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[Firky]

Foolsfolly wrote...

But I can't really see what people are looking for here.

I assume it's not a desire to be aroused. That's my assumption and I may be wrong with a few gamers out there. So showing more skin can't be the thing we're looking for right?

Does this suggest the desire to be aroused is not something good?  That's, like, the most natural thing on Earth.

I dunno about showing more skin, though. And I dunno if the tech is really up for a full on sex scene, if one was even deemed necessary for the experience. (The pool scene in Witcher 2 was well done, I thought, but, gee, some of the others ....)

I think fade to black is fine, but there's room for more ... suggestive? Rather than explicit. IMO.

[Sejborg]

What is wrong with showing ****** and ass in a sexscene?

In movies, tv-shows and in games I find it silly, when the director go out of his way, to find different viewpoints and angles so that nothing is shown during sexscenes. I like to see what is happening. Like the sexscene in Heavy Rain or the ones in The Witcher 2.

And another thing. When I walk into a **** house in Dragon Age everyone is decent and fully dressed. That is weird. They should be wearing something way more provocative. I mean, they are trying to sell themselves, right? Then why hide behind a nihab?

[GreenSoda]

For me having a sex scene without some form of nudity is akin to women wearing chain-bikinis for maximum protection during battle. Doesn't make one once of sense.

[Uccio]

Sex? Yes please! Some close ups for eye contact, kissing, rolling in bed naked. Soft music, soft light, etc. Then some eye contacts outside bedroom too, touching hands, cheecks etc. Even LI can give gifts, talk some love talk and be active you know, that would be nice.

Modifié par Ukki, 16 septembre 2012 - 12:09 .

[Sejborg]

Nyoka wrote...

Sejborg wrote...

In movies, tv-shows and in games I find it silly, when the director go out of his way, to find different viewpoints and angles so that nothing is shown during sexscenes. I like to see what is happening. Like the sexscene in Heavy Rain or the ones in The Witcher 2.

How many dicks have you seen in Heavy Rain or The Witcher 2?

None. Why do you ask? 

How many dicks have you seen in Spartacus and Game of Thrones? How many dicks and vaginas have you seen in Antichrist?

I didn't say anything about dicks and vaginas by the way. I said ****** and ass. But sure. I wouldn't mind seeing the sex organs as well during a sexscene. But that isn't as neccesary for me.

When I am dating women I allways end up wanting to see their ****** and ass at some point. For me that is part of the bonding. I might be weird that way. 

[Brouhaha4U]

 Maybe the game creators (writers) arten't "up" to providing realistic human sexual behavior, but they should be able to express all human (or not human) feelings, emotions, motivations and erotic action. The games are labeled for "M"ature gamers. It's only natural without repression...but that' creates mental conflict for the repressed I guess.

I express Yes to graphical game interfacing of the human condition!

[mousestalker]

I'm perfectly content with a 'Fade to Black'. I can't be the only one who has seen "Team America: World Police". I love romance and very much want to play a game where romance is possible. Nothing kills that romantic feeling more than bad puppet sex.

All of the sex scenes to date, in any Bioware game that you care to name, have been inadequate.

Which means, they either ought to do it right or not do it at all. Until they can get kissing done right, they really need to skip the bed.

Oddly enough, DA2 came close in that department.

One other point: Animating a sex scene would, in fact, take resources away from other animations. There is plenty of pr0n on the Internet. There's not much point in spending money for it.

Modifié par mousestalker, 16 septembre 2012 - 12:28 .

[Sandy]

The best bioware sex-scene so far has been Mass Effect 3, no question about it, closely followed by Mass Effect 1. Mass Effect 2 was ok I guess, and so was Dragon Age Origins.

Dragon Age 2 was a bit to clothed to be considered 'sex-scenes' to be honest, but some of them were still handled well. Isabella's gave me a laugh, but the animations weren't really up to par with what they were trying to do. It felt more like awkward wrestling than steamy groping of one another. Merril and Anders were good, slow and nice, but could have used better lighting, and yeah, some actual skin would have made it more believable. Fenris was ok, but I think they never actually got to the bed in that one.

I mean, Mass Effect 1 had nice lighting, nudity(but tasteful), nice music, was a bit too short perhaps, but had a superb after-the-act-pillowtalk. Considering it has some mileage on it, it's still one of the best scenes Bioware has done.

Mass Effect 3 however was the whole package for me. I'm talking about squad-mate scenes now. The character that weren't squadmates weren't handled as well. I romanced Ashley throughout all 3 games, and the sex-scene/romance in ME3 made it all worth it. Nice lighting, good prelude where they are talking to each other, superb music, the actual sex-scene was tasteful but believable, nice looking underwear, very good pillow-talk after Shepard wakes up... All in all, best work Bioware has done so far. I've seen Liara's, Kaidan's and Tali's on youtube as well, and while Tali's couldn't be as steamy for obvious reasons, Liara's and Kaidan's were as good as Ashley's.

