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[Obeded the 2nd]

 I say this as everytime I go to see any of my relatives (go to see my parents etc.) they always make fun of me for playing video games.
For instance every time I leave my parents house my mum always says "off to play more games!"
Now sure, I play games a lot, but so what, why does it matter? My mum likes bird watching but I never make fun about it, so she shouldn't make fun of my intrests right? Apperantly not.
I always get this feeling that unless you are a gamer you just dont get it. Just my little rant, discuss below!

[A Crusty Knight Of Colour]

It's a misconception, definitely.

But the games industry and it's satellite industries (journalism, etc) haven't done a whole lot to break that misconception.

As for why it's perceived to be childish:

Modifié par CrustyBot, 15 septembre 2012 - 06:08 .

[Dominus]

When people think of a certain medium, they'll likely think about the most popular of the titles. Here's the list of best selling video games. Nearly all of these involve either

a) Gratuitious violence
Cartoony Mascots
c) Virtually no meaningful storylines, or otherwise are Gameplay-heavy.

What does this say to a parent?

But the games industry and it's satellite industries (journalism, etc) haven't done a whole lot to break that misconception. 

Pretty much this as well. It's a misconception that will never dissolve completely. Perhaps it's gotten better over the years, but not by much.

Also, that didn't help.

Modifié par DominusVita, 15 septembre 2012 - 06:08 .

[Obeded the 2nd]

CrustyBot wrote...

It's a misconception, definitely.

But the games industry and it's satellite industries (journalism, etc) haven't done a whole lot to break that misconception.

It's f****** annoying.

[Allan Schumacher]

EDIT:

Anyways....

In large part because it's "tradition."  Higher profile gaming in the 80s and 90s belonged to minors IMO.  But yeah, when things become caricatures and whatnot, it can be tricky to take things seriously.

I mean, look at the way women are often portrayed in games.  It's hard to really take stuff like that seriously.

Modifié par Allan Schumacher, 15 septembre 2012 - 06:10 .

[Il Divo]

It also doesn't help that when a disinterested observer looks at a game, they do it with a completely different set of eyes.

Even if you take something like Spec Ops: The Line, which has been applauded for its more dire approach to war, to a casual observer might seem no different than Call of Duty: watching a bad-ass marine as he murders people.

[Obeded the 2nd]

Wait, people still watch fox?

[Kaiser Arian XVII]

Because they're IMAGINARY & UNREAL, NOT MANLY and CONSUMING your mind!

You should do more REAL, MANLY and PRODUCTIVE hobbies! blah blah..

[Ridwan]

CrustyBot wrote...

It's a misconception, definitely.

But the games industry and it's satellite industries (journalism, etc) haven't done a whole lot to break that misconception.

As for why it's perceived to be childish:

Mario games aren't considered childish. Everyone loves them.

Pretend adult games like God of War, however are considered childish.

[Ridwan]

Allan Schumacher wrote...

EDIT:

Anyways....

In large part because it's "tradition."  Higher profile gaming in the 80s and 90s belonged to minors IMO.  But yeah, when things become caricatures and whatnot, it can be tricky to take things seriously.

I mean, look at the way women are often portrayed in games.  It's hard to really take stuff like that seriously.

"Games are art and should be taken serious!"

People complaining about half naked women.

"Oh my God, relax it's only a game"

Typical gamer logic I'm afraid.

[Rockworm503]

Obeded the 2nd wrote...

Wait, people still watch fox?

Yes... unfortunately... And they treat it like its the only trustworthy news channel.... Ironic...

Anyway the other misconception seems to be that gamers can't focus... When I'm busy with work or something I can totally focus... Ok here's the thing I can chew bubble gum and walk at the same time.. Just because I"m talking games with someone doesn't mean I can't work too.

[Obeded the 2nd]

Rockworm503 wrote...

Obeded the 2nd wrote...

Wait, people still watch fox?

Yes... unfortunately... And they treat it like its the only trustworthy news channel.... Ironic...

