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[Baa Baa]

Eterna5 wrote...

Baa Baa wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

Baa Baa wrote...

Believe it or not, some things actually aren't coincidence.

And so what if they aren't? The Characters, Universe and themes make Mass Effect it's own story, it doesn't matter if they got inspiration from other sources, all stories do that.

Does SC3 have Samara in it? How about legion? Medi-gel? If not then shush, all stories are based on borrowed ideas from other sources, it'a the characters and smaller details that make it it's own story.

This crosses the line between inspiration and total rip off.

So if I make a movie about a giant monster rampaging through New York city am I ripping off of Godzilla?

No you're ripping off Cloverfield.

[Twinzam.V]

Eterna5 wrote...

Baa Baa wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

Baa Baa wrote...

Believe it or not, some things actually aren't coincidence.

And so what if they aren't? The Characters, Universe and themes make Mass Effect it's own story, it doesn't matter if they got inspiration from other sources, all stories do that.

Does SC3 have Samara in it? How about legion? Medi-gel? If not then shush, all stories are based on borrowed ideas from other sources, it'a the characters and smaller details that make it it's own story.

This crosses the line between inspiration and total rip off.

So if I make a movie about a giant monster rampaging through New York city am I ripping off of Godzilla?

If the monster is Godzilla and the title of the movie doesnt have Godzilla in it then i would say yes...

Also on a side note a movie with Godzilla  in it and in the title and in New York (Manhattan) doesnt mean it would be a cannon Godzilla movie.... or even a good Godzilla movie.

Modifié par Twinzam.V, 15 septembre 2012 - 09:35 .

[o Ventus]

Eterna5 wrote...

Baa Baa wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

Baa Baa wrote...

Believe it or not, some things actually aren't coincidence.

And so what if they aren't? The Characters, Universe and themes make Mass Effect it's own story, it doesn't matter if they got inspiration from other sources, all stories do that.

Does SC3 have Samara in it? How about legion? Medi-gel? If not then shush, all stories are based on borrowed ideas from other sources, it'a the characters and smaller details that make it it's own story.

This crosses the line between inspiration and total rip off.

So if I make a movie about a giant monster rampaging through New York city am I ripping off of Godzilla?

If your monster is a giant mutated dinosaur and happens to be named Zodgilla, yes.

But y'know, fallacious blanket statements work too.

[Morty Smith]

Eterna5 wrote...

Baa Baa wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

Baa Baa wrote...

Believe it or not, some things actually aren't coincidence.

And so what if they aren't? The Characters, Universe and themes make Mass Effect it's own story, it doesn't matter if they got inspiration from other sources, all stories do that.

Does SC3 have Samara in it? How about legion? Medi-gel? If not then shush, all stories are based on borrowed ideas from other sources, it'a the characters and smaller details that make it it's own story.

This crosses the line between inspiration and total rip off.

So if I make a movie about a giant monster rampaging through New York city am I ripping off of Godzilla?

Yep.

[AresKeith]

Eterna5 wrote...

Baa Baa wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

Baa Baa wrote...

Believe it or not, some things actually aren't coincidence.

And so what if they aren't? The Characters, Universe and themes make Mass Effect it's own story, it doesn't matter if they got inspiration from other sources, all stories do that.

Does SC3 have Samara in it? How about legion? Medi-gel? If not then shush, all stories are based on borrowed ideas from other sources, it'a the characters and smaller details that make it it's own story.

This crosses the line between inspiration and total rip off.

So if I make a movie about a giant monster rampaging through New York city am I ripping off of Godzilla?

thats copyright

[Mr.House]

It's not a rip off of Godzila if it's a monster that came out of a blackhole and started to eat New York and it is not a reptile.

Modifié par Mr.House, 15 septembre 2012 - 09:33 .

[The Night Mammoth]

Eterna5 wrote...

Baa Baa wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

Baa Baa wrote...

Believe it or not, some things actually aren't coincidence.

And so what if they aren't? The Characters, Universe and themes make Mass Effect it's own story, it doesn't matter if they got inspiration from other sources, all stories do that.

Does SC3 have Samara in it? How about legion? Medi-gel? If not then shush, all stories are based on borrowed ideas from other sources, it'a the characters and smaller details that make it it's own story.

This crosses the line between inspiration and total rip off.

So if I make a movie about a giant monster rampaging through New York city am I ripping off of Godzilla?

If you make a movie about a giant lizard that was created by the fallout of humanity's nuclear acivity attacking New York, then yeah.

There's a fine line between inspiration and plagarism, and I'm not sure which side ME3 is on. 

[Baa Baa]

Blueprotoss wrote...

Baa Baa wrote...

Blueprotoss wrote...

Yet it is just like Deus Ex wasn't the 1st especially when DE: HR came out in 2011.

.....What:huh:?

The Matrix, Robocop, Blade Runner, and theTerminator were influeneces for DE. I was talking about the ending before that comment. I said theres no justification for how much the ME3 Vanilla ending and DX ending related. Matrix, Robocop, Bladerunner, and Terminator did not end like DX or ME3. That's a totally different arguement.