The scenes in Mass Effect 2 were fine, some were better than others. I liked Garrus although there were actually no sex. It was still sweet though, and made sense because of his different physiology. Miranda was cinematically great despite the location of the scene, Tali's scene was sweet and funny. Jack's renegade scene was a bit over the top, but her paragon scene was very sweet as well, and worked very well with the lighting, mood-setting, music etc. Thane's scene was emotional, but actually didn't have much sex in it. Jacob's scene was pretty bland, but did have the advantage of having at least one of the characters topless, which made it a whole lot more believable.

Prior to those games, I don't think Jade Empire or Knights of the Old Republic (or even the more recent The Old Republic MMO) could be considered sex-scenes. Those are more kisses and fade to black. They have a certain charm however and leaves it up to the player to imagine what happened between the protagonist and the love interest. In that regard I even liked Baldur's Gate II's 'sex-scenes'... You could imagine what happened and you got some since dialogues after.

Bottom line however, Mass Effect 3 and Mass Effect 1 is the way to go. Good music, nice lighting, nudity or partial nudity without actually showing anything, and some length to the actual scenes. That would be awesome.

[nightscrawl]

Amycus89 wrote...

I'm just against the fact that everey Bioware romance nowadays seem to be pre-decided that they WILL have one sexscene in the end of the romance, before they have even decided anything else about the NPC.

While I agree with this on principle, I think there would be many players that would feel cheated based on their choice of romance (not getting into the merits of this, but I know it would happen). You even had players irritated (myself included, though I've gotten over it) that male Hawke got to learn about Karl and female Hawke never does.

Given the personal histories of Fenris and Isabela, and the way those scenes played out, I actually think they were important for those relationships. I could also see that for a rival Anders (or to be more accurate, the clinic scene). But I don't think it was necessary, or "part of" the romance for friend Anders, since he just seems more open to his feelings and communicative than the other two. -- I can't comment on Merrill as I've never romanced her.

So, rather than having to deal with players whine about this or that romance not having a sex scene when some other romance does have one, I think they'll just go ahead and have all or nothing.

Modifié par nightscrawl, 16 septembre 2012 - 12:33 .

[Sejborg]

Nyoka wrote...

Sejborg wrote...

Nyoka wrote...

Sejborg wrote...

In movies, tv-shows and in games I find it silly, when the director go out of his way, to find different viewpoints and angles so that nothing is shown during sexscenes. I like to see what is happening. Like the sexscene in Heavy Rain or the ones in The Witcher 2.

How many dicks have you seen in Heavy Rain or The Witcher 2?

None. Why do you ask?

To illustrate the point that you don't want to see a sex scene. You want to see a naked woman and that's exactly what those games offer, just slightly disguised as something else. The naked doll is presented as a reward for the intended audience. Congratulations chap, you completed the side quest! Your trophy is ******.

 

Call it what you will, and be as patronizing as you want. These romance side quest or whatever you feel like calling them, is a storytelling tool that works to draw the player into the experience. And yes, they work on me. Go ahead and find that pathetic if you want. I don't care what some random guy on the internet thinks about me.

Anyway. When I am roleplaying someone who uses every chance to flirt with a chick, then all that flirting and romance is building to those two wanting to have sex with each other. Then when it is finally time for them to do the act, and express their love for eachother, then I don't want the scene to be cut off before that happens. You don't cut away and show something else when it's time to throw the one ring into the fire of Mount Doom. And for me part of the bonding between two people who love eachother is being nude together. So I want to see ass and ****** during sex. 

And by the way. Collecting the ****** as a trophy is sick and most likely murder. If trophies are neccesary I'd rather have the bra or something like that.  

Nyoka wrote...

When I am dating women I allways end up wanting to see their ****** and ass at some point. For me that is part of the bonding. I might be weird that way.

You aren't dating Triss, Geralt is. I wish the developers of that game understood that, too.

And no-one is dating Morrigan, The Warden is. What a wonderful point you have there. Go away.

[Sylvanpyxie]

I would personally rather the entire "Sex Scene" stopped being the main focus for an entire romantic story arc.

Call me crazy, but I would like the actual emotional connection between PC and NPC to be the main focus of the arc, not the 10-30 seconds of awkwardly animated fumbles that we received in Dragon Age Origins.

Romances have become too dependent on these romantic climaxes (pardon the pun) and lost sight of the ultimate goal - To achieve a closer emotional connection to a beautifully written character.

