill
It's nothing I would bother to debate with anyone. It's just my opinion. Thank you Bioware for setting the OP straight
Testosticore wrote...
sandboxgod wrote...
Yeah this is a mechanic common among fighting and action games. I like it because it is something that a skilled player will learn to do and appreciate. Adds more player skill
It's nothing I would bother to debate with anyone. It's just my opinion. Thank you Bioware for setting the OP straight
No one "set me straight". This is a discussion. Something a lot of people in this community seem to have a tenuous grasp of. Derek said himself it took a great deal of convincing for him to accept it.
jpraelster93 wrote...
Testosticore wrote...
jpraelster93 wrote...
upinya slayin wrote...
Testosticore wrote...
Just because Derek spoke doesn't mean I'm going to drop the subject. This is a discussion forum where discussion takes place. Most of this legitimate conversation has been civil. If you have to "thank god" for a thread's potential end, don't click on it.
It is also NOT very similar to the active reload in that the active reload had an indicator and a dedicated command for completing the action.
It kinda is just without the HUD, Its about timing. Its no different then saying its cheating If someone can aim better then you. its not an unfair advantage and its not cheating. BW has even said it themselves
Thank you that was my point its almost exactly the same except there is no hud
And no dedicated exocution command. So it's almost exactly the same thing except not at all. It's almost exactly the same thing like eating cereal with a bowl and a spoon is almost exactly the same thing as eating invisible cereal out of the box.
Dont be so stubborn they are very similar in how you exucute them on your controller forget the screen forget the hud the way you do both on your controller is almost exactly the same
jpraelster93 wrote...
Testosticore wrote...
sandboxgod wrote...
Yeah this is a mechanic common among fighting and action games. I like it because it is something that a skilled player will learn to do and appreciate. Adds more player skill
It's nothing I would bother to debate with anyone. It's just my opinion. Thank you Bioware for setting the OP straight
No one "set me straight". This is a discussion. Something a lot of people in this community seem to have a tenuous grasp of. Derek said himself it took a great deal of convincing for him to accept it.
But the fact is is that it is intended that came straight from dereks mouth convincing or not thats a fact
Weebay wrote...
Testosticore wrote...
Yes.
Way to be 100%wrong and yet still reply. If you don't know for sure don't respond please or specify that you THINK that's the answer
Testosticore wrote...
Weebay wrote...
Testosticore wrote...
Yes.
Way to be 100%wrong and yet still reply. If you don't know for sure don't respond please or specify that you THINK that's the answer
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