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[Kamfrenchie]

Twinzam.V wrote...

Blueprotoss wrote...

Twinzam.V wrote...

Blueprotoss wrote...

Twinzam.V wrote...

Yes... But you dont have a terminator after you in DE or super powers in the matrix. What you have is a cyberpunk future, with corporate conspiracies similar to at least Robocop or Terminator.
But just similar, not an ending where the hero sacrifices himself in molten metal in DE.

Yet there are cyborgs that share the deadliness of the Terminator that follow you in DE and you also have super powers while wearing lots of leather.  DE is set in a cyberpunk but its nothing completely new.

Like you said cyborgs, half human half machine, not totally machine like terminator. (inspiration) 
They didnt came from the future to kill the hero. The hero didnt jump in molten metal to save the day. (plagiarism)

If you want to get technical then some of the Terminators can be classified as cyborgs and thats still nothing new. 

No you cant since the skin is there just for camouflage, he just feels the impact of bullets and not pain like a cyborg would. Take the skin from terminator and he would be "meh", rip the skin from a cyborg and he will feel pain since its a living organism.
If you dress up as the president does that make you the president? 

Arguing with blueprotoss is an exercise in futility. Save your tme and ignore him

[JBPBRC]

EnvyTB075 wrote...

brettc893 wrote...

Man, If I could photoshop, I'd do one of these for StarCraft and Halo and blow some 11 year old bungie fans MINDS.

Cool find OP.

Can't say for Starcraft....but its not QUITE an exact copypasta with Halo, though the ancient baddies (Precurser/Flood) is almost accurate.

And of course, Starcraft is just a watered down version of WH40K mixed in with some Aliens and Predator. WH40k is nothing more than Warhammer Fantasy in space (except way more awesome). Warhammer Fantasy is...etc.

[hoodaticus]

Kamfrenchie wrote...

Arguing with blueprotoss is an exercise in futility. Save your tme and ignore him

[hoodaticus]

AlanC9 wrote...

eddieoctane wrote...

My point was that he ceased using the title when he ceased using his degree. Ray has not. If you have a Ph.D. in neurolinguistics, you can call yourself "doctor" while researchign or lecturing on the topic. When you retire and open up a greasy spoon, you lose all right to that title. The pilot was just the first case that sprang to mind, as it's an actual one I know of.  But regardless of the scenario, a doctor is as much a job as it is a degree. .

Who said that's the rule? The couple of retired doctors I've met were called "doctor" to the end of their days.

Lucky them.  If your profession used to not have doctorate degrees, you get called "mister" to the end of time.  No one calls me "doctor" even though I am a doctor of jurisprudence (J.D.).  Though, if I ever were called as an expert witness to testify about the law on the stand (because the judge needed help from a specialist), then I'm supposed to be called "doctor".

[Reptilian Rob]

hoodaticus wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

eddieoctane wrote...

My point was that he ceased using the title when he ceased using his degree. Ray has not. If you have a Ph.D. in neurolinguistics, you can call yourself "doctor" while researchign or lecturing on the topic. When you retire and open up a greasy spoon, you lose all right to that title. The pilot was just the first case that sprang to mind, as it's an actual one I know of.  But regardless of the scenario, a doctor is as much a job as it is a degree. .

Who said that's the rule? The couple of retired doctors I've met were called "doctor" to the end of their days.

Lucky them.  If your profession used to not have doctorate degrees, you get called "mister" to the end of time.  No one calls me "doctor" even though I am a doctor of jurisprudence (J.D.).  Though, if I ever were called as an expert witness to testify about the law on the stand (because the judge needed help from a specialist), then I'm supposed to be called "doctor".

Huh, never knew that about J.Ds. 

The more you know!

[MattFini]

Jesus.

I feel like Liara after Thessia.

Everything has been a lie.

Too funny. I never heard any of this before.

[AlanC9]

hoodaticus wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

Who said that's the rule? The couple of retired doctors I've met were called "doctor" to the end of their days.