The Dragon Age 2 Romantic Scenes I consider to be the best compromise of my opinion and that of the Pro-Sex Sceners. There's a romantic climax wrapped up in a fumbling scene and yet the emotional attachment is still the key focus of the relationship.

Editting to clarify cause i'm half asleep and not doing a good job:

I consider "Sex Scenes" to be unnecessary. They're window dressing to the foundations of strongly written characters and equally strong dialogue and general interaction(or at least they should be). An excellent addition for the people who want them, but still ultimately unecessary.

The problem I have is that Sex Scenes are rapidly becoming the only focus of romances in Bioware games and as a result they're becoming the very foundation of the entire romantic arc, forsaking the deeper aspects of the sub-arc like character writing and dialogue.

There should be a rich and deep foundation of well written dialogue, romantic interactions and character evolution and growth before Sex Scenes are even considered a requirement. The foundations of the sub-arc should be the writing, it should be the dialogue, it should *not* be the 10-30 second awkward fumbles at the climax of the relationship.

The writing needs to be the foundation of these romances, it needs to be the solid concrete platform on which to improve. It is only with a solid foundation that we can continue to build and we simply do not have that at the moment.

Written dialogue and character personality and evolution are suffering because the shift of focus has moved to these "Sex Scenes", these Romantic Interludes are quickly causing quality to deteriorate and that is not acceptable, not to me.

Sex Scenes are not a requirement and they should not be the foundation of romances and if that hasn't cleared up my opinion then i don't know what will.

Apologies in advance for any confusion my editting may cause.

Modifié par Sylvanpyxie, 16 septembre 2012 - 02:45 .

[Milan92]

I don't really need to see a sex scene honestly. I'm perfectly fine with nudity and the indication that they actually had sex or are about to have it, just as long as it stays classy and just erotic.
I have no need to see my protagonist taking his love interest from behind while she screams "Say my name! Say my name!" That would be just very awkward to watch and there is already plenty enough porn on the internetz 

[wright1978]

I liked the playful and fun element of Isabela's romance scene in DA2, discarding knives on the way to the bed. My main issue with DA2 scenes was length or lack there of. One thing i can't stand is the pure fade to black. It's fine to cut away at a certain point in proceedings. TW2 did this excellently in the pool sequence. Simply fading to black seems cheap and unrewarding to me.

Modifié par wright1978, 16 septembre 2012 - 02:39 .

[jbrand2002uk]

thats1evildude wrote...

Does … does anyone really want to see Garrus naked?

I'm not saying he doesn't make a great romance. I'm just … I'm not sure you could see his naughty bits without losing Sanity points, ala Call of Cthulhu.

I'm pretty good with the implication that sex is occured without needing to see sex occuring. I prefer to see more romantic interaction (giving Merrill a hug during a New Path would have been nice) than graphic sex scenes.

Besides, as a North American straight male, I will go blind if I see another man's penis. That's science fact. 

Lol now what was that north american penal system tradition Dont drop the rhubarb or was it soap i can never recall  

[Milan92]

wright1978 wrote...

I liked the playful and fun element of Isabela's romance scene in DA2, discarding knives on the way to the bed. My main issue with DA2 scenes was length or lack there of. One thing i can't stand is the pure fade to black. It's fine to cut away at a certain point in proceedings. TW2 did this excellently in the pool sequence. Simply fading to black seems cheap and unrewarding to me.

Agreed. The Witcher 2 did it perfect, but I don't think it would work with Bioware. The Witcher 2 has a total diffrent style and its theme's are very diffrent from Bioware.

[CaptainBlackGold]

Personally, I do not want explicit sex scenes. Now sex is a part of the human condition and in a "mature" game needs to be represented in some fashion. But seeing it is just unnecessary in my opinion.

Take for example the difference between the books and the TV adaption of "Game of Thrones." In the books, sex is there, often a powerful motivating force that drives the plot and tells us important things about the characters. But Martin never goes into intimate detail - it's just there.

However, in the HBO series, we are treated to basically, soft core porn. The sex is used to titillate and arouse (and IMHO often simply gratuitous). The way it is portrayed changes the entire atmosphere of the story.

A "mature" game ought to deal with mature themes - and sexuality is certainly something that can and should be explored. Who is sleeping with whom, and why and the consequences are all things that can enrich the world and "flesh out" the characters (pun intentional).

But I really do think that "less is more" applies in this case.

And one final comment that is slightly off topic; Thedas is not a modern, Western, secularized society. If Bioware is going to deal with sexual issues - why presume that our current morality would be the norm? If they are going to have "scenes" depicting sex, why not actually explore how a different culture might understand sexual relations in regards to marriage, family, STD's, or unwanted pregnancies?