Baa Baa wrote...

This crosses the line between inspiration and total rip off.

How when nothing has been completely original for decades epsecially with what Star Trek and Star Wars did. When something has this much of a resemblance to another game: entire plot, antagonists, locations, and characters, it's reasonable to think it's not a coincidence. Just because everything isn't entirely original anymore, does not mean that things like this should just go unnoticed or excused.

[AresKeith]

Mr.House wrote...

It's not a rip off of Godzila if it's a monster that came out of a blackhole and started to eat New York and it is not a reptile.

then it wouldn't be a rip-off, but you took inspiration from Godzilla

[Eterna]

The Night Mammoth wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

Baa Baa wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

Baa Baa wrote...

Believe it or not, some things actually aren't coincidence.

And so what if they aren't? The Characters, Universe and themes make Mass Effect it's own story, it doesn't matter if they got inspiration from other sources, all stories do that.

Does SC3 have Samara in it? How about legion? Medi-gel? If not then shush, all stories are based on borrowed ideas from other sources, it'a the characters and smaller details that make it it's own story.

This crosses the line between inspiration and total rip off.

So if I make a movie about a giant monster rampaging through New York city am I ripping off of Godzilla?

If you make a movie about a giant lizard that was created by the fallout of humanity's nuclear acivity attacking New York, then yeah.

There's a fine line between inspiration and plagarism, and I'm not sure which side ME3 is on. 

I don't think you know what plagerism means. 

[Mr.House]

AresKeith wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

It's not a rip off of Godzila if it's a monster that came out of a blackhole and started to eat New York and it is not a reptile.

then it wouldn't be a rip-off, but you took inspiration from Godzilla

And your point is? Nothing is orginal, every story has inspiration, it's how you do your idea that matters.

[Twinzam.V]

AresKeith wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

It's not a rip off of Godzila if it's a monster that came out of a blackhole and started to eat New York and it is not a reptile.

then it wouldn't be a rip-off, but you took inspiration from Godzilla

Here's inspiration.

[Baa Baa]

Eterna5 wrote...

The Night Mammoth wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

Baa Baa wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

Baa Baa wrote...

Believe it or not, some things actually aren't coincidence.

And so what if they aren't? The Characters, Universe and themes make Mass Effect it's own story, it doesn't matter if they got inspiration from other sources, all stories do that.

Does SC3 have Samara in it? How about legion? Medi-gel? If not then shush, all stories are based on borrowed ideas from other sources, it'a the characters and smaller details that make it it's own story.

This crosses the line between inspiration and total rip off.

So if I make a movie about a giant monster rampaging through New York city am I ripping off of Godzilla?

If you make a movie about a giant lizard that was created by the fallout of humanity's nuclear acivity attacking New York, then yeah.

There's a fine line between inspiration and plagarism, and I'm not sure which side ME3 is on. 

I don't think you know what plagerism means. 

"The practice of taking someone else's work or ideas and passing them off as one's own."
How does that not fit with what he was speaking of?

[The Night Mammoth]

Eterna5 wrote...

I don't think you know what plagerism means. 

Wrong word then, couldn't think of one that fit better. 

Thanks for the assh*le response though. 

Modifié par The Night Mammoth, 15 septembre 2012 - 09:39 .

[o Ventus]

Eterna5 wrote...

I don't think you know what plagerism means. 

http://en.wikipedia....wiki/Plagiarism

It's plagiarism.

[Chaotic-Fusion]

The endings don't just copy Deus EX and DX:HR. The execution of synthesis is basically the Helios ending from Invisible war. Where the protagonist merges with Helios and sends Biomods to integrate with everyone on Earth, thereby bringing peace.

Hudson and Walters must have loved that series, indeed.

[IndustrializedTaco]

It honestly doesn't bother me one bit. Games do this all the time. I mean how many COD clones have I seen in the last decade?

[Baa Baa]

Mr.House wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

It's not a rip off of Godzila if it's a monster that came out of a blackhole and started to eat New York and it is not a reptile.

then it wouldn't be a rip-off, but you took inspiration from Godzilla

And your point is? Nothing is orginal, every story has inspiration, it's how you do your idea that matters.

Yes! In DXHR they even make a joke about Jensen's situation being similar to that of Robocop. They are aware that their story has inspiration from this movie, they won't deny it, but when you rip something off and then pass it off as your own that's plagerism.

[AresKeith]

Mr.House wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

It's not a rip off of Godzila if it's a monster that came out of a blackhole and started to eat New York and it is not a reptile.

then it wouldn't be a rip-off, but you took inspiration from Godzilla

And your point is? Nothing is orginal, every story has inspiration, it's how you do your idea that matters.

exactly, thats what were talking about but the ME3 endings aren't like that though

[Mr.House]

Baa Baa wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

It's not a rip off of Godzila if it's a monster that came out of a blackhole and started to eat New York and it is not a reptile.

then it wouldn't be a rip-off, but you took inspiration from Godzilla

And your point is? Nothing is orginal, every story has inspiration, it's how you do your idea that matters.

