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[crimzontearz]

funny, I would have, and will given the chance,

- sacrifice Earth
- sacrifice the Normandy
- personally kill Jeff and Edi
- waste both get and Quarians

SOLELY to have Shepard live and reunite with Liara in a proper ****ING EXPLICIT SCENE. Is that enough sacrifice for the mature cool dark and edgy crowd? Do I earn my goddamn ending then? Anything else I need to make die in a sad tear-jerking way so that I can enjoy the way I wanted MY story to end without someone trying to tell me how my tastes are objectively unenlightened and how their preferences are sullied by the very resistance of an alternative?


oh, wait, I am sorry I forgot this is Mac and Casey's story not mine anymore

[Snoopy1955]

We are lead to believe that Shepard saves the galaxy in every ending other than refuse. How much more happy does it need to be?

Everyone says that the endings aren't happy enough, or are too dark. Aside from the theme of self-sacrifice which is repeated over and over and over again in ME3. I'm sure I could have come up with more video examples on youtube to add a few more "over"s, but really, is it necessary?

The point is, that people sacrificing themselves for the greater good of other people is a pattern that is very well established in ME3. It is one of those things that you see in the game over and over again, and it is actually one of those things that is done fairly well, if you ask me.

If there is a problem with the end of ME3, it is not that Shepard sacrifices himself to save the galaxy. That is a pretty solidly established theme.

[Iakus]

Snoopy1955 wrote...

We are lead to believe that Shepard saves the galaxy in every ending other than refuse. How much more happy does it need to be?

Everyone says that the endings aren't happy enough, or are too dark. Aside from the theme of self-sacrifice which is repeated over and over and over again in ME3. I'm sure I could have come up with more video examples on youtube to add a few more "over"s, but really, is it necessary?

The point is, that people sacrificing themselves for the greater good of other people is a pattern that is very well established in ME3. It is one of those things that you see in the game over and over again, and it is actually one of those things that is done fairly well, if you ask me.

If there is a problem with the end of ME3, it is not that Shepard sacrifices himself to save the galaxy. That is a pretty solidly established theme.

And in ME1 and ME2 Shepard saves the galaxy without dying.

This is a trilogy.

[Ticonderoga117]

iakus wrote...
And in ME1 and ME2 Shepard saves the galaxy without dying.

This is a trilogy.

Not dying isn't artsy enough. Needs more death and despair.
I have no idea why though.

[Snoopy1955]

iakus wrote...

And in ME1 and ME2 Shepard saves the galaxy without dying.

What's that?

Oh yes, that's right, this actually isn't the first time that Shepard has died.

Modifié par Snoopy1955, 16 septembre 2012 - 02:19 .

[Gibril]

*turian councilor air quote* Art * turian councilor air quote*, we have dismissed this claim.
I suppose the entire idea was that shepard would have to get his hands dirty, no matter what. One guy said that there had to be sacrifice, if we get a disney ending, we loose out on the tone of the story.
BS.
I lost God knows how many friends.
I might loose all of them.
People that I spent hundreds and hundreds of hours with, over the course of four years and three games.
Having an ending where shepard gets out of the rubble of his own accord and marries his LI? It's not only what I deserve, it's what he deserves. There was sacrifice all through out the game. Throwing more onto the ending because they don't want any idea to appear too good, that's a dumb reason. All choices would have had appeal either way.
Control for the guy who wants ultimate power. *complete with finger lightning and evil cackles*
Synthesis for the guy who's willing to kill himself so everyone else has a good ending.
Destroy for the guy who simply wants to kill the bad guys and go home.

[daecath]

It's because they don't understand what good art really is, so they try to make up for it by trying too hard to be edgy and dark, thinking that that will automatically make it artsier. Instead it just made it stupid.

Here's what the ending should have been. www.youtube.com/watch

[Snoopy1955]

I'm not saying there is anything wrong with a disney "everyone lives happily ever after" ending where Shepard shoots the star child in the face, and then all of his accumulated space forces proceed to wipe out the Reapers in a grand victory for the galaxy, after all, that would make me feel a little bit better about going on all of those fetch quests.

What I'm saying is that when it comes to tone and atmosphere, there isn't anything wrong with the endings that we have.

I mean, there is plenty wrong with the endings, but I just don't feel that the fact that they aren't happy enough is really one of the things that we can go pointing out as a fault.

[Iakus]

Snoopy1955 wrote...

iakus wrote...

And in ME1 and ME2 Shepard saves the galaxy without dying.

What's that?

Oh yes, that's right, this actually isn't the first time that Shepard has died.

Didn't stick.

Edit:

I can do this  too

Twice

Modifié par iakus, 16 septembre 2012 - 02:44 .

