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[MegaSovereign]

Hexley UK wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

Hexley UK wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

Hexley UK wrote...

SNAKEATEN wrote...

Can't say I blame him. This s*** has been going on since day one, even in a professional environment there is only so much crap you can take...

Since day one because they release a shoddy product, if they hadn't then it wouldn't have been going on...simples.

I challenge this statement, honestly.

The whole controversy comes for the last 15 minutes of the game. As you are well aware the game itself is atleast 30+ hours long. To say that the entire game is of low quality is simply not true. I don't care how absurdly high your standards are either.

If everyone here truly believed that ME3 is a shoddy product then they wouldn't even be here. Last time I checked the Retake movement was campaigning for an ending re-write, not an entire redo of the third installment. 

Wrong, most have stated there are many more problems with the game but the biggest by far is the ending....you have to pick your battles and you go for the biggest issue/s first.

Uh huh sure. Don't know about you but at launch I was reading a lot of "the game was 99% perfect until the ending."

I don't believe the game was perfect, but the non-ending problems are not much worse than the problems that previous installments of Mass Effect had.

I won't disagree that initially people were saying that....but with time more and more flaws became blatantly apparent.

Deny it all you like but this forum even now is full of people pointing out all the other flaws it has.

Dude I freaking wish there were more non-ending complaint threads. Hell just a week ago I was ranting about the direction Bioware took with the Geth. But threads like mine get swallowed up by "waaah I want reunion and conventional victory waaaah."

[Wayning_Star]

-Draikin- wrote...

*reads*
I'm sorry but If I look at the complete picture then I find it difficult to support Gamble. Here's how it started:

Michael Gamble: Wild, rampant speculation. I love it.
Mr Comic Book: @GambleMike we dont..
Michael Gamble: @comicbookguy_UK ...too bad

That's what started the conversation in the OP.  Sorry, but what exactly did Mike Gamble expect to achieve here with
his initial comment? It's flamebait and as expected someone took a bite.
I'm not saying he shouldn't post, but did he really need to post THAT?
I'm sure people who are happy with the EC can find his comment funny,
but there's plenty of people that don't. Here's what followed:

Mr Comic Book: @GambleMike next time u buy a book ill rip out the last 1/4 and sell u it as dlc.. See if u like it? With EA.. Im THAT cynical!
Michael Gamble: @comicbookguy_UK wow. Do you have any ****ing clue how hard the team has been working over the past year to deliver NEW content ?
Mr Comic Book: @GambleMike ive never said u guys dont work hard.. Ive bot (sic) EVERYTHING ever made with a ME label
Mike Gamble: @comicbookguy_UK my point was that we didn't strip anything out of the game and resell as dlc.

well, he did kind of get roped into it, but was trying to 'carry on' with that but alas it was going nowhere but where the responder wanted it to. If you think about it...what does' rip out pages' actually mean? Especially when the story requires user interface,immersion. How can/could anyone 'tweet' that message whiles getting pummeled by negative feedback.. Key in human nature and the reactionary intent of the that OT. He was looking for a fight, not answeres to the question..that couldn't actually be addressed in a twitter tweet.. MG should'a just said you're right..good luck with that...

[crimzontearz]

inversevideo wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...inversevideo wrote...

