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[inversevideo]

Allan Schumacher wrote...


At the same time, shouldn't we make DLC that people really want to experience? Shouldn't we release other DLC to help flesh out the story? Would people be more satisfied if the contents were in a more traditional "expansion pack" or even a sequel?

Alan, thank you for taking the time to interact with us, I really appreciate it.

I feel the story was thrown off kilter by the introduction of the catalyst as well as the fact that the 'shared universe' was fractured into three alternate branches.  How do things continue for the next arc in the ME universe? Which universe will Leviathan impact?

Don't get me wrong, I bought, played and very much enjoyed Leviathan.  But the endings still leave me feeling ... wronged somehow. Silly, I know. But I am being honest. I was prepared for Shepard to die, it's not that, it just feels like ...Shepard did not die 'right'. or worse, as I had high EMS destroy, was left in Limbo.  But that's a disccusion for another thread.

I feel like the DA:O dev team got things right, with respect to the ending, of DA:O, and the the release of DLC, and expainsions.  

We very much got the 'illusion' of choice in DA:O. We felt that we had control, because of how the branching was handled.  All 'choices' lead to the defeat of the Archdemon, but you had variety in how you got there. I could get the disgraced leader to do the deed, do it myself and commit the ulitmate sacrifice, or engage in an a dark act of blood magic.  Whatever I chose, the Archdemon would be vanquished, and the DA:O universe woud remain consistent.

As a result, whatver DLC came next, would expand on the same realm.  Whether or not the Hero of Ferelden, died, or there was a new warden from Orlais, the story could move forward, someone would face the Archtect.
And DA:O could progress forward, to the next arc, with Hawke, and the shared realm retained consistency. 

Sorry, have not had my coffee yet, and worked late last night, but I hope I am making some sense.

Again Alan, thanks for taking the time.  

Modifié par inversevideo, 16 septembre 2012 - 03:15 .

[Hexley UK]

MegaSovereign wrote...

Hexley UK wrote...

SNAKEATEN wrote...

Can't say I blame him. This s*** has been going on since day one, even in a professional environment there is only so much crap you can take...

Since day one because they release a shoddy product, if they hadn't then it wouldn't have been going on...simples.

I challenge this statement, honestly.

The whole controversy comes for the last 15 minutes of the game. As you are well aware the game itself is atleast 30+ hours long. To say that the entire game is of low quality is simply not true. I don't care how absurdly high your standards are either.

If everyone here truly believed that ME3 is a shoddy product then they wouldn't even be here. Last time I checked the Retake movement was campaigning for an ending re-write, not an entire redo of the third installment. 

Wrong, most have stated there are many more problems with the game but the biggest by far is the ending....you have to pick your battles and you go for the biggest issue/s first.

[Wayning_Star]

Hexley UK wrote...

SNAKEATEN wrote...

Hexley UK wrote...

SNAKEATEN wrote...

Can't say I blame him. This s*** has been going on since day one, even in a professional environment there is only so much crap you can take...

Since day one because they release a shoddy product, if they hadn't then it wouldn't have been going on...simples.

Sure, I get it, some people don't really like ME3, but that doesn't make it ok to bully the developers for it. Not in the slightest.

Show me where that guy bullied anyone?

we cannot see the entire string of comments.. and I personally didn't care what that twit says.. once the user goes off on a tangent, the recipient either has to respond in kind or simply hit that handy ignore button and the conversation is lost and the trolling parties wins. Its an old online game folks' play to get their way. It appears the responder(MG) fell for it.. or was absorbed by it.. Trollish riddles me this..etc.

[Xilizhra]

MegaSovereign wrote...

Hexley UK wrote...

SNAKEATEN wrote...

Can't say I blame him. This s*** has been going on since day one, even in a professional environment there is only so much crap you can take...

Since day one because they release a shoddy product, if they hadn't then it wouldn't have been going on...simples.

I challenge this statement, honestly.

The whole controversy comes for the last 15 minutes of the game. As you are well aware the game itself is atleast 30+ hours long. To say that the entire game is of low quality is simply not true. I don't care how absurdly high your standards are either.

