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[ZeCollectorDestroya]

Bioware also recycles characters. Liara, Merrill (That bony Elf thing from DA2) Mission Vao...? Carth and Kaiden?

HK-47 and Legion? It's clear that the Mass Effect universe pays homage to Star Wars. Except that there is no Sith...massive disappointment.

[GreyLycanTrope]

Taboo-XX wrote...

Well **** Robert.

I'd pass this off as a coincidence but the Synthesis ending looks like the ending to Transformers Beast Wars Machines so at this point I'm not ruling anything out.

There was a critical error in you post, I fixed it.

[JBPBRC]

ZeCollectorDestroya wrote...

Bioware also recycles characters. Liara, Merrill (That bony Elf thing from DA2) Mission Vao...? Carth and Kaiden?

HK-47 and Legion? It's clear that the Mass Effect universe pays homage to Star Wars. Except that there is no Sith...massive disappointment.

Legion a recycled HK-47?! The insult! HK-47 is vastly superior to Legion. The only thing they have in common is that they're both synthetic companions. The other comparisons though...yeah. Pretty much.

They DID recycle HK-47's speech pattern with the Elcor though. Made me do a double-take the first time I heard an Elcor talk. <_<

[Baa Baa]

Jade8aby88 wrote...

wow, just wow!

Arcian wrote...

Edolix wrote...

I'm speechless.

mongoosephantom wrote...

Ok... What.. the.. F***?

[Kia Purity]

... WTF Bioware?

Just... WTF?!

Also, Carth and Kaidan are not the same character goddamn you. They just have the same voice actor. If anything, Carth and Thane have more in common: dead wife, angry enstrangled son.

Modifié par Kia Purity, 15 septembre 2012 - 01:40 .

[eddieoctane]

Greylycantrope wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

Well **** Robert.

I'd pass this off as a coincidence but the Synthesis ending looks like the ending to Transformers Beast Wars Machines so at this point I'm not ruling anything out.

There was a critical error in you post, I fixed it.

This has been addressed so many times that I'm not sure if your serious or  just satirizing ME3 with your lack of originality.

[Dilos01]

Anyone remember a 1999 flight simulation game called FreeSpace 2?  A critically-acclaimed game that featured a very compelling story.  One of the main antagonists were the Shivans, who are portrayed as the most advanced space-farring race and are behind many of the technologies the Terrans and Vasudans use in their fleet.  Admiral Aken Bosch, who led a rebel movement called the Neo-Terran Front (NTF), tries to disrupt this peace union between the Terrans and Vasudans.  When his rebellion falls apart, he reaches out to the Shivans and tries to forge an alliance with them.  However this plan backs fire fast and Bosch is eventually betrayed by his own desperation and interest in the enemy.  

Bosch and the NTF are almost similar to what T.I.M and Ceberus stand for in the ME universe; both organizations and their leaders distrust other species and both seek out an all-mighty foe who threatens the known galaxy.  The Shivans are like the Reapers to an extent; they're both highly advanced races that have enigmatic motives (at least one of them does) and both threaten the protagonist and their allies.  

Now for those who believe I'm not making much sense, allow me to direct you to this link on wikipedia that'll elaborate more on what I'm talking about:

http://en.wikipedia....iki/FreeSpace_2

Begin Speculating!

[Code_R]

Hahahaha

[Dubozz]

 Played Starcon 1 back in the days, great game. Never got my hands on SC2 though. So i opened Starcon wikia...

The Syreen are a sexy race of Amazonian women. They have no males to breed with. Perhaps you can help them out with that.


A long extinct race that left behind various artifacts and devices, the Precursors must have been incredibly advanced technologically. It is popularly believed that they became so advanced they "transcended to a higher plane". The Precursors left behind many clues to where they went. The height of Precursor culture seems to have been approximately 250,000 Earth years ago.1 Despite their widespread presence, it appears that the Precursors vanished from the galactic scene quite suddenly, leaving no indication as to why


The Thraddash look like bipedal, plated, hornless rhinoceroses, with strong muscled arms, a thick, tough skin and a mean temper. The Thraddash talk tough and act even tougher, usually smoking cigars in their cockpits. They have little or no respect for anything aside from force, which they admire greatly. 
Thraddash history has witnessed the rise and fall of 18 different planetary cultures. Each time their culture reached a certain point a new ideology for a more perfect culture arrived, and they fought a bitter war eventually blasting themselves back usually 500 years in development, and started a new culture from scratch. 

:wizard:

Modifié par Dubozz, 15 septembre 2012 - 02:21 .

[GreyLycanTrope]

eddieoctane wrote...

This has been addressed so many times that I'm not sure if your serious or  just satirizing ME3 with your lack of originality.

can't be both?

[Magiking117]

Wow, that's just shameless.

[3DandBeyond]

Well if you look further, they also attempt to pay unreferenced homage to Dan Simmons' Hyperion book series. They use names like Hegemonic Crux (Simmons had the Hegemony-sound familiar), and a captain working for the Hyperium. In the Hyperion books, you have the Shrike (sound familiar) as well.

I keep wondering how then anyone can still say this is their story. I don't have a problem with taking inspiration from any source, but then if you take whole themes and parts from those sources and just rename people and change their looks slightly, it is not truly original. So, don't pass it off as such.

[AlanC9]

Dilos01 wrote...

Anyone remember a 1999 flight simulation game called FreeSpace 2?  