Yes! In DXHR they even make a joke about Jensen's situation being similar to that of Robocop. They are aware that their story has inspiration from this movie, they won't deny it, but when you rip something off and then pass it off as your own that's plagerism.

They have in fact admiited Robocop and Blade Runner where big iinspirations for Dues Ex:HR. However HR is not a rip off of either because the devs still made it their own, and admited they where inspired and even made small nods to those two movies.

And that's fine, however what Bioware did with ME3's ending is not fine. For many reasons.  It being a rip off is one reason.

Modifié par Mr.House, 15 septembre 2012 - 09:44 .

[Baa Baa]

Mr.House wrote...

Baa Baa wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

It's not a rip off of Godzila if it's a monster that came out of a blackhole and started to eat New York and it is not a reptile.

then it wouldn't be a rip-off, but you took inspiration from Godzilla

And your point is? Nothing is orginal, every story has inspiration, it's how you do your idea that matters.

Yes! In DXHR they even make a joke about Jensen's situation being similar to that of Robocop. They are aware that their story has inspiration from this movie, they won't deny it, but when you rip something off and then pass it off as your own that's plagerism.

They have in fact admiited Robocop and Blade Runner where big iinspirations for Dues Ex:HR. However HR is not a rip off of either because the devs still made it their own, and admited they where inspired and even made small nods to those two movies.

And that's fine, however what Bioware did with ME3's ending is not fine. For many reasons.  It being a rip off is one reason.

As well as Ghost in the Shell (where they got the mechs from).

[DuffyMJ]

eddieoctane wrote...

DuffyMJ wrote...

Western Civ. loves retelling stories celebrating individuality standing against the forces of the universe/evil, self-sacrifice, and salvation for all humanity. It might be a little repetitive, but its the reason our society has firemen and police that run into burning buildings, ladies who work 3 jobs to feed their family, and so on.

Except the stories that cultures have held as sacrosanct usually involve the sacrifice of the hero resulting in the survivors benefiting in a way more than mere survival. Arthur's death doesn't result in Camelot imploding. Shepard's demise resulted in the total downfall of civilization before the EC. Huge difference there.

Well, even before EC living things were free of the cycle of extinction forever and were given the gift of self-determination which they'd never had before, that's pretty chill.

I actually don't like that the new endings have the relay damage being minimal... It's like mice breaking free of the maze only to decide they prefer life in the maze.

[Twinzam.V]

Mr.House wrote...

Baa Baa wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

It's not a rip off of Godzila if it's a monster that came out of a blackhole and started to eat New York and it is not a reptile. 

then it wouldn't be a rip-off, but you took inspiration from Godzilla

And your point is? Nothing is orginal, every story has inspiration, it's how you do your idea that matters. 

Yes! In DXHR they even make a joke about Jensen's situation being similar to that of Robocop. They are aware that their story has inspiration from this movie, they won't deny it, but when you rip something off and then pass it off as your own that's plagerism. 

They have in fact admiited Robocop and Blade Runner where big iinspirations for Dues Ex:HR. However HR is not a rip off of either because the devs still made it their own, and admited they where inspired and even made small nods to those two movies. 

And that's fine, however what Bioware did with ME3's ending is not fine. For many reasons.  It being a rip off is one reason. 

 

DE: HR or DE (3 choices, pick one the game ends)

ME3 (3 choices, pick one game ends)

That's not inspiration and it's wrong calling it inspiration.

Modifié par Twinzam.V, 15 septembre 2012 - 09:55 .

[Baa Baa]

Twinzam.V wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

They have in fact admiited Robocop and Blade Runner where big iinspirations for Dues Ex:HR. However HR is not a rip off of either because the devs still made it their own, and admited they where inspired and even made small nods to those two movies.

And that's fine, however what Bioware did with ME3's ending is not fine. For many reasons.  It being a rip off is one reason.

DE: HR or DE (3 choices, pick one the game ends)

ME3 (3 choices, pick one game ends)

That's not inspiration.

I wouldn't say that just having 3 endings to your game automatically makes you plagerising.
But what does is having Synthesis, Control, and Destroy and put into your game when it's already been done before with those same options.

[AresKeith]

Baa Baa wrote...

Twinzam.V wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

They have in fact admiited Robocop and Blade Runner where big iinspirations for Dues Ex:HR. However HR is not a rip off of either because the devs still made it their own, and admited they where inspired and even made small nods to those two movies.

And that's fine, however what Bioware did with ME3's ending is not fine. For many reasons.  It being a rip off is one reason.

DE: HR or DE (3 choices, pick one the game ends)

ME3 (3 choices, pick one game ends)

That's not inspiration.

I wouldn't say that just having 3 endings to your game automatically makes you plagerising.
But what does is having Synthesis, Control, and Destroy and put into your game when it's already been done before with those same options.

and the color of those choices too lol

but I still feel that the ending shouldn't have given us a choice anyway