Allan Schumacher wrote...At the same time, shouldn't we make DLC that people really want to experience? Shouldn't we release other DLC to help flesh out the story? Would people be more satisfied if the contents were in a more traditional "expansion pack" or even a sequel?Alan, thank you for taking the time to interact with us, I really appreciate it.I feel the story was thrown off kilter by the introduction of the catalyst as well as the fact that the 'shared universe' was fractured into three alternate branches.  How do things continue for the next arc in the ME universe? Which universe will Leviathan impact?Don't get me wrong, I bought, played and very much enjoyed Leviathan.  But the endings still leave me feeling ... wronged somehow. Silly, I know. But I am being honest. I was prepared for Shepard to die, it's not that, it just feels like ...Shepard did not die 'right'. or worse, as I had high EMS destroy, was left in Limbo.  But that's a disccusion for another thread.I feel like the DA:O dev team got things right, with respect to the ending, of DA:O, and the the release of DLC, and expainsions.  We very much got the 'illusion' of choice in DA:O. We felt that we had control, because of how the branching was handled.  All 'choices' lead to the defeat of the Archdemon, but you had variety in how you got there. I could get the disgraced leader to do the deed, do it myself and commit the ulitmate sacrifice, or engage in an a dark act of blood magic.  Whatever I chose, the Archdemon would be vanquished, and the DA:O universe woud remain consistent.As a result, whatver DLC came next, would expand on the same realm.  Whether or not the Hero of Ferelden, died, or there was a new warden from Orlais, the story could move forward, someone would face the Archtect.And DA:O could progress forward, to the next arc, with Hawke, and the shared realm retained consistency. Sorry, have not had my coffee yet, and worked late last night, but I hope I am making some sense.Again Alan, thanks for taking the time.  

you are naive

About?  I know civil and respectful conversation is fast becoming a lost art. But perhpas you would care to make an effort ?

Allan started posting here saying "hey I was deeply pissed off at the endings like you guys" (read "I am like you guys and even tho I work for Bioware I am on a team completely unrelated to ME) "but I then thought about it and now I am OK with it" (nice damage control tactic to try and break through the distrust).





look, I work for a VERY large company and I am a customer service rep, our parent company is a multinational large enough to buy and sell EA many times over (in two weeks when I chance job I will be able to say which one). We ALL (including the lowliest guys) sign an agreement upon hiring saying we will represent our company even off the clock AND not doing so is ground for termination......in light of that I really cannot take anything Allan says at face value

[jokey javik]

Allan Schumacher wrote...

Well, depends. The story makes a lot more sense with it than without it. So, if you don't mind not knowing what the hell is happening and how something as important to the story as the "Catalyst" came about, then no. It's not essential.

I guess the thing is, if Leviathan is written since people are not satisfied, wouldn't it make sense that it explains more?

The thing that always got me about the Javik one is that people felt he was so important and the general vibe I got was that a lot of people hated that it was Day One DLC because they really wanted to experience his content and people felt BioWare nickel and dimed them.

At the same time, shouldn't we make DLC that people really want to experience? Shouldn't we release other DLC to help flesh out the story? Would people be more satisfied if the contents were in a more traditional "expansion pack" or even a sequel?

I will try to aproach this a different way

me2 had 10 squadmates without zaeed and kasumi so on the disc alone you get 4 more squad mates than you did in me1

me3 you are back to six squad mates and there are many times in game where you can not initiate dialouge on the normandy I am not sure about kaiden but I know ashley does not have much dialouge once she joins the team and she has for the most part become interchangeable with kaiden I blame that on the virmire survivor situation not the  event but just the corner that these characters were written into and without the virmire survivor scenairio we could of had 7 squadmates instead of six.

now about javik he is a well written character who can be the polar opposite of a paragon shepard but he is a bit lore heavy and unlike with zaeed you have to pay for him on day one instead of having a one use code that comes with the game and he priced higher than zaeed and kasumi were.

so basically in me3 you have four less squad mates than in the previous game on disc so I myself felt a bit ripped off that to get one more back to ten you have to put an extra ten down.

[crimzontearz]

-Draikin- wrote...*reads*I'm sorry but If I look at the complete picture then I find it difficult to support Gamble. Here's how it started:Michael Gamble: Wild, rampant speculation. I love it.Mr Comic Book: @GambleMike we dont.. Michael Gamble: @comicbookguy_UK ...too bad :)That's what started the conversation in the OP.  Sorry, but what exactly did Mike Gamble expect to achieve here with his initial comment? It's flamebait and as expected someone took a bite. I'm not saying he shouldn't post, but did he really need to post THAT? I'm sure people who are happy with the EC can find his comment funny, but there's plenty of people that don't. Here's what followed:Mr Comic Book: @GambleMike next time u buy a book ill rip out the last 1/4 and sell u it as dlc.. See if u like it? With EA.. Im THAT cynical!Michael Gamble: @comicbookguy_UK wow. Do you have any ****ing clue how hard the team has been working over the past year to deliver NEW content ? Mr Comic Book: @GambleMike ive never said u guys dont work hard.. Ive bot (sic) EVERYTHING ever made with a ME label Mike Gamble: @comicbookguy_UK my point was that we didn't strip anything out of the game and resell as dlc.

