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[eddieoctane]

Gamble is a public face of a multi-billion dollar corporation. He doesn't get to drop f-bombs. If he can;t deal with fans poking him with sticks, he needs to not stay in the public light. Unfortunately, that's the way this works. Whenever he makes contact with players, it will be as an agent of EA. And he just goofed.

And I don't care what he says, Javik feels like he was stripped out of the game and resold. And customer perception is all that matters in this regard. Leviathan tries to retroactively foreshadow the crap in the ending, so I'll buy that that was new content. But From Ashes just doesn't feel like somethign separate.

[SpamBot2000]

In the very special case of ME3, I firmly believe there ought to be DLC that affects the ending, since so many people were so uniquely disappointed in that (uniquely since there have been no other trilogies of RPGs with the same persistent nature and protagonist.) I personally feel the ending was tacked on for reasons other than creating a great gaming experience. Of course this is not something that could be admitted in public. But in any case, Mass Effect created a uniquely (that word again) powerful identification with the protagonist, and for whatever reason many feel that BioWare did not live up to the responsibility implicit in this kind of arrangement with the players. Since the writers have already demonstrated a lack of concern for the ultimate fate of the setting, what would be the harm in offering those unhappy with its current state an option that would make the series enjoyable for them again, as it was prior to this finale? One more non-canon ending among others.

As for the more general cases of DLC, something more self-contained storywise would seem to be appropriate, so that the game would present an organic whole as released without DLC accretions. Of course the self-containment would not need apply to any items or effects gained in the DLC.

Oh, and I do miss the days of the expansion packs.

[crimzontearz]

Nyoka wrote...crimsontearz,They shouldn't have worked so hard. The catalyst is completely unnecessary, and it shows. Everything related to the catalyst is out of place, which is why such an incredible amount of handwaving is required to address its non-logic.They jumped into the mud, now they're working hard to get out of it. Shouldn't have jumped in the first place.it’s not really an extra question that screws things up, but an unnecessary answer. Everything that happens between dealing with the Illusive Man and the Mass Effect relays going boom should have been cut ... Mass Effect 3′s crimes are betraying its own themes for the sake of one more surprise; one more plot point.

I am not excusing them at all, I just wish the ones responsible for this mess get what is coming to them and apparently they are

[Xilizhra]

IsaacShep wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

I'd say I felt sympathetic for Gamble, but I'd be lying. And that would be wrong. I actually find it sort of hilarious. I know these people are obligated to defend the endings' sack of crap, but surely they can't expect anyone to buy what they say?

I'm sure some low-level people have been working hard. They weren't the ones being criticized.

Gamble is a DLC producer. If anything, he would be the one working the longest/hardest, just like movie directors need to stay on the set all day long and then some more in the cutting room and then some more in a meetings with the studio while low-level people are already home.

Ultimately, when people criticize Bioware, they're generally attacking the decision-makers, i.e. the people who appear to consistently make mistakes, refuse to admit them, and bind Bioware employees to refuse to admit them as well. I'm not upset with Gamble, I actually want this argument to escalate into emotional terms because it would at least be more interesting. And if he can't control it, he may be frustrated about that... nevertheless, he has to realize that this won't stop until his own bosses change their minds. And I believe that's a good thing. The pressure shouldn't stop until either we win or EA folds entirely.

[shepskisaac]

Xilizhra wrote...

Ultimately, when people criticize Bioware, they're generally attacking the decision-makers, i.e. the people who appear to consistently make mistakes, refuse to admit them, and bind Bioware employees to refuse to admit them as well. I'm not upset with Gamble, I actually want this argument to escalate into emotional terms because it would at least be more interesting. And if he can't control it, he may be frustrated about that... nevertheless, he has to realize that this won't stop until his own bosses change their minds. And I believe that's a good thing. The pressure shouldn't stop until either we win or EA folds entirely.

That's not what I was talking about. I responded to your suggestion that Mike Gamble wasn't one of the people working hard.