[Baldrick67]

I can't think of any Disney film where billions of people die, main characters die, and evil is unbeaten in the end.

I would be like Sleeping beauty was remade with the kingdom left in ruins and thousands of people dead, the prince dead and sleeping beauty wakes up to be the new evil witch.

[Snoopy1955]

ME2 ended with shooting a giant boss monster that didn't make any sense in the face and then all of the Reapers heading into the galaxy because they had decided that they were done playing around and were going to kick this harvest into high gear. I don't think it should count towards your "ME games have had happy endings before" argument no mater how many of your squadmates survived.

Now, this is just my opinion, but I kind of prefer an ending that closes the book on Shepard and his fight against the Reapers instead of all of the Ewoks having a crazy dance party on the forest moon of Endor.

[Iakus]

[quote]Snoopy1955 wrote...

ME2 ended with shooting a giant boss monster that didn't make any sense in the face and then all of the Reapers heading into the galaxy because they had decided that they were done playing around and were going to kick this harvest into high gear. I don't think it should count towards your "ME games have had happy endings before" argument no mater how many of your squadmates survived.[/quote]

Shepard's alive.  For many, it's happy enough.

Now, this is just my opinion, but I kind of prefer an ending that closes the book on Shepard and his fight against the Reapers instead of all of the Ewoks having a crazy dance party on the forest moon of Endor.
[/quote]

And i'd prefer an ending that shows Shepard gets to (or has to) live in the galaxy he/she was instrumental in creating.  Just because Shepard's story ends, doesn't mean SHepard has to.

And if getting that ending required my Shepard participating in a volus conga line, that's a sacrifice I'd willinly make. 

[dreman9999]

iakus wrote...

IsaacShep wrote...

Nothing wrong with Disney endings. As long as you don't go on an anti-Bioware crusade just because you didn't get Disney ending and let's be honest. This was (and still is) the main reason for opposing the current endings for many people.

Five years and three games, at least one or two "happy endings" should have been an option.

I like to see this contract agreement that statesBW must have happy ending for th ehero in their games.
The entire demand for it is quite silly.

[AresKeith]

dreman9999 wrote...

iakus wrote...

IsaacShep wrote...

Nothing wrong with Disney endings. As long as you don't go on an anti-Bioware crusade just because you didn't get Disney ending and let's be honest. This was (and still is) the main reason for opposing the current endings for many people.

Five years and three games, at least one or two "happy endings" should have been an option.

I like to see this contract agreement that statesBW must have happy ending for th ehero in their games.
The entire demand for it is quite silly.

funny how your acting like this now after the EC, very hypocritcal

[Iakus]

dreman9999 wrote...

iakus wrote...

IsaacShep wrote...

Nothing wrong with Disney endings. As long as you don't go on an anti-Bioware crusade just because you didn't get Disney ending and let's be honest. This was (and still is) the main reason for opposing the current endings for many people.

Five years and three games, at least one or two "happy endings" should have been an option.

I like to see this contract agreement that statesBW must have happy ending for th ehero in their games.
The entire demand for it is quite silly.

I...have no idea how to respond to this statement, as it makes no sense at all.

[dreman9999]

AresKeith wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

iakus wrote...

IsaacShep wrote...

Nothing wrong with Disney endings. As long as you don't go on an anti-Bioware crusade just because you didn't get Disney ending and let's be honest. This was (and still is) the main reason for opposing the current endings for many people.

Five years and three games, at least one or two "happy endings" should have been an option.

I like to see this contract agreement that statesBW must have happy ending for th ehero in their games.
The entire demand for it is quite silly.

funny how your acting like this now after the EC, very hypocritcal

The issue I had before with the endings was not with it not having a happy ending. 

[dreman9999]

iakus wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

iakus wrote...

IsaacShep wrote...

Nothing wrong with Disney endings. As long as you don't go on an anti-Bioware crusade just because you didn't get Disney ending and let's be honest. This was (and still is) the main reason for opposing the current endings for many people.

Five years and three games, at least one or two "happy endings" should have been an option.

I like to see this contract agreement that statesBW must have happy ending for th ehero in their games.
The entire demand for it is quite silly.

I...have no idea how to respond to this statement, as it makes no sense at all.

Your demanding a happy ending. Where is it stated bw should give it to you.

[AresKeith]

dreman9999 wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

funny how your acting like this now after the EC, very hypocritcal

The issue I had before with the endings was not with it not having a happy ending. 

doesn't matter, you didn't like the endings before EC either and people probably did the same to you and now your acting like them, that makes a hypocrite. Most people wanna see Shepard actually alive at this point and a fully intact or complete Crucible

[Iakus]

dreman9999 wrote...

Your demanding a happy ending. Where is it stated bw should give it to you.