I love how Bioware throws us middle fingers or taunts like that and we are not supposed to be angry but smile and say "please may I have some more Master?"

[Hexley UK]

crimzontearz wrote...

-Draikin- wrote...*reads*I'm sorry but If I look at the complete picture then I find it difficult to support Gamble. Here's how it started:Michael Gamble: Wild, rampant speculation. I love it.Mr Comic Book: @GambleMike we dont.. Michael Gamble: @comicbookguy_UK ...too bad :)That's what started the conversation in the OP.  Sorry, but what exactly did Mike Gamble expect to achieve here with his initial comment? It's flamebait and as expected someone took a bite. I'm not saying he shouldn't post, but did he really need to post THAT? I'm sure people who are happy with the EC can find his comment funny, but there's plenty of people that don't. Here's what followed:Mr Comic Book: @GambleMike next time u buy a book ill rip out the last 1/4 and sell u it as dlc.. See if u like it? With EA.. Im THAT cynical!Michael Gamble: @comicbookguy_UK wow. Do you have any ****ing clue how hard the team has been working over the past year to deliver NEW content ? Mr Comic Book: @GambleMike ive never said u guys dont work hard.. Ive bot (sic) EVERYTHING ever made with a ME label Mike Gamble: @comicbookguy_UK my point was that we didn't strip anything out of the game and resell as dlc.

I love how Bioware throws us middle fingers or taunts like that and we are not supposed to be angry but smile and say "please may I have some more Master?"

We deserve it, you know because we're "Whiny" "Entitled" and "Stupid".

[crimzontearz]

Hexley UK wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...-Draikin- wrote...*reads*I'm sorry but If I look at the complete picture then I find it difficult to support Gamble. Here's how it started:Michael Gamble: Wild, rampant speculation. I love it.Mr Comic Book: @GambleMike we dont.. Michael Gamble: @comicbookguy_UK ...too bad :)That's what started the conversation in the OP.  Sorry, but what exactly did Mike Gamble expect to achieve here with his initial comment? It's flamebait and as expected someone took a bite. I'm not saying he shouldn't post, but did he really need to post THAT? I'm sure people who are happy with the EC can find his comment funny, but there's plenty of people that don't. Here's what followed:Mr Comic Book: @GambleMike next time u buy a book ill rip out the last 1/4 and sell u it as dlc.. See if u like it? With EA.. Im THAT cynical!Michael Gamble: @comicbookguy_UK wow. Do you have any ****ing clue how hard the team has been working over the past year to deliver NEW content ? Mr Comic Book: @GambleMike ive never said u guys dont work hard.. Ive bot (sic) EVERYTHING ever made with a ME label Mike Gamble: @comicbookguy_UK my point was that we didn't strip anything out of the game and resell as dlc.I love how Bioware throws us middle fingers or taunts like that and we are not supposed to be angry but smile and say "please may I have some more Master?"

We deserve it, you know because we're "Whiny" "Entitled" and "Stupid".

how is the first sentence not considered a jab at us all?

[Wayning_Star]

crimzontearz wrote...

inversevideo wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...inversevideo wrote...