[RinpocheSchnozberry]

I despise doing this, since it is arguing with a dumb ass. The initial premise about ripping out the last part of a comic book and selling it as DLC is bullcrap. Comic books are nothing but DLC. You read the story, then the next month, you buy the next chunk of the story.

The guy asking the original question is either ignorant about how comic books are written and made or a flat out troll. The comic books you might read this month were done while next month's issue was still being written. Which, from what we know anyways, is how the DLC works.

[Xilizhra]

IsaacShep wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Ultimately, when people criticize Bioware, they're generally attacking the decision-makers, i.e. the people who appear to consistently make mistakes, refuse to admit them, and bind Bioware employees to refuse to admit them as well. I'm not upset with Gamble, I actually want this argument to escalate into emotional terms because it would at least be more interesting. And if he can't control it, he may be frustrated about that... nevertheless, he has to realize that this won't stop until his own bosses change their minds. And I believe that's a good thing. The pressure shouldn't stop until either we win or EA folds entirely.

That's not what I was talking about. I responded to your suggestion that Mike Gamble wasn't one of the people working hard.

I didn't mean to imply that he wasn't. Although I doubt that a lot of what he's doing is in anyone's best interest.

[Conniving_Eagle]

Extended Cut?

From Ashes?

Leviathan?

Yeah, I see how hard Bioware have been working on to create new content, content that was lazily excluded from the game. Frankly, this guy's point still stands, they've been selling us stuff that should've been in the game from the beginning, and I have no doubt that they will continue to (Crucible Origins DLC, anyone?). Anything that will help foreshadow/justify their stupid-ass Crucible plot. They could be creating new content, but at this point other than alternate ending DLC, it would be pointless.

[Code_R]

Nyoka wrote...

crimsontearz,
They shouldn't have worked so hard. The catalyst is completely unnecessary, and it shows. Everything related to the catalyst is out of place, which is why such an incredible amount of handwaving is required to address its non-logic.

They jumped into the mud, now they're working hard to get out of it. Shouldn't have jumped in the first place.

"It’s not really an extra question that screws things up, but an unnecessary answer. Everything that happens between dealing with the Illusive Man and the Mass Effect relays going boom should have been cut ... Mass Effect 3′s crimes are betraying its own themes for the sake of one more surprise; one more plot point."

Have to agree. What everyone needed was an epic space battle, followed a post war epilogue that showed what happened during those events thanks for our decisions, whether the results good or bad or there is lasting peace or uncertainty, or whether that original question of Humanity's place in the universe is secured for better or worse.

[N7Gold]

It surprises me how some people these days act like spoiled brats. I've let my wounds heal up.

[Taboo]

Being a producer is a difficult job. Be thankful that he talks at all. Most producers wouldn't give you a second glance.

I'd love for one to tell me how hard they were working because it would be some sort of communication.

[Code_R]

N7Gold wrote...

It surprises me how some people these days act like spoiled brats. I've let my wounds heal up.

It surprises me how people think what they have been given was good quality, value for money and represents what the marketing promised in any way. Spoiled? Maybe if ME3 was all it could have been and they still complained maybe.

Modifié par Code_R, 16 septembre 2012 - 02:20 .

[firstarioch]

N7Gold wrote...

It surprises me how some people these days act like spoiled brats. I've let my wounds heal up.

Congrstualtions to you man..

but many of us didnt ...and still riles us...the lies and the nonsesne thart followed...

It has put me off video games for 5 months that ending...

[Xellith]

Code_R wrote...

N7Gold wrote...

It surprises me how some people these days act like spoiled brats. I've let my wounds heal up.

It surprises me how people think what they have been given was good quality, value for money and represents what the marketing promised in any way. Spoiled? Maybe if ME3 was all it could have been and they still complained maybe.

Urdnot Shaman:
*laughs* I like this human! He understands!

Modifié par Xellith, 16 septembre 2012 - 02:22 .