If everyone here truly believed that ME3 is a shoddy product then they wouldn't even be here. Last time I checked the Retake movement was campaigning for an ending re-write, not an entire redo of the third installment. 

Exactly. We don't need a rewrite of the whole game. Just actually rewriting the last fifteen minutes. Simple enough, unless you have an enormous ego.

[Jamie9]

Hexley UK wrote...
Yes I can really blame him...it's not professional.

No I have not ever experienced this amount of hate for 6 months by (more like hundreds of thousands of people), because I have never lied out my ass to said people and practically spat in their faces and called them stupid and whiny when they called me on it.

Your take on DLC is hilarious and massively ill informed...EA love people like you.

I'm not diving into the lying quotes again. It can only end in arguments.

I know a great deal about the industry. The price of video games hasn't risen for the longest time, yet costs keep rising. Now, yes, more people are buying video games than ever before, so income is coming from there.

And, of course, no dev team has to create EVERYTHING from scratch. There are engines specifically made to render plant life, others to do skyboxes. So dev teams just include these in their engine. That is obviously cheaper.

But overall, look at the sheer speed that graphic fidelity is improving. I can tell you it's not getting any cheaper to make really good looking games.

I doubt EA loves me. I hate iOS apps that affect the core product. I dislike the idea of Day 1 DLC. I hate weapon packs and armor packs.

Please presume to understand my point of view before you judge me.

Modifié par Jamie9, 16 septembre 2012 - 03:16 .

[Hexley UK]

magnetite wrote...

Hexley UK wrote...

So because OTHER people were rude to him he has the right to be rude to someone who wasn't?

Makes perfect sense.....

I'd like to see some of these fans work in customer service for years and see what it's like. It's not as easy as it sounds. You can't please people 100% of the time. There's always someone who's going to not be 100% satisfied with your product, but some people seem to have this idea that every single person who plays this game must be satisfied. It doesn't work that way unfortunately.

Aside from the zero tolerance thing, some companies have the right to refuse service and say that they don't want your business anymore.

I actually do work in customer service and I take plenty of abuse...but what I don't do is take it out on the next person who calls and is not rude to me....i'd be fired.

[AresKeith]

LilyasAvalon wrote...

Allan Schumacher wrote...

I guess what I'm saying is, "what type of content do you think SHOULD be in the DLC?"

KAL'REEGAR! <3

Palaven/Kal'Reegar DLC

http://social.biowar.../index/13252530

Modifié par AresKeith, 16 septembre 2012 - 03:15 .

[plfranke]

Mega you seem to think that the only controversial part of the game was the ending. The ending gets the most attention but it's really not even the worst part of the game. The Crucible plotline, Cerberus' handling, me2 squadmates, side quests, auto-dialogue, all of these things hurt the game. As a standalone game it's alright, but that's where they failed. They tried to make it a standalone game when it was the finale of a trilogy. So yes, with high expectations it was a terrible game. With average expectations it was an average to slightly above average game. Even excluding the endings it is not a great game.

[o Ventus]

MegaSovereign wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

To say that the entire game is of low quality is simply not true. I don't care how absurdly high your standards are either.

Stop saying things like these. They simply aren't true.

Sarcasm? 

Half sarcastic, half serious.

[I am Sovereign]

This guy was trolling, plain and simple. And a successful troll at that, he's probably reading this thread laughing his arse off. I'd shake his hand.

Modifié par I am Sovereign, 16 septembre 2012 - 03:19 .

[crimzontearz]

inversevideo wrote...

Allan Schumacher wrote...At the same time, shouldn't we make DLC that people really want to experience? Shouldn't we release other DLC to help flesh out the story? Would people be more satisfied if the contents were in a more traditional "expansion pack" or even a sequel?