Allan Schumacher wrote...At the same time, shouldn't we make DLC that people really want to experience? Shouldn't we release other DLC to help flesh out the story? Would people be more satisfied if the contents were in a more traditional "expansion pack" or even a sequel?Alan, thank you for taking the time to interact with us, I really appreciate it.I feel the story was thrown off kilter by the introduction of the catalyst as well as the fact that the 'shared universe' was fractured into three alternate branches.  How do things continue for the next arc in the ME universe? Which universe will Leviathan impact?Don't get me wrong, I bought, played and very much enjoyed Leviathan.  But the endings still leave me feeling ... wronged somehow. Silly, I know. But I am being honest. I was prepared for Shepard to die, it's not that, it just feels like ...Shepard did not die 'right'. or worse, as I had high EMS destroy, was left in Limbo.  But that's a disccusion for another thread.I feel like the DA:O dev team got things right, with respect to the ending, of DA:O, and the the release of DLC, and expainsions.  We very much got the 'illusion' of choice in DA:O. We felt that we had control, because of how the branching was handled.  All 'choices' lead to the defeat of the Archdemon, but you had variety in how you got there. I could get the disgraced leader to do the deed, do it myself and commit the ulitmate sacrifice, or engage in an a dark act of blood magic.  Whatever I chose, the Archdemon would be vanquished, and the DA:O universe woud remain consistent.As a result, whatver DLC came next, would expand on the same realm.  Whether or not the Hero of Ferelden, died, or there was a new warden from Orlais, the story could move forward, someone would face the Archtect.And DA:O could progress forward, to the next arc, with Hawke, and the shared realm retained consistency. Sorry, have not had my coffee yet, and worked late last night, but I hope I am making some sense.Again Alan, thanks for taking the time.  

you are naive

About?  I know civil and respectful conversation is fast becoming a lost art. But perhpas you would care to make an effort ?

Allan started posting here saying "hey I was deeply pissed off at the endings like you guys" (read "I am like you guys and even tho I work for Bioware I am on a team completely unrelated to ME) "but I then thought about it and now I am OK with it" (nice damage control tactic to try and break through the distrust).





look, I work for a VERY large company and I am a customer service rep, our parent company is a multinational large enough to buy and sell EA many times over (in two weeks when I chance job I will be able to say which one). We ALL (including the lowliest guys) sign an agreement upon hiring saying we will represent our company even off the clock AND not doing so is ground for termination......in light of that I really cannot take anything Allan says at face value

All well and good that your' co is all up there'n stuff, but as we out here looking in have to take that at face value, we assume you're not complementing to increase your status/credibility. We can only HOPE you're on the up'n up.

That said, it would seem that you'd have to digress, if your statement is correct, understanding the relationship revolving around company loyalties, pen dependent. But it doesn't mean that the 'other' poster should be ignored, or belittled because of your status and an apparent 'quo' involvements..

see my point.. We're trying to be "old friends" here..lol not adversarial in the least...well..you know.. Grok the sit, as it were.. like in 'communicate'.. not 'dis' communicate.. BioWarEA.

Modifié par Wayning_Star, 16 septembre 2012 - 03:42 .

[Rommel49]

MegaSovereign wrote...

Uh huh sure. Don't know about you but at launch I was reading a lot of "the game was 99% perfect until the ending."

I don't believe the game was perfect, but the non-ending problems are not much worse than the problems that previous installments of Mass Effect had.

Well, it depends on where you define "ending". Priority: Earth was, at best, uninspired as a mission, particularly compared to the Suicide Mission. Likewise for the fetch quests, etc.

I also think the ending was/is a big enough sticking point that it may well have overshadowed any other issues, given the allegations over false advertising and such.

[shepskisaac]

crimzontearz wrote...

how is the first sentence not considered a jab at us all?

Or maybe he's just happy fans are excited for next DLC? People want REALLY badly to see something cynical in everything BW devs tweet just to use it as ammo later on

[Verit]

o Ventus wrote...

-Draikin- wrote...

*twitter snip*

Mike Gamble: @comicbookguy_UK my point was that we didn't strip anything out of the game and resell as dlc.

I feel I must address this. Wasn't From Ashes already completed by the time they decided to make it a DLC?

It wasn't, they decided to turn it into DLC during development of the game because they wouldn't be able to finish it in time for release. The problem is it was released on day one. Bioware then explained the DLC had only been finished after the game went gold.  Then someone figured out how to unlock Javik as an extra character on the full game without having to own the day one DLC, method shown here:



Bioware THEN tried to explain they were only talking about the actual mission and not Javik's character.