Lucky them.  If your profession used to not have doctorate degrees, you get called "mister" to the end of time.  No one calls me "doctor" even though I am a doctor of jurisprudence (J.D.).  Though, if I ever were called as an expert witness to testify about the law on the stand (because the judge needed help from a specialist), then I'm supposed to be called "doctor".

Yeah, that sounds typical. A silly system all around.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

MattFini wrote...

Jesus.

I feel like Liara after Thessia.

Everything has been a lie.

Too funny. I never heard any of this before.

I do, too. It's like every time I think of Mass Effect 3 I see this image:

Modifié par sH0tgUn jUliA, 17 septembre 2012 - 05:05 .

[Reptilian Rob]

MattFini wrote...

Jesus.

I feel like Liara after Thessia.

Everything has been a lie.

Too funny. I never heard any of this before.

I giggled at this, sorry man...

Too funny. 

Modifié par Reptilian Rob, 17 septembre 2012 - 05:30 .

[dorktainian]

art.

[Blueprotoss]

Kamfrenchie wrote...

Reptilian Rob wrote...

Halo took a lot of stuff from Known Space and Ringworld, some from SC but really only the Zerg/Xel Naga. 

Then again, Blizzard are one o those studos that inspires themselves  a lot on other stuff. The zergs were heavily inspired from the tyranids (themselves inspired from aliens)
Though that an still cont as just inspiration.

However, warcraft is a lot closer to pplagiarism with warhammer fantasy

To be fair if you're talking about Warcraft and Warhammer then you should talk about LotR and DnD.  Nothing is completely original especially when video games showed up.

Kamfrenchie wrote...

Arguing with blueprotoss is an exercise in futility. Save your tme and ignore him

How is that when I'm actually debating here and I don't inuslt others unlike you. 

Modifié par Blueprotoss, 17 septembre 2012 - 12:15 .

[Blueprotoss]

Twinzam.V wrote...

Blueprotoss wrote...

If you want to get technical then some of the Terminators can be classified as cyborgs and thats still nothing new. 

No you cant since the skin is there just for camouflage, he just feels the impact of bullets and not pain like a cyborg would. Take the skin from terminator and he would be "meh", rip the skin from a cyborg and he will feel pain since its a living organism.
If you dress up as the president does that make you the president?

Salvation says otherwise.

[Blueprotoss]

HYR 2.0 wrote...

Blueprotoss wrote...

HYR 2.0 wrote...

Lesson learned: if you look hard enough, you can find coincidences.

Also, few things are truly original anymore.

This is very true even when we're talking about Star Wars and Star Trek.

I hardly even read that crap. I don't need to. I can see this for what it is.

It's no different than listing coincidences of JFK and Lincoln's assassinations. All it proves is one thing: if you look hard enough, you can find coincidences and similar things that have come before.

That, and the image maker's obvious bias will no doubt lead him to exaggerate some of those similiarities.

Nothing to see here, move along.

This!

[Blueprotoss]

Mendelevosa wrote...

Blueprotoss wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

were talking about the first Deus Ex game from 2000, the Refuse option came from DE:HR

Either way DE still isn't the 1st while DE and ME have two different universes.  You would have a better chance saying that DE stole from the Matrix or Terminator.

I'm sorry, but it sounds like you have never written a proper school paper before. Just like in a paper, whenever you get ideas from a different source, you MUST give credit to the source that you retrieved your ideas and inspiration. It doesn't matter how much you alter the ideas that you borrow. If you don't give credit to the origin of inspiration and ideas, then you have officially plaigarized. Obviously Bioware has failed to give credit to their source of inspiration.

An ME3's ending is far from plagarism especially when Bioware wasn't sued, stories already have used similar mechanics, and nothing is completely original.  Maybe you should focus on the facts instead of using petty insults especially when Halo copied a lot of Ringworld.

[Blueprotoss]

Baa Baa wrote...

Theobuomai wrote...

Laughed when I read this at Star Control 2's Wiki:

"At the end of the game, it is revealed that this is all a retelling from the player to his grandchildren."

You've got to be ****ing kidding me.
Hey Blueprotoss, please, explain this.