[plfranke]

Taboo-XX wrote...

Being a producer is a difficult job. Be thankful that he talks at all. Most producers wouldn't give you a second glance.

I'd love for one to tell me how hard they were working because it would be some sort of communication.

I would rather have someone not give me a second glance and give me good content instead of pretending to listen to what I say, giving me crap and then losing it on anyone that complains about it.

[Baa Baa]

Both sides have been pretty dickish. So naturally it'll be like this. Gamble's response was irrelevant though. The guy wasn't even talking about DLC and Gamble brought it up.

[szkasypcze]

You may tackle the way this twitter guy resonded, but you have to see that there is more to this. This guy is obviously disappointed with the endings and the way Bioware is treating their fans, What's worse, they even do not want to confess to the mistake their made, which was obviously the ending. What's more, it's a clear sign that there are many, many people still waiting for sth. For sth to make ME3 epic. It's irrelevant if the waiting is childish or hopeless. The fact is IT IS. And thus Bioware will have to stryggle with more of that kind of fan reactions. The tension among the fans is rising the more, the longer we have to wait for further DLC. Whose fault is that?? BIOWARE's and their policies. You created this and now you have to cope with this.

Gamble's response?? Showing that they are running out of patience as well. But wait...It's Bioware's marketing strategy and their artistic integrity. How about that?? The world's oldest mechanism Cause and Effect. Soon it will be a mass effect.

[Rommel49]

fiendishchicken wrote...

Sorry, Mr. Gamble is in the wrong.

This is why I am not a fan of BW anymore. They lower themselves to a fan's level. The smart thing would be to not respond. Yes I do despise the endings and I was vocal about it, but this has nothing to do with it. This is about base professionalism. You keep your calm, even when everything else is going to hell. You keep your focus and a logical head. In the military we call it our bearing. How can you expect to accomplish your mission if your busy yelling or getting something stuck up in your head? Another issue I take as a problem is the level of condescending loathing I feel from BW. Like it's out fault because we don't understand their vision. But I'm to cut it off there, as I don't feel like starting another ending debate.

That's certainly a big part of it. That and the failure to own up to mistakes, broken promises, missed goals, etc. If Bioware were a guy in basic, I'd expect them to very rapidly become adept at saying the phrase "No excuse Drill Sergeant". The fact he did respond (and in the manner he did) speaks to his maturity and discipline... or lack thereof.

As the saying goes: You don't mess with the people who pay you, feed you, or fix you (administrative, cooks, medical) - customers/fans fall into the first catergory.

[plfranke]

So I think the biggest question here is, does Gamble's response prove IT?

[szkasypcze]

plfranke wrote...

So I think the biggest question here is, does Gamble's response prove IT?

well, does it??

[N7Gold]

Code_R wrote...

N7Gold wrote...

It surprises me how some people these days act like spoiled brats. I've let my wounds heal up.

It surprises me how people think what they have been given was good quality, value for money and represents what the marketing promised in any way. Spoiled? Maybe if ME3 was all it could have been and they still complained maybe.

I don't think that, I know there are plot holes in the story, but BioWare is trying to fix that with DLCs and what do we call them? "Money hungry leeches" and crap like that. For now, I'll reserve judgement until they stop delivering DLCs for single player, because based on what I've l arned in the Leviathan DLC, the star kid's purpose for its creators may  not be to achieve galactic peace between organics and synthetics, but to find a solution that will cause synthetics to be vulnerable to indoctrination like organics, which is why synthethis is the ideal solution, so the Leviathans can force organics and synthetics to pay tribute to their so-called greatness as the first apex race, otherwise peace with quarians and geth would bevery significant.

Modifié par N7Gold, 16 septembre 2012 - 02:38 .

[Hexley UK]

szkasypcze wrote...

plfranke wrote...

So I think the biggest question here is, does Gamble's response prove IT?

well, does it??

Magic 8-ball says "Ask again later".