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[Ser Issac]

https://twitter.com/...219206716792832

@comicbookguy_UK: "next time u buy a book ill rip out the last 1/4 and sell u it as dlc.. See if u like it? With EA.. Im THAT cynical!"

@GambleMike: "wow. Do you have any ****ing clue how hard the team has been working over the past year to deliver NEW content ?"

I'm not judging him. I just find it hilarious that dev and fan discussion over the ME3 ending has reached this point, especially since Gamble was originally just tweeting about the DLC screenshot unveiled today.

Modifié par Ser Issac, 16 septembre 2012 - 07:35 .

[Arppis]

People need to give Bioware some break.

[GenericEnemy]

If I was in his position, I would've started dropping them long ago.

[Kataphrut94]

To be fair, that random twitter guy was a douchebag. I'm surprised some of these Bioware employees have been able to remain as civil for as long they have considering all the crap they've had to put up with.

[N7 Lisbeth]

I know what you're saying, Arppis, but it's hard. It's really hard.

I understand them. I try to keep that anger I have about the endings in check, but it just bubbles over when I read something about Bioware, especially when or how they interact with fans.

They can't spit on their fanbase and then expect their fans to sing them praises. They cannot, should not, expect any more than vitriol at this point. If they want to push the content as a money-making vehicle, hey, I understand. But they can't expect us to love them for it, when they've done nothing but shovel us ... well, you know what I'm saying.

I'm still trying to get a grip on that anger. I'm usually pretty open-minded and non-partisan. <Sighs>

I guess it's impossible to be this angry about something you don't have passion for. I wholeheartedly admit it, I love Mass Effect. But I despise the endings for ME3, and I hate Bioware for their EC and flat out saying no further changes to the endings -- when they haven't changed the endings yet. There I go again. Sorry. :-/

Modifié par N7 Lisbeth, 16 septembre 2012 - 07:41 .

[Sajuro]

I don't ****ing blame him for flipping his ****, 'fans' are being such ****ing children about the whole mess and its time like this I think they should give developers and community mods the technology to punch people through the internet.

[N7 Lisbeth]

Sajuro wrote...

I don't ****ing blame him for flipping his ****, 'fans' are being such ****ing children about the whole mess and its time like this I think they should give developers and community mods the technology to punch people through the internet.

There's a hard truth here, Sajuro: ****** everyone off and they'll be pissed off at you.

This should come as no surprise to anyone, and bashing the fans for being rightfully pissed off is irrational. White-knight something else.

[Siran]

Would have answered the same way. Giving Mike crap this way - not cool. These people expand the ME universe for us, even after all the hate they've been confronted with and some still are so immature and openly hate on them. ME3 had a release date, there's only so much content you can do until then - I bet the same guy would have raged even more at Mike and everyone else if ME3 had been postponed yet another year just to implement all the DLCs that he claims have been "ripped out"...

[Andy the Black]

Damn, what a tool. Not Gamble but the random Twitter dude. I would have lost it months ago if I was working for BioWare.

[StElmo]

I understand both sides to be honest. You read those pre-release quotes and you can't help but start making assumptions, given how silent BW are on the whole thing.

Then again, being a rude to devs on twitter doesn't do much to help the situation, I believe many of us have learned that lesson.

I think they deserve a break and fans should just hope for whatever they want to hope for.

It's a sorry situation.

Modifié par StElmo, 16 septembre 2012 - 07:45 .

[N7 Lisbeth]

Siran wrote...

Would have answered the same way. Giving Mike crap this way - not cool. These people expand the ME universe for us, even after all the hate they've been confronted with and some still are so immature and openly hate on them.

It's not immature, it's called anger. People are angry. Bioware made them angry. Blaming the fans for being made angry by Bioware is pointing the finger at the wrong party. Hey, I understand what you're trying to get at, you think Bioware tried to meet the fans halfway. But they didn't, and very few people feel that way. There are some that do, sure. But there's a ton of people that have very strong feelings, not because they hate Mass Effect, but because they love Mass Effect and hate what happened to it.

As for new content, none of it matters after the endings. More EMS? Oookay. Remember, they flat out said no more changes to the endings, so at this point, how can you really replay it? I replayed ME1 and ME2 a bunch of times and loved each playthrough for different reasons. I played ME3 once. I can't replay it. Maybe  you enjoy self-inflicted pain, the vast majority of people do not.

[Tommyspa]

Not the first time it happened for BioWare peeps. Certainly won't be the last.

[Melancholic]

comicbookguy_UK is a noob who doesn't understand how DLC works.

Or a surprisingly successful troll who is now bragging about this to his friends.

[Jadebaby]

Kataphrut94 wrote...

To be fair, that random twitter guy was a douchebag. I'm surprised some of these Bioware employees have been able to remain as civil for as long they have considering all the crap they've had to put up with.

This^

I'm all for them doing whatever they want to ME3. Endings especially.

[Sajuro]

N7 Lisbeth wrote...

Sajuro wrote...

I don't ****ing blame him for flipping his ****, 'fans' are being such ****ing children about the whole mess and its time like this I think they should give developers and community mods the technology to punch people through the internet.