Anyway the other misconception seems to be that gamers can't focus... When I'm busy with work or something I can totally focus... Ok here's the thing I can chew bubble gum and walk at the same time.. Just because I"m talking games with someone doesn't mean I can't work too.

Yep, I hat the negative focus on games.
My relative are so annoying about it sometimes.

[Obeded the 2nd]

Imperial Sentinel Arian wrote...

Because they're IMAGINARY & UNREAL, NOT MANLY and CONSUMING your mind!

You should do more REAL, MANLY and PRODUCTIVE hobbies! blah blah..

Well I killed a dragon yesterday, I'd say thats manly.

[A Crusty Knight Of Colour]

M25105 wrote...

Allan Schumacher wrote...

EDIT:

Anyways....

In large part because it's "tradition."  Higher profile gaming in the 80s and 90s belonged to minors IMO.  But yeah, when things become caricatures and whatnot, it can be tricky to take things seriously.

I mean, look at the way women are often portrayed in games.  It's hard to really take stuff like that seriously.

"Games are art and should be taken serious!"

People complaining about half naked women.

"Oh my God, relax it's only a game"

Typical gamer logic I'm afraid.

I actually think that the whole pursuit of GAMES AS ART is part of why gaming might be seen as childish.

Generally speaking the gaming media and gamers themselves happily latch themselves onto the bandwagon of GAMES THAT ARE ART, trying to demonstrate to the world "SEE, WE'RE GROWN UPS TOO, GAMES ARE ART JUST LIKE FILM AND LITERATURE!".

All that demonstrates is the collective insecurity of gamers about their hobby and the way they try to defend it is often childish in itself.

Doesn't help that for some reason, gamers as a whole are a pretty immature bunch to boot.

But try being a sports fan and a gamer at the same time.

I'm both a neanderthal who lacks the intelligence to appreciate more refined forms of entertainment and a nerdy manchild, depending on who you ask.

Modifié par CrustyBot, 15 septembre 2012 - 06:22 .

[Fidget6]

M25105 wrote...

Allan Schumacher wrote...

EDIT:

Anyways....

In large part because it's "tradition."  Higher profile gaming in the 80s and 90s belonged to minors IMO.  But yeah, when things become caricatures and whatnot, it can be tricky to take things seriously.

I mean, look at the way women are often portrayed in games.  It's hard to really take stuff like that seriously.

"Games are art and should be taken serious!"

People complaining about half naked women.

"Oh my God, relax it's only a game"

Typical gamer logic I'm afraid.

Replace the word games with movies and you could say the same thing. Yet movies aren't typically considered childish.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Every (relatively) new medium is met with some contempt. For a long time TV was considered the source of all evil (well still is for a number of people) and that books were the most superior thing ever necessarily. There came a time when theater was considered heretical in some parts at its time (a religious argument was made that acting is akin to lying).

So it's not surprising that a relatively new medium is seen with some feeling of superiority.

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 15 septembre 2012 - 06:48 .

[Fisto The Sexbot]

Allan Schumacher wrote...

EDIT:

Anyways....

In large part because it's "tradition."  Higher profile gaming in the 80s and 90s belonged to minors IMO.  But yeah, when things become caricatures and whatnot, it can be tricky to take things seriously.

I mean, look at the way women are often portrayed in games.  It's hard to really take stuff like that seriously.

So... how are they portrayed? Usually games with superficial female characters tend to have shallow male characters too. It's not necessarily any less stereotypcal if the game is aimed at a male demographic or has a male lead.

[Rockworm503]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Every (relatively) new medium is met with some contempt. For a long time TV was considered the source of all evil (well still is for a number of people) and that books were the most superior thing ever necessarily. There came a time when theater was considered heretical in some parts at its time (a religious argument was made that acting is akin to lying).

So it's not surprising that a relatively new medium is seen with some feeling of superiority.

Believe it or not there are people who go to gaming conventions like E3 and protest.  Guy with a microphone who apperantly goes every year shouts up at it "gamers are going to hell" Its crazy how many people are so stuck in their own ways that any view point that doesn't fit with there's is instantly condemnded to eternal damnation.