Ignorance must be realy blissful for you especially when the Stargazer scene is a nod to the Princess Bride, which happened to be a movie released in 1987.  Btw story telling epilogues is nothing new in RPGs.

[Blueprotoss]

eddieoctane wrote...

If you have an MD and don't practice medicine, you're not really a doctor anymore. My dad knows a dentist who got a commission in the Navy flying jets. He dropped the "Dr" in favor of being a fightrer pilot. The only reason Ray Muzyka calls himself a doctor is to stroke his own ego.

Anyone can earn the title Docotor because you have earned your doctorite, which is normally 10 to 15 years of schooling.  It sounds like the ego is coming from you based on jealousy.

eddieoctane wrote...

Did those doctors leave medecine behind to persue another profession, or did they become too old to continue practicing? There is a huge difference between those two possibilities, and one of them must apply. And you'll notice that in my post, I said the hypothetical doctor retired and opened a diner. If you insist on being called a doctor at that point, you are very pretentious and want to have an air of authority in your current profession that you haven't earned. And Ray Muzyka has not earned the authority in the gaming community to call himself a doctor. He's exploiting one degree to falsely promote himself.

Its all about respect and I highly doubt that you would earn a doctorite just like most people.

eddieoctane wrote...

Not talking about an FPS though. But if you want to go in that direction, all shooters are a rip off of Spacewar!. And yes, that is an exclamation point followed by a period. The title includes the exclamation point. 1962 top-down competitive shooter with an Aseroids-esque style. In fact, Asteroids was inspired by it.

Nothing is completely original like how Gears of War used Killswitch's cover system. 

Modifié par Blueprotoss, 17 septembre 2012 - 12:35 .

[Emphyr]

It amazes me that so many ME players didnt know about Starcontrol 2 (the adventure)
It still has a very alive fanbase and on their forums Mass Effect is mentioned also a LOT!

The Sc community was very dissapointed with SC3 ( made by a different studio)

Star Control 2 is considered to be one of the best SF games ever made.
Many many many ppl still wish that someday the original team will do a remake ( Kickstarter?)

The creating team (toys for Bob) gave the source code free and fans used it to make an upgraded version.Nowadays fans are working on Starcontrol 2 Project 6014 in a HD version with another gameplay.

Google on Ur quan Masters and you will find the pages and can download it free to use also for win7 and linux.

If you google on youtube about Starcontrol2 and Mass effect you will find many video's in which the games are compared. Starcontrol also had sort of a geth quariuan situation in the game.

Personally i think it is a game that still is a lot of fun to play! (despite the old grapics)
I still love to play SC2 and i cant wait until Project 6014 is ready.

OOps and before someone else will post it.. Star Control 2 was based on even an older game made by Binary systems under the wings of EA!! that game is called Star Flight. ( and later Straflight 2 ) ppl that were in the creating team of Starflight also were presence in the Starcontrol team.



the Ur quan pages are here->

http://sc2.sourceforge.net/

a comparision video about SC2 and ME is here-->



take care!

and go try to play SC2 its fun!!!
edited for typo"s

Modifié par Emphyr, 17 septembre 2012 - 03:25 .

[Reptilian Rob]

Emphyr wrote...

It amazes me that so many ME players didnt know about Starcontrol 2 (the adventure)
It still has a very alive fanbase and on their forums Mass Effect is mentioned also a LOT!

The Sc community was very dissapointed with SC3 ( made by a different studio)

Star Control 2 is considered to be one of the best SF games ever made.
Many many many ppl still wish that someday the original team will do a remake ( Kickstarter?)

The creating team (toys for Bob) gave the source code free and fans used it to make an upgraded version.Nowadays fans are working on Starcontrol 2 Project 6014 in a HD version with another gameplay.

Google on Ur quan Masters and you will find the pages and can download it free to use also for win7 and linux.

If you google on youtube about Starcontrol2 and Mass effect you will find many video's in which the games are compared. Starcontrol also had sort of a geth quariuan situation in the game.