I'm sorry, I thought opinions were allowed on this forum.  Excuse me.  I'll try to exist with less offense next time.

Modifié par iakus, 16 septembre 2012 - 04:01 .

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

dreman9999 wrote...

iakus wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

iakus wrote...

IsaacShep wrote...

Nothing wrong with Disney endings. As long as you don't go on an anti-Bioware crusade just because you didn't get Disney ending and let's be honest. This was (and still is) the main reason for opposing the current endings for many people.

Five years and three games, at least one or two "happy endings" should have been an option.

I like to see this contract agreement that statesBW must have happy ending for th ehero in their games.
The entire demand for it is quite silly.

I...have no idea how to respond to this statement, as it makes no sense at all.

Your demanding a happy ending. Where is it stated bw should give it to you.

Dreman, a little synthesis should cheer you right up. :happy: Don't be such a sour puss. Everyone in synthesis is happy. Even the reapers are happy again. And they're rebuilding all the civilizations and the mass relays. Keiji's gray box is now sapient! So this makes Kasumi very happy! What could be better than that? So what if it was forced on everyone. It was for the best. Starboy said so, and he's happy too!:happy::D

[3DandBeyond]

Hmmm, it's funny that people actually do call a happier ending a Disney ending. What's implied by that is something bad. And yet, Disney has made a lot of people happy and sad with their stories and in doing so have made oodles of money along the way.

To the points here, I see the same things said often. It's not realistic too sappy not good-uh, you realize a lot of bad crap has happened though? Even a happier win type Shepard lives ending is not super happy and the endings now don't properly contain any shown real consequences to make them seem non-sappy. And if you'd hate a Disney ending it'd never become canon for you, but if it would become canon for most, that implies most people do not have the ending they'd like.

If it's not a good way to end the game then why would it be wrong to create one if most people would choose it? I'm not saying most people would, but that has been said a lot as a reason against it. Last time I looked companies generally want to do things most people would like in order to get them to buy stuff they sell.

[Necrotron]

Who cares about a Disney ending? How about an ending that is akin to nearly every other ending of every story ever? One that takes into consideration the core themes and point of the entire story and provides emotional payoff to those invested in it with resolution?

[Bill Casey]

Mass Effect 3 has a disney ending...
Have you seen disney's "The Black Hole"?

Modifié par Bill Casey, 16 septembre 2012 - 05:36 .

[3DandBeyond]

dreman9999 wrote...

iakus wrote...

IsaacShep wrote...

Nothing wrong with Disney endings. As long as you don't go on an anti-Bioware crusade just because you didn't get Disney ending and let's be honest. This was (and still is) the main reason for opposing the current endings for many people.

Five years and three games, at least one or two "happy endings" should have been an option.

I like to see this contract agreement that statesBW must have happy ending for th ehero in their games.
The entire demand for it is quite silly.

I will state this using dreman9999-speak since this is usually how I get responded to.

You don't understand how writing works.  Stories have internal promises within them-in 2 out of 3 games, the hero saved the day by beating the foe in a fight and could come out alive.  In the beginning of one the hero died and came back alive.  This set the tone for the game series-fight hard enough (actual fighting) and you can overcome things.  You didn't get a trumped up choice in the end where you get to decide between which flavor of crud you want to coat the galaxy with and death death death and ?  What variety?  We get variety in just what vision of Shepard dying we get.  Weee, what fun getting to watch the flesh burn and peel off of Shepard.  The art, the drama, fighting enemies is such fun.  And then we get a headless torso for fun and entertainment.  The freaking best we can hope for for the face we created in many different ways, and that wouldn't transfer due to the glitch is what-burned off?  Gone.  The torso is a joke, and not a nice one.

And what's silly is people that continue to suggest that the idea of a full on win type ending was never something they ever thought could happen at the end. 

Yes, I'm sure that everyone opened up ME3 and said, "I hope I don't have to fight the reapers at the end and I get to sit down with some kid and pick a door.  And Shepard can go through that door and get his/her flesh sand-blasted off and/or end up in a pile of crap, while someone says some cool things.  And I just hope there are pictures showing nothing too bad has happened that it can't be easily fixed." 

Well, how about Shepard-can Shepard be easily fixed?  Mostly no. 

Truth time-show of hands.  How many people actually hoped this was the way the game would end-death death death and ? and ambiguity for all?  How many people thought there'd be a big reaper battle or at least and ending where we killed the reapers and that we'd have to work to get a win and get Shepard out alive?  Truth.

[3DandBeyond]

Bathaius wrote...

Who cares about a Disney ending? How about an ending that is akin to nearly every other ending of every story ever? One that takes into consideration the core themes and point of the entire story and provides emotional payoff to those invested in it with resolution?

That is it in a nutshell.