[A Crusty Knight Of Colour]

Rockworm503 wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Every (relatively) new medium is met with some contempt. For a long time TV was considered the source of all evil (well still is for a number of people) and that books were the most superior thing ever necessarily. There came a time when theater was considered heretical in some parts at its time (a religious argument was made that acting is akin to lying).

So it's not surprising that a relatively new medium is seen with some feeling of superiority.

Believe it or not there are people who go to gaming conventions like E3 and protest.  Guy with a microphone who apperantly goes every year shouts up at it "gamers are going to hell" Its crazy how many people are so stuck in their own ways that any view point that doesn't fit with there's is instantly condemnded to eternal damnation.

Wow, that's hilarious.

[Allan Schumacher]

Fisto The Sexbot wrote...

So... how are they portrayed? Usually games with superficial female characters tend to have shallow male characters too. It's not necessarily any less stereotypcal if the game is aimed at a male demographic or has a male lead.

The caricatures of females and the caricatures of males in video games are typically designed for a male audience, however.


Unrealistic proportions in women aren't really something women fantasize about being.  Being a cut, hyper reactive super soldier type is much more in line with how more males would like to be though.

Lara Croft's evolution during the early Tomb Raider days wasn't for the benefit of a female audience.

The fact is, you're much more likely to see a thread on a new game forum asking for a more realistic depiction of females in games than you are of men.

[Obeded the 2nd]

Allan Schumacher wrote...

Fisto The Sexbot wrote...

So... how are they portrayed? Usually games with superficial female characters tend to have shallow male characters too. It's not necessarily any less stereotypcal if the game is aimed at a male demographic or has a male lead.

The caricatures of females and the caricatures of males in video games are typically designed for a male audience, however.


Unrealistic proportions in women aren't really something women fantasize about being.  Being a cut, hyper reactive super soldier type is much more in line with how more males would like to be though.

Lara Croft's evolution during the early Tomb Raider days wasn't for the benefit of a female audience.

The fact is, you're much more likely to see a thread on a new game forum asking for a more realistic depiction of females in games than you are of men.

I gotta disagree with you saying how women are portrayed poorly.
They are portrayed as sexy but think about action movies there's no ugly girl who the main character bangs.
Games are the same since there all action movies, well sorta.
And if I was into action movies as much as I am games ( I would be if they wern't so bad) This wouldn't be happening.
And as for thier personality, well maybe but not all games do that , just like the movies!

[Milan92]

 My parents don't see gaming as something childish. More as just a normal hobby like my stepdad likes to sculpture and my mom loves to read.
They don't understand the fun in shooter games though, but they don't call me childish for playing games. And whenever they say that I shouldn't become addicted I always counter with that they should be happy I'm not addicted to drugs and alcohol 

[nhcre8tv1]

I'm going to have to somewhat agree with CrustyBot. Besides the Mario thing. Everyone likes Mario.

I also hate arguing with people who dislike them, it's frustrating, but I take comfort in the fact that they're old.

It's just going to take time, like any medium. There are already games out there that could push the medium forward as an art and an entertainment, they just haven't been discovered yet because the general public doesn't care about things that aren't Call of Duty or Angry Birds. A lot like how the general public doesn't care about things that aren't The Hunger Games or Harry Potter.

[RedArmyShogun]

Hey now Mario stomps ass, litterally.

As to that, culture, its became so mainstream to say games are toys and thus for kids or grown men who have no life, or ugly women to play. Its like saying a black person has to have kool-aid and chicken in the fridge. Or that all Jews are filthy rich.

Heck even when its proven otherwise, this society for all its claims of being Open and tolerant is actully very narrowminded with its world view. Its like the countless times someones defended gaming or went "Oh actully most people who game are in there 20's and 30's." the news crews always act so shocked. Then again considering all the drugs and drinking parties I suspect they go to this forgetfulness can be looked aside.