Freespace 1 also applies. The Shivans have a super dreadnought in that game which is absolutely untouchable by conventional weapons. But records of the Ancients reveal a way to destroy it. In the course of the battle, the hyperspace path to Earth is destroyed, leaving the planet cut off from the rest of the galaxy - the Vasudan homeworld, meanwhile, has been bombarded to bits.

For more strictly gameplay elements, how about Wing Commander 3? The game is about a galactic war which will end either in victory or in the destruction of Earth; the war is being lost conventionally, and only a super- weapon can turn the tide. You have a ship you walk around on between missions, and conversations with NPCs  on board are almost identical to ME's system. Except that there are only two options, ever, due to the limits of FMV.

Oh, and a key plot point makes no sense because the scene explaining it was cut. ( It was actually shot, but didn't fit on the 4 CDs).

[teh DRUMPf!!]

Lesson learned: if you look hard enough, you can find coincidences.

Also, few things are truly original anymore.

[AlanC9]

3DandBeyond wrote...

Well if you look further, they also attempt to pay unreferenced homage to Dan Simmons' Hyperion book series. They use names like Hegemonic Crux (Simmons had the Hegemony-sound familiar), and a captain working for the Hyperium. In the Hyperion books, you have the Shrike (sound familiar) as well.

I keep wondering how then anyone can still say this is their story. I don't have a problem with taking inspiration from any source, but then if you take whole themes and parts from those sources and just rename people and change their looks slightly, it is not truly original. So, don't pass it off as such.

Wait...... It's SC3 that put in the Hyperion references you mention there. Are you criticizing the SC3 designers, or are the two paragraphs here supposed to be unrelated?

Or is there a missing paragraph where you mention the important things ME took from Hyperion, like blowing the relays and an AI-human conflict? I guess wrapping up the series with space magic counts too.

[ddraigcoch123]

Ah nothing is truly new under this sun or any other sun in the galaxy, including binary stars where twice as much isn't new...
All original thought obviously happened before anyone who was around realised how revolutionary it was.. or they couldn't find a pencil that would work in zero grav...

[o Ventus]

[3DandBeyond]

AlanC9 wrote...

3DandBeyond wrote...

Well if you look further, they also attempt to pay unreferenced homage to Dan Simmons' Hyperion book series. They use names like Hegemonic Crux (Simmons had the Hegemony-sound familiar), and a captain working for the Hyperium. In the Hyperion books, you have the Shrike (sound familiar) as well.

I keep wondering how then anyone can still say this is their story. I don't have a problem with taking inspiration from any source, but then if you take whole themes and parts from those sources and just rename people and change their looks slightly, it is not truly original. So, don't pass it off as such.

Wait...... It's SC3 that put in the Hyperion references you mention there. Are you criticizing the SC3 designers, or are the two paragraphs here supposed to be unrelated?

Or is there a missing paragraph where you mention the important things ME took from Hyperion, like blowing the relays and an AI-human conflict? I guess wrapping up the series with space magic counts too.

I said, SC3 uses Hyperion references and implied that there are obvious connections all over the place since ME3 also used Hyperion names and some ideas and uses SC3's themes and all in part as well.  I think obvious connections become obvious. 

I was merely stating that ME3 is touted by mostly fans and reviewers as being BW's untouchable original art (BW never specifically said this, but MW I think said that couldn't write a different story).  I've also seen people outraged that someone might suggest they change what is their original IP.  All the previous things borrowed from indicate they already used other people's IP for more than just inspiration.  I have no problem with that, but don't try to tell me it's as if they created something brand new that followed their own original ideas.

They borrowed ideas from all over the place and from funny sources, so other people have always asserted it's wrong for them to even just toy with the notion of listening to ideas from fans that buy their stuff. 

Deus ex (2000 game) was created in part to ridicule the use of DEM's in videogames and stories.  So, at the end of ME3, the writers borrowed from it in creating their version of a DEM (backwards and upside down one) and using control, merge, and destroy (and now refuse from HR) within that.  You can't ignore the irony of that.  And you can't then assert they did something amazingly original.  In fact, the creator of Deus ex wasn't trying to put forth this as original, he was making fun of unoriginal games.


If you take a look at that Beastmasters Transformers cartoon video with a synthesis ending, there is no way to not see that things are not just being used as inspiration but are used almost wholly.  I'm not at all criticizing the use of things for inspiration or even the use of whole parts of other stories, but do it well and then don't act like (and reviewers and fans don't claim) that it's as if you had a dream one night and thought up this story.  You didn't.  You borrowed it from someone else.

Modifié par 3DandBeyond, 15 septembre 2012 - 04:52 .

[MegaSovereign]

Mass Effect is like a synthesis of all sci-fis combined.

[3DandBeyond]

MegaSovereign wrote...

Mass Effect is like a synthesis of all sci-fis combined.

This is correct.

[TheRealJayDee]

All this has happened before, and all this will happen again.

[Raizo]

ZIPO396 wrote...

Have you read the Star control 3 wiki entry? I find the section under Reception rather funny.

**** Me! How about that for a coincidence. I guess ME3 = Star Control 3 isn't too far fethched right now.

[eddieoctane]

3DandBeyond wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

Mass Effect is like a synthesis of all sci-fis combined.

This is correct.

Doesn't mean it was a good idea on BioWare's part.

[DuffyMJ]

Western Civ. loves retelling stories celebrating individuality standing against the forces of the universe/evil, self-sacrifice, and salvation for all humanity. It might be a little repetitive, but its the reason our society has firemen and police that run into burning buildings, ladies who work 3 jobs to feed their family, and so on.