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[CitizenThom]

Snap Freeze vs. Snap Freeze + Cryo Shield tends to suggest that debuffs can stack.

ahhhhh, I get it now. (seeing the post below)

Modifié par CitizenThom, 15 septembre 2012 - 04:41 .

[peddroelm]

cgj wrote...

ok , thanks, though it's not enterily my fault, misleading title is misleading :
' same debuff' type' you might want to say 'same debuff power' or something else

 

Edited the title ...

[DieselL]

so if i use one proxy mine and my team mate uses another proxy mine on the same time on the same target my gun only deals +20% of its base damage or +40% ?

[peddroelm]

DieselL wrote...

so if i use one proxy mine and my team mate uses another proxy mine on the same time on the same target my gun only deals +20% of its base damage or +40% ?

 

Neither ..  .. Unless you have absolutely no other weapon damage bonuses in play ...

[DieselL]

ok lets say we are 2 geth infiltrators with 2 piranhas cloak on +80% , hunter mode and network AI maxed for damage + extended barrel + shotgun AMP5 ,APIII ,Shotgun AmpIII !
we both cloak and shoot a proxy mine and then i fire one shot! all on the same target and on the same time !
I just wanted to know if we get a 40% from two mines or yeah anyways its confusing for cause I am Austrian and i learned English through XboxLive , so sorry for my bad wording and the longer time i need to understand.....

ps: i really really appreciate what you write on this forum

[peddroelm]

DieselL wrote...

ok lets say we are 2 geth infiltrators with 2 piranhas cloak on +80% , hunter mode and network AI maxed for damage + extended barrel + shotgun AMP5 ,APIII ,Shotgun AmpIII !
we both cloak and shoot a proxy mine and then i fire one shot! all on the same target and on the same time !
I just wanted to know if we get a 40% from two mines or yeah anyways its confusing for cause I am Austrian and i learned English through XboxLive , so sorry for my bad wording and the longer time i need to understand.....

ps: i really really appreciate what you write on this forum

 

Will not get 40% from 2 Proximity mines only 20% ..But it doesn't apply only to base damage it applies to basedamage * (1 + sum of damage bonuses) ... (cloak bonus, shotgun amp , extended barrel , passive , hunter mode ...)

[LuckyBullet95]

Feneckus wrote...

 How do you explain this :

  --> 8 shots for the shields, 5 for the armor

http://www.youtube.c...Fxqlp_o#t=0m31s    --> First two shots = half of the shields, next one does a ****load of damage.

An ATLAS has 2k more Shields than Armour.

Cannot see your loadout. If you ran Warp or AP then your getting up to a 60% damage bonus vs. Armour that isn't applied to Shield.

Shredder Mod effects damage done to Armour.

ATLAS was closer for the third shot. If all the bullets hit he will take more damage.

Inconsistantcy, lack of evidence of factor control and bias use of the weapon (possibly setting it up for higher Armour Damage) al make your results unreliable.

[DieselL]

thx

[blaze55555]

thanks, peddro, this is definitely a lot more helpful and clear, but I was under the impression that PM uniquely can stack under one condition: Multiple people use it.

I.E. if you use warp on an enemy, then an ally uses a warp on the same enemy, their warp overrides your warp and the debuff becomes whichever warp was used on the aforementioned enemy last; whereas, with Proximity Mine, if someone else uses PM on the same enemy, then the debuffs stack, additively (In the HSmodifier section, apparently). I was under the impression that PM was the only power where teammates can't override your debuff, only you can.

[Kogia]

Heaps of praise for such detailed work, this actually makes a significant change in the way to look at some classes and their skills (Turian Soldier & marksman, for example).

[peddroelm]

blaze55555 wrote...

thanks, peddro, this is definitely a lot more helpful and clear, but I was under the impression that PM uniquely can stack under one condition: Multiple people use it.

.

 

You were correct .. Done some more tests with stacking debuffs .. Will update OP eventually ..PM from different players will stack (one per player) ...As will some of the other debuffs ... 

PM from 2 players 1+0.2+0.2
PM from 3 players 1+0.2+0.2+0.2 

 

Modifié par peddroelmz, 16 septembre 2012 - 11:45 .

[peddroelm]

UPDATE - further debuff stack tests ...