Alan, thank you for taking the time to interact with us, I really appreciate it.I feel the story was thrown off kilter by the introduction of the catalyst as well as the fact that the 'shared universe' was fractured into three alternate branches.  How do things continue for the next arc in the ME universe? Which universe will Leviathan impact?Don't get me wrong, I bought, played and very much enjoyed Leviathan.  But the endings still leave me feeling ... wronged somehow. Silly, I know. But I am being honest. I was prepared for Shepard to die, it's not that, it just feels like ...Shepard did not die 'right'. or worse, as I had high EMS destroy, was left in Limbo.  But that's a disccusion for another thread.I feel like the DA:O dev team got things right, with respect to the ending, of DA:O, and the the release of DLC, and expainsions.  We very much got the 'illusion' of choice in DA:O. We felt that we had control, because of how the branching was handled.  All 'choices' lead to the defeat of the Archdemon, but you had variety in how you got there. I could get the disgraced leader to do the deed, do it myself and commit the ulitmate sacrifice, or engage in an a dark act of blood magic.  Whatever I chose, the Archdemon would be vanquished, and the DA:O universe woud remain consistent.As a result, whatver DLC came next, would expand on the same realm.  Whether or not the Hero of Ferelden, died, or there was a new warden from Orlais, the story could move forward, someone would face the Archtect.And DA:O could progress forward, to the next arc, with Hawke, and the shared realm retained consistency. Sorry, have not had my coffee yet, and worked late last night, but I hope I am making some sense.Again Alan, thanks for taking the time.  

you are naive

[Dendio1]

Allan Schumacher wrote...

FlamingBoy wrote...

The think about dlc is they are always overvalued and it always pisses people off for 1- 2 hours of play time, also dlc does not follow regular standards of pricing they never seem to lose value except when they are on "sale", so to answer your question a more traditional expansion pack should be dlc

Wouldn't one way to make sure they weren't as overvalued be ensuring higher quality content was within them?

If the dlc is really good, then its worth my money. Mass effect dlc has been the best dlc i've ever purchased.

Keep it coming!

[MegaSovereign]

Hexley UK wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

Hexley UK wrote...

SNAKEATEN wrote...

Can't say I blame him. This s*** has been going on since day one, even in a professional environment there is only so much crap you can take...

Since day one because they release a shoddy product, if they hadn't then it wouldn't have been going on...simples.

I challenge this statement, honestly.

The whole controversy comes for the last 15 minutes of the game. As you are well aware the game itself is atleast 30+ hours long. To say that the entire game is of low quality is simply not true. I don't care how absurdly high your standards are either.

If everyone here truly believed that ME3 is a shoddy product then they wouldn't even be here. Last time I checked the Retake movement was campaigning for an ending re-write, not an entire redo of the third installment. 

Wrong, most have stated there are many more problems with the game but the biggest by far is the ending....you have to pick your battles and you go for the biggest issue/s first.

Uh huh sure. Don't know about you but at launch I was reading a lot of "the game was 99% perfect until the ending."

I don't believe the game was perfect, but the non-ending problems are not much worse than the problems that previous installments of Mass Effect had.

[Verit]

*reads*
I'm sorry but If I look at the complete picture then I find it difficult to support Gamble. Here's how it started:

Michael Gamble: Wild, rampant speculation. I love it.
Mr Comic Book: @GambleMike we dont..
Michael Gamble: @comicbookguy_UK ...too bad

That's what started the conversation in the OP.  Sorry, but what exactly did Mike Gamble expect to achieve here with
his initial comment? It's flamebait and as expected someone took a bite. I'm not saying he shouldn't post, but did he really need to post THAT? I'm sure people who are happy with the EC can find his comment funny, but there's plenty of people that don't. Here's what followed:

Mr Comic Book: @GambleMike next time u buy a book ill rip out the last 1/4 and sell u it as dlc.. See if u like it? With EA.. Im THAT cynical!
Michael Gamble: @comicbookguy_UK wow. Do you have any ****ing clue how hard the team has been working over the past year to deliver NEW content ?
Mr Comic Book: @GambleMike ive never said u guys dont work hard.. Ive bot (sic) EVERYTHING ever made with a ME label
Mike Gamble: @comicbookguy_UK my point was that we didn't strip anything out of the game and resell as dlc.