I mean, wouldn't it be great that after the mandatory passionate tryst, the next day, the girl's father and brothers storm into the room and beat the living daylights out of the man for "defiling" the family name? How about forcing the man to marry the girl at sword-point? Or maybe a jealous previous lover tracking you down and exacting vengeance? Or that a high official had been pining away for your love interest and once you have consummated the relationship he/she starts working actively against you?

Carefree, casual sexual activity has not been the norm throughout most of human history, why should it be so in Thedas?

I do not need to see the act itself, but I would love to see the consequences of it.

[PinkShoes]

Wellll TBH i actually dont mind if they are not there. But if they are i'd rather they treat us all like adults becuase this is an 18+ game. I'm not asking for porn im just saying we are all adults here.

Well, we are all adults and people who are pretending to be adults anyway lol

[EpicBoot2daFace]

Something like Liara's scene in ME3. What say you?

[Uccio]

Sejborg wrote...

Anyway. When I am roleplaying someone who uses every chance to flirt with a chick, then all that flirting and romance is building to those two wanting to have sex with each other. Then when it is finally time for them to do the act, and express their love for eachother, then I don't want the scene to be cut off before that happens. You don't cut away and show something else when it's time to throw the one ring into the fire of Mount Doom. And for me part of the bonding between two people who love eachother is being nude together. So I want to see ass and ****** during sex. 

Hear hear!! 

[Wulfram]

Sylvanpyxie wrote...

I would personally rather the entire "Sex Scene" stopped being the main focus for an entire romantic story arc.

That's a criticism I'd make of some Mass Effect romances, but I don't think they have been in Dragon Age.  In DA2, and with Zevran and Morrigan in Origins, the "sex scene" is more the start of the romance than it's climax. 

[Dutchess]

Although I do not have to see the actual "humping", I would like to have a short, intimate scene in which some skin is shown. Even it is making out in underwear on (NOT like the odd poses in DAO, although some scenes were worse than others there. I thought Zevran's and Alistair's were okay, but the one with Leliana was weird) followed by a fade to black. Or, like other people already have said, like in ME series.

Of course the development of the relationship is the most important aspect. Well-written dialogue is a must. BUT sex is often an important part of a relationship, a significant next step in intimacy. It is not the goal of the relationship (at least it shouldn't be), but it is an important new level of intimacy. After the sex you usually learn more about the romantic partner, and it is determined how the relationship will continue from then on. Zevran casually inquires if this was a one time thing and reacts pleasantly surprised if the Warden indicates he/she wants to do it more often. Fenris freaks out and runs off after the deed, and apparently Hawke is forbidden to speak with him about it for the next three years. Isabela downplays the importance of sex, tries to keep it a casual thing, but when pressed you learn something about her perspective on love. Anders: "I LOVE I WANT TO MOVE IN WITH YOU."
All in all a lot of different reactions to the same thing: the first time of having sex. The post-sex scene develops the last hurdle that has to be overcome, or it was in itself the last hurdle, the final step to a fully commited relationship. Because of the importance of it, I think it unfair to skip the entire thing with a cheap fade to black. It's disappointing. Again, I don't have to see a pixelated penis being put into a pixelated vagina. I don't have to see the virtual version of Spartacus. But a bit more reference to what is about to happen between two people who care about each other would be welcome.

The argument "there is plenty of porn on the internet, go watch that" is rubbish. It's not about being horny, it's not about masturbating material. There are plenty of movies that include love scenes that are not porn movies. I don't think many people who would like some form of sex scene expect an equivalent to porn. But in a game in which enemies explode into a bloody pulp and you can encounter creatures like the broodmother and desire demons, I think a mature treatment of sex and its meaning is desirable and almost expected.

[Sejborg]

CaptainBlackGold wrote...

I mean, wouldn't it be great that after the mandatory passionate tryst, the next day, the girl's father and brothers storm into the room and beat the living daylights out of the man for "defiling" the family name? How about forcing the man to marry the girl at sword-point? Or maybe a jealous previous lover tracking you down and exacting vengeance? Or that a high official had been pining away for your love interest and once you have consummated the relationship he/she starts working actively against you?

I do not need to see the act itself, but I would love to see the consequences of it.

I'm not so sure that I like those exact suggestions, but I do want the romance plot to continue, somehow. I think that there is way more to explore, and I find it a little disappointing that the romances always seem to end or fade away once you get through the sexscene. As if sex was the one and only point of it all. 

I still want to see the act though. For me sex is an important part of a romance. 

[MichaelStuart]

Just show some kissing/hugging and a fade to black.
But don't show then clothed in bed, that's just stupid.