End conclusion: It's not impossible that From Ashes wasn't completed when the game went gold, but there are plenty of signs pointing towards the possibility that it was in fact finished and could have been shipped with the game itself. People claiming that we "don't understand how DLC works" are just repeating what Bioware told them. Looking at how the events unfolded, I'm not convinced that Gamble's statement is actually true.

Modifié par -Draikin-, 16 septembre 2012 - 03:47 .

[Hexley UK]

IsaacShep wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

how is the first sentence not considered a jab at us all?

Or maybe he's just happy fans are excited for next DLC? People want REALLY badly to see something cynical in everything BW devs tweet just to use it as ammo later on

Well you know after all the blatant lies pre-me3 you have to expect people to be skeptical.

[AlanC9]

crimzontearz wrote..
look, I work for a VERY large company and I am a customer service rep, our parent company is a multinational large enough to buy and sell EA many times over (in two weeks when I chance job I will be able to say which one). We ALL (including the lowliest guys) sign an agreement upon hiring saying we will represent our company even off the clock AND not doing so is ground for termination......in light of that I really cannot take anything Allan says at face value

That doesn't make any sense. If Allan didn't want to say that stuff, he could still say nothing, couldn't he?

[darkway1]

LOL....I don't really understand what all the fuss is about.....so what if Bioware and EA stood up and told everyone who doesn't like the endings to Mass3 to SOD OFF.........it's more or less what they are doing with out actually saying it........it's all the same,same if you ask me.

Modifié par darkway1, 16 septembre 2012 - 03:43 .

[CELL55]

I thin that there is a big difference between DLC that is necessary for the story and DLC that expands on the story. But then, if the ending wasn't so terrible, I think less people would have a problem with it overall.

[Hexley UK]

crimzontearz wrote...

Hexley UK wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...-Draikin- wrote...*reads*I'm sorry but If I look at the complete picture then I find it difficult to support Gamble. Here's how it started:Michael Gamble: Wild, rampant speculation. I love it.Mr Comic Book: @GambleMike we dont.. Michael Gamble: @comicbookguy_UK ...too bad :)That's what started the conversation in the OP.  Sorry, but what exactly did Mike Gamble expect to achieve here with his initial comment? It's flamebait and as expected someone took a bite. I'm not saying he shouldn't post, but did he really need to post THAT? I'm sure people who are happy with the EC can find his comment funny, but there's plenty of people that don't. Here's what followed:Mr Comic Book: @GambleMike next time u buy a book ill rip out the last 1/4 and sell u it as dlc.. See if u like it? With EA.. Im THAT cynical!Michael Gamble: @comicbookguy_UK wow. Do you have any ****ing clue how hard the team has been working over the past year to deliver NEW content ? Mr Comic Book: @GambleMike ive never said u guys dont work hard.. Ive bot (sic) EVERYTHING ever made with a ME label Mike Gamble: @comicbookguy_UK my point was that we didn't strip anything out of the game and resell as dlc.I love how Bioware throws us middle fingers or taunts like that and we are not supposed to be angry but smile and say "please may I have some more Master?"

We deserve it, you know because we're "Whiny" "Entitled" and "Stupid".

how is the first sentence not considered a jab at us all?

I consider it a jab at all of us who don't like the ending, something which Mike must know full well.

And for the record "speculation" is quickly becoming one of my most hated words.

[Wayning_Star]

Hexley UK wrote...

IsaacShep wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

how is the first sentence not considered a jab at us all?

Or maybe he's just happy fans are excited for next DLC? People want REALLY badly to see something cynical in everything BW devs tweet just to use it as ammo later on

Well you know after all the blatant lies pre-me3 you have to expect people to be skeptical.

blatant lies doesn't qualify as a factual statement..sorry

[crimzontearz]

My company is owned by Nestle,
I guess just telling you my parent company is quite OK for now.....as I said in 2 weeks I'll gladly give you the name of my actual company and tell you a wealth if lovely info if you like. That said, he should not be ignored, but he should know what he is talking to

[Verit]

IsaacShep