There's a hard truth here, Sajuro: ****** everyone off and they'll be pissed off at you.

This should come as no surprise to anyone, and bashing the fans for being rightfully pissed off is irrational. White-knight something else.

For being rightly pissed off? It has been six months, they have given us an ending DLC for free, they are working hard to create new content and all that happens is endless ****ing because people couldn't win conventionally or because they didn't get a personalized ending and refuse to use imagination. I am not white knighting for anyone, I'm just saying that 'fans' are being total brats.

[N7 Lisbeth]

StElmo wrote...

I understand both sides to be honest. You read those pre-release quotes and you can't help but start making assumptions, given how silent BW are on the whole thing.

Then again, being a douche on twitter is something I learned does nothing to help the situation a while ago now.

Posting in succession a bit, just interested in some of these points being brought up.

I agree, to a degree, StElmo. Anyone with an iota of common sense will. I don't read Twitter, all I have to judge is the small sample here. The fan was angry, didn't call anyone names, didn't disrespect anyone. He made an analogy that I can't defend, content that wasn't included in the game, but I can understand the anger because he can't play that content now after having played ME3 once. Very few of us can play it a second time with those endings.

[Eterna]

Well what do people expect honestly. He's been dealing with this bull**** for 6 months.

To be outright dismissive and rude about the work Bioware has put into this series is insulting. 

Modifié par Eterna5, 16 septembre 2012 - 07:50 .

[Melancholic]

N7 Lisbeth wrote...
Very few of us can play it a second time with those endings.

Yeah, only the tiniest minority, no doubt.

Modifié par Melancholic, 16 septembre 2012 - 07:50 .

[TheShogunOfHarlem]

I hate the endings and really don't care for EA either but I don't get why people are still fuming. I'm over it already. The endings are not going to change any more than it is. DLC is here to stay and MP is going to be in every game EA releases. Deal with it! I have, I'm just not gonna put up with it anymore by not buying any of their products.

[N7 Lisbeth]

Sajuro wrote...

For being rightly pissed off? It has been six months, they have given us an ending DLC for free, they are working hard to create new content and all that happens is endless ****ing because people couldn't win conventionally or because they didn't get a personalized ending and refuse to use imagination. I am not white knighting for anyone, I'm just saying that 'fans' are being total brats.

I understand your point of view, and I agree, fans should balance their outrage with a modicum of decency.

But they're not brats, and you are crossing those lines of dignity right now yourself. You are actually worse than the fans you detest so much right now.

So I'll agree to disagree and leave it at that.

[halbert986]

his response doesn't make any sense. I don't care how "hard" people have been working, and neither does that guy on twitter. That has nothing to do with what he said.

[Siran]

N7 Lisbeth wrote...

Siran wrote...

Would have answered the same way. Giving Mike crap this way - not cool. These people expand the ME universe for us, even after all the hate they've been confronted with and some still are so immature and openly hate on them.

It's not immature, it's called anger. People are angry.

There are mature ways to express anger. The way this guy did it wasn't. It's immature any way you see it, period.

Hey, I understand what you're trying to get at, you think Bioware tried to meet the fans halfway. But they didn't, and very few people feel that way. There are some that do, sure. But there's a ton of people that have very strong feelings, not because they hate Mass Effect, but because they love Mass Effect and hate what happened to it.

That's your opinion judging on the pretty negative BSN. I for one liked the EC and what they did with it, and I'm pretty sure I'm not "some".

As for new content, none of it matters after the endings. More EMS? Oookay. Remember, they flat out said no more changes to the endings, so at this point, how can you really replay it? I replayed ME1 and ME2 a bunch of times and loved each playthrough for different reasons. I played ME3 once. I can't replay it. Maybe  you enjoy self-inflicted pain, the vast majority of people do not.

Have you even played Leviathan? To me, it shines a better light on some aspects of the catalyst and even gives new insights into the origin of the reapers. I for one think it matters, not only from a story standpoint but as an integration into ME3 as a whole, especially with the ton of squad banter and interaction which none of the ME2 DLCs had. I'm currently on my third playthrough of ME3 - the same amount of time I've completed ME1 and ME1 became tedious even after the first playthrough with all the side-missions looking exactly the same and the endless Mako-drives. I don't have that feeling with ME3. I've completed ME2 four times, but the last time was explicitly to change several choices to see how they play out in ME3 (especially concerning the genophage), thats the sole reason I completed ME1 for a third time, too.

And please stop implying everyone hates ME3 and it would be a pain to replay it. You make yourself and your arguments look ridiculous.

[N7 Lisbeth]

scyphozoa wrote...

This is irrelevant. Everyone is allowed to be angry. But being angry and being disrespectful are vastly different things. It is entirely possible to be angry without making personal attacks or insults.

I agree with you on this 100%.

People need to learn that being dissatisified with a video game is not that important. Entertainment products in general are not that important.

But this I do not agree with. There is no right and wrong thing to feel strongly about, and nobody has a place to say what anyone can or should feel strongly about. People love the games, does that surprise you? Would it surprise you if I told you the angriest people out there probably love the games the most? You can't be angry about something you don't care about.