Personally i think it is a game that still is a lot of fun to play! (despite the old grapics)
I still love to play SC2 and i cant wait until Project 6014 is ready.

OOps and before someone else will post it.. Star Control 2 was based on even an older game made by Binary systems under the wings of EA!! that game is called Star Flight. ( and later Straflight 2 ) ppl that were in the creating team of Starflight also were presence in the Starcontrol team.



the Ur quan pages are here->

http://sc2.sourceforge.net/

a comparision video about SC2 and ME is here-->



take care!

and go try to play SC2 its fun!!!
edited for typo"s

I felt kind of stupid, because I remember playing both 2 and 3! It just started coming back to me now, though.

[drayfish]

Blueprotoss wrote...

Ignorance must be realy blissful for you especially when the Stargazer scene is a nod to the Princess Bride, which happened to be a movie released in 1987.  Btw story telling epilogues is nothing new in RPGs.

Stargazer equals Princess Bride.

FACT.

Must be.  Blueprotoss said it.

...It's funny, because I thought using Buzz Aldrin, one of the first men into space, to summarise the theme of humanity's inclination toward mythmaking was a means of colliding our future explorations with the recursive history of storytelling...

But okay, Princess Bride it is.

Modifié par drayfish, 18 septembre 2012 - 11:27 .

[Reptilian Rob]

drayfish wrote...

Blueprotoss wrote...

Ignorance must be realy blissful for you especially when the Stargazer scene is a nod to the Princess Bride, which happened to be a movie released in 1987.  Btw story telling epilogues is nothing new in RPGs.

Stargazer equals Princess Bride.

FACT.

Must be.  Blueprotoss said it.

...It's funny, because I thought using Buzz Aldrin, one of the first men into space, to summarise the theme of humanity's inclination toward mythmaking was means of colliding our future explorations with the recursive history of storytelling...

But okay, Princess Bride it is.

I see someone has been reading a spot of Heinlein.

Bravo, bravo...

[Camthalon]

Eterna5 wrote...

Baa Baa wrote...

Believe it or not, some things actually aren't coincidence.

And so what if they aren't? The Characters, Universe and themes make Mass Effect it's own story, it doesn't matter if they got inspiration from other sources, all stories do that.

Does SC3 have Samara in it? How about legion? Medi-gel? If not then shush, all stories are based on borrowed ideas from other sources, it'a the characters and smaller details that make it it's own story.

The entire Syreen race.  Legion?  Look at the Dakpaklakpak (the spelling comes from memory, so may be wrong).  Medi-Gel?  Game never went indepth when it concerns personal healing as it focused on the space-based aspects of the universe.  It never tried to be a shooter, thank God.

Though they (not the original creators at Toys For Bob) attempted to make Star Control 4 (known as simply StarCon to not confuse people who had not played the previous games) into a Colony Wars knock-off.

[DanielsMind]

coincidence, nothing more.

[Debi-Tage]

Well, speaking of graduate school and doctorate degrees and such...if ME were a dissertation and someone came forward with this, ME's resultant doctorate would likely be revoked by their university and they would be shunned by their profession's community. To me, this is cut an dry plagiarism. Wow.

[Blueprotoss]

drayfish wrote...

Blueprotoss wrote...

Ignorance must be realy blissful for you especially when the Stargazer scene is a nod to the Princess Bride, which happened to be a movie released in 1987.  Btw story telling epilogues is nothing new in RPGs.

Stargazer equals Princess Bride.

FACT.

Must be.  Blueprotoss said it.

...It's funny, because I thought using Buzz Aldrin, one of the first men into space, to summarise the theme of humanity's inclination toward mythmaking was a means of colliding our future explorations with the recursive history of storytelling...

But okay, Princess Bride it is.

Insults are useless just like nippiking on what something borrows from another.  Originality on the level of 100% hasn't really existed for a long time like how most of the sci-fi ideas were tapped out in the 70s and 80s.

[Blueprotoss]

DanielsMind wrote...

coincidence, nothing more.

Yep and anything could be labeled as plagarism in one way or another.