Proximity Mines Debuffs from DIFFERENT players WILL STACK ... (go go all GI PARTY)
Warp Debuffs from DIFFERENT players will stack (both damage bonuses and armor weakening)...
Tactical scan will Remove Tactical scan debuff and then activate its on effect ( DOES NOT STACK EVER)
Biotic Bubble debuff DOES NOT STACK ...
Cryo Blast Debuffs from DIFFERENT players will stack (both damage bonuses and armor weakening)...
Snap Freeze Debuffs from DIFFERENT players will stack (both damage bonuses and armor weakening)...
(slow effects not tested yet..)



TEST DATA (weapon always Geth SMG 22.11 base damage on geth)
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GI + Turian Soldier (Proxy mine + Proxy mine)

Proxy mine damage
Damage Received: 1204.000000 //400 * (1 + 1.15) * (1 + 0.2 + 0.2) = 1204

Uncharged GSMG
Damage Received: 22.918701 //22.11 * (1 + 0.225) * (1 + 0.2 + 0.2)) - 15 = 22.91865

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GI + GI (Proxy mine + Proxy mine)

Proxy mine damage
Damage Received: 1204.000000 //400 * (1 + 1.15) * (1 + 0.2 + 0.2) = 1204

Uncharged GSMG
Damage Received: 22.918701 //22.11 * (1 + 0.225) * (1 + 0.2 + 0.2)) - 15 = 22.91865

Charged GSMG
Damage Received: 79.796631 //(22.11 * 2.5 * (1 + 0.225) * (1 + 0.2 + 0.2)) - 15 = 79.796625


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GI + SI + TS (triple PM debuff stack)

Proximity mine
Damage Received: 1376.000244 // 400 * (1 + 1.15) * (1 + 0.2 + 0.2 + 0.2) = 1376

Uncharged GSMG
Damage Received: 28.335693 // (22.11 * (1 + 0.225) * (1 + 0.2 + 0.2 + 0.2)) - 15 = 28.3356


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GI + 2 paladins ( PM + 2* snap freeze)

Damage Received: 1204.000000 // 400 * (1 + 1.15) * (1 + 0.2 + 0.1 +0.1) = 1204

No weapon fired for test


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GI + 2 cryo blast (one was at 15% extra damage)

PM
Damage Received: 1376.000000 //400 * (1 + 1.15) * (1 + 0.2 + 0.15 + 0.25) = 1376

GSMG cold
Damage Received: 43.335693 // 22.11 * (1 + 0.225) * (1 + 0.2 + 0.15 + 0.25) -15*(1-0.5-0.5) = 43.3356

GSMG HOT
Damage Received: 108.338867 //22.11 * 2.5 * (1 + 0.225) * (1 + 0.2 + 0.15 + 0.25) - 15 * (1-0.5+0.5) = 108.339

//////////HERE FIRST NOTICED ARMOR WEAKENING EFFECTS STACK


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Proximity Mine + 2 Tactical scans

PM
Damage Received: 1247.000000 //400 * (1 + 1.15) * (1 + 0.2 + 0.25) = 1247
PM (after weaker TS 15% replaced the 25% one (cast over))
Damage Received: 1161.000000 //400 * (1 + 1.15) * (1 + 0.2 + 0.15) = 1161

GSMG cold
Damage Received: 23.595703 //(22.11 * (1 + 0.225) * (1 + 0.2 + 0.225)) - 15 = 23.5957687
GSMG HOT
Damage Received: 81.489502 //(22.11 * 2.5 * (1 + 0.225) * (1 + 0.2 + 0.225)) - 15 = 81.4894219

The Weaker TS is 15% all damage and has 7.5% extra weapon damage

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PM + Warp from 2 players


PM
Damage Received: 1032.000000 400 * (1 + 1.15) * (1 + 0.2) = 1032
PM damage does NOT get the 15% bonus damage from warp expose ...

Cool GSMG
Damage Received: 40.627197 //22.11 * (1 + 0.225) * (1 + 0.2 + 0.15 + 0.15) - 50* (1-0.5-0.5) = 40.627125
HOT GSMG
Damage Received: 101.567871 //22.11 * (1 + 0.225) * 2.5 * (1 + 0.2 + 0.15 + 0.15) - 50* (1-0.5-0.5) = 101.567812

Again armor weakening from 2 warps from 2 different players stacks

[blaze55555]

Still awesome.

[Maker MEDA]

Cryo blast stack alright, played with a GI and it worked beautifully. Too bad about the Bubble,

[peddroelm]

Maker MEDA wrote...

Cryo blast stack alright, played with a GI and it worked beautifully. Too bad about the Bubble,

Bubble is ok - just can't stack 2 of them even from different players ...

[bobby_paradise]

Thanks for clarification and invested time Peddro, as usual!