Modifié par -Draikin-, 16 septembre 2012 - 03:29 .

[Kel Riever]

First problem is this: Twitter.

Twitter is stupid.

Next problem. Don't be surprised if you put out a bad product that you get negative feedback. Even negative feedback that isn't necessarily accurate to what you think should be.

I got that people at BioWare think they are doing a really awesome job. Or trying really hard. I got that maybe even they are actually working hard. None of that means that it is true in the eye of the video game purchaser. Sure, I understand that BioWare thinks what they did is a complete story, and that this guy is accusing them of not making a complete story and forcing him to keep paying for a complete story, and some people at BioWare just are appalled and think this guy is so wrong for accusing them of that.

But that perception is a reality, and being appalled isn't going to solve that problem. I've said it before and I'll say it again...f*ck up your ending, and then stamp your feet on the ground about how it isn't f*cked up at all, and fans just need to get on board, and what you've done is just invalidate the fan opinion. It isn't going to go over well. It hasn't and it isn't, and it won't.

Aside from all that, it isn't even being open to criticism. And these guys want to claim they are 'artists.' Well, nobody opened that can of worms but them...

[inversevideo]

crimzontearz wrote...

inversevideo wrote...

Allan Schumacher wrote...At the same time, shouldn't we make DLC that people really want to experience? Shouldn't we release other DLC to help flesh out the story? Would people be more satisfied if the contents were in a more traditional "expansion pack" or even a sequel?

Alan, thank you for taking the time to interact with us, I really appreciate it.I feel the story was thrown off kilter by the introduction of the catalyst as well as the fact that the 'shared universe' was fractured into three alternate branches.  How do things continue for the next arc in the ME universe? Which universe will Leviathan impact?Don't get me wrong, I bought, played and very much enjoyed Leviathan.  But the endings still leave me feeling ... wronged somehow. Silly, I know. But I am being honest. I was prepared for Shepard to die, it's not that, it just feels like ...Shepard did not die 'right'. or worse, as I had high EMS destroy, was left in Limbo.  But that's a disccusion for another thread.I feel like the DA:O dev team got things right, with respect to the ending, of DA:O, and the the release of DLC, and expainsions.  We very much got the 'illusion' of choice in DA:O. We felt that we had control, because of how the branching was handled.  All 'choices' lead to the defeat of the Archdemon, but you had variety in how you got there. I could get the disgraced leader to do the deed, do it myself and commit the ulitmate sacrifice, or engage in an a dark act of blood magic.  Whatever I chose, the Archdemon would be vanquished, and the DA:O universe woud remain consistent.As a result, whatver DLC came next, would expand on the same realm.  Whether or not the Hero of Ferelden, died, or there was a new warden from Orlais, the story could move forward, someone would face the Archtect.And DA:O could progress forward, to the next arc, with Hawke, and the shared realm retained consistency. Sorry, have not had my coffee yet, and worked late last night, but I hope I am making some sense.Again Alan, thanks for taking the time.  

you are naive

About?  I know civil and respectful conversation is fast becoming a lost art. But perhpas you would care to make an effort ?

[Wayning_Star]

Hexley UK wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

Hexley UK wrote...

SNAKEATEN wrote...

Can't say I blame him. This s*** has been going on since day one, even in a professional environment there is only so much crap you can take...

Since day one because they release a shoddy product, if they hadn't then it wouldn't have been going on...simples.

I challenge this statement, honestly.

The whole controversy comes for the last 15 minutes of the game. As you are well aware the game itself is atleast 30+ hours long. To say that the entire game is of low quality is simply not true. I don't care how absurdly high your standards are either.

If everyone here truly believed that ME3 is a shoddy product then they wouldn't even be here. Last time I checked the Retake movement was campaigning for an ending re-write, not an entire redo of the third installment. 

Wrong, most have stated there are many more problems with the game but the biggest by far is the ending....you have to pick your battles and you go for the biggest issue/s first.

It's not a shoddy product tho.. lol soooo who's gonna win this twitter match,eh?

[Wayning_Star]

inversevideo wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

inversevideo wrote...

Allan Schumacher wrote...At the same time, shouldn't we make DLC that people really want to experience? Shouldn't we release other DLC to help flesh out the story? Would people be more satisfied if the contents were in a more traditional "expansion pack" or even a sequel?

Alan, thank you for taking the time to interact with us, I really appreciate it.I feel the story was thrown off kilter by the introduction of the catalyst as well as the fact that the 'shared universe' was fractured into three alternate branches.  How do things continue for the next arc in the ME universe? Which universe will Leviathan impact?Don't get me wrong, I bought, played and very much enjoyed Leviathan.  But the endings still leave me feeling ... wronged somehow. Silly, I know. But I am being honest. I was prepared for Shepard to die, it's not that, it just feels like ...Shepard did not die 'right'. or worse, as I had high EMS destroy, was left in Limbo.  But that's a disccusion for another thread.I feel like the DA:O dev team got things right, with respect to the ending, of DA:O, and the the release of DLC, and expainsions.  We very much got the 'illusion' of choice in DA:O. We felt that we had control, because of how the branching was handled.  All 'choices' lead to the defeat of the Archdemon, but you had variety in how you got there. I could get the disgraced leader to do the deed, do it myself and commit the ulitmate sacrifice, or engage in an a dark act of blood magic.  Whatever I chose, the Archdemon would be vanquished, and the DA:O universe woud remain consistent.As a result, whatver DLC came next, would expand on the same realm.  Whether or not the Hero of Ferelden, died, or there was a new warden from Orlais, the story could move forward, someone would face the Archtect.And DA:O could progress forward, to the next arc, with Hawke, and the shared realm retained consistency. Sorry, have not had my coffee yet, and worked late last night, but I hope I am making some sense.Again Alan, thanks for taking the time.  

you are naive

About?  I know civil and respectful conversation is fast becoming a lost art. But perhpas you would care to make an effort ?

Hint: don't feed one liners..like that old 'naive' toss..lol

[Jamie9]

Kel Riever wrote...

First problem is this: Twitter.

Twitter is stupid.

This. If you take Twitter seriously, you're doing it wrong.

[MegaSovereign]

plfranke wrote...

Mega you seem to think that the only controversial part of the game was the ending. The ending gets the most attention but it's really not even the worst part of the game. The Crucible plotline, Cerberus' handling, me2 squadmates, side quests, auto-dialogue, all of these things hurt the game. As a standalone game it's alright, but that's where they failed. They tried to make it a standalone game when it was the finale of a trilogy. So yes, with high expectations it was a terrible game. With average expectations it was an average to slightly above average game. Even excluding the endings it is not a great game.

Uhhh no I don't think that; I know that. The retake movement started purely because of the vanilla endings. People recognized the other problems but that's not what caused the media ****storm.

[Hexley UK]

MegaSovereign wrote...

Hexley UK wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

Hexley UK wrote...

SNAKEATEN wrote...

Can't say I blame him. This s*** has been going on since day one, even in a professional environment there is only so much crap you can take...

Since day one because they release a shoddy product, if they hadn't then it wouldn't have been going on...simples.

I challenge this statement, honestly.

The whole controversy comes for the last 15 minutes of the game. As you are well aware the game itself is atleast 30+ hours long. To say that the entire game is of low quality is simply not true. I don't care how absurdly high your standards are either.

If everyone here truly believed that ME3 is a shoddy product then they wouldn't even be here. Last time I checked the Retake movement was campaigning for an ending re-write, not an entire redo of the third installment. 

Wrong, most have stated there are many more problems with the game but the biggest by far is the ending....you have to pick your battles and you go for the biggest issue/s first.

Uh huh sure. Don't know about you but at launch I was reading a lot of "the game was 99% perfect until the ending."

I don't believe the game was perfect, but the non-ending problems are not much worse than the problems that previous installments of Mass Effect had.

I won't disagree that initially people were saying that....but with time more and more flaws became blatantly apparent.

Deny it all you like but this forum even now is full of people pointing out all the other flaws it has.

[inversevideo]

Wayning_Star wrote...

inversevideo wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

inversevideo wrote...

Allan Schumacher wrote...At the same time, shouldn't we make DLC that people really want to experience? Shouldn't we release other DLC to help flesh out the story? Would people be more satisfied if the contents were in a more traditional "expansion pack" or even a sequel?

Alan, thank you for taking the time to interact with us, I really appreciate it.I feel the story was thrown off kilter by the introduction of the catalyst as well as the fact that the 'shared universe' was fractured into three alternate branches.  How do things continue for the next arc in the ME universe? Which universe will Leviathan impact?Don't get me wrong, I bought, played and very much enjoyed Leviathan.  But the endings still leave me feeling ... wronged somehow. Silly, I know. But I am being honest. I was prepared for Shepard to die, it's not that, it just feels like ...Shepard did not die 'right'. or worse, as I had high EMS destroy, was left in Limbo.  But that's a disccusion for another thread.I feel like the DA:O dev team got things right, with respect to the ending, of DA:O, and the the release of DLC, and expainsions.  We very much got the 'illusion' of choice in DA:O. We felt that we had control, because of how the branching was handled.  All 'choices' lead to the defeat of the Archdemon, but you had variety in how you got there. I could get the disgraced leader to do the deed, do it myself and commit the ulitmate sacrifice, or engage in an a dark act of blood magic.  Whatever I chose, the Archdemon would be vanquished, and the DA:O universe woud remain consistent.As a result, whatver DLC came next, would expand on the same realm.  Whether or not the Hero of Ferelden, died, or there was a new warden from Orlais, the story could move forward, someone would face the Archtect.And DA:O could progress forward, to the next arc, with Hawke, and the shared realm retained consistency. Sorry, have not had my coffee yet, and worked late last night, but I hope I am making some sense.Again Alan, thanks for taking the time.  

you are naive

About?  I know civil and respectful conversation is fast becoming a lost art. But perhpas you would care to make an effort ?

Hint: don't feed one liners..like that old 'naive' toss..lol

Your right.  I'm cranky and need coffee.  And man, is it so bright and nice out right now.
I think I need to go out and take in the sunshine while I can.  

[Hexley UK]

-Draikin- wrote...

*reads*
I'm sorry but If I look at the complete picture then I find it difficult to support Gamble. Here's how it started:

Michael Gamble: Wild, rampant speculation. I love it.
Mr Comic Book: @GambleMike we dont..
Michael Gamble: @comicbookguy_UK ...too bad

That's what started the conversation in the OP.  Sorry, but what exactly did Mike Gamble expect to achieve here with
his initial comment? It's flamebait and as expected someone took a bite.
I'm not saying he shouldn't post, but did he really need to post THAT?
I'm sure people who are happy with the EC can find his comment funny,
but there's plenty of people that don't. Here's what followed:

Mr Comic Book: @GambleMike next time u buy a book ill rip out the last 1/4 and sell u it as dlc.. See if u like it? With EA.. Im THAT cynical!
Michael Gamble: @comicbookguy_UK wow. Do you have any ****ing clue how hard the team has been working over the past year to deliver NEW content ?
Mr Comic Book: @GambleMike ive never said u guys dont work hard.. Ive bot (sic) EVERYTHING ever made with a ME label
Mike Gamble: @comicbookguy_UK my point was that we didn't strip anything out of the game and resell as dlc.

Certainly looks to me like someone was being a douche....i'll let everyone who reads this themselves decide who....

Modifié par Hexley UK, 16 septembre 2012 - 03:26 .

[o Ventus]

-Draikin- wrote...

*twitter snip*

Mike Gamble: @comicbookguy_UK my point was that we didn't strip anything out of the game and resell as dlc.

I feel I must address this. Wasn't From Ashes already completed by the time they decided to make it a DLC?

[AresKeith]

Jamie9 wrote...

Kel Riever wrote...

First problem is this: Twitter.

Twitter is stupid.

This. If you take Twitter seriously, you're doing it wrong.

that mean Emily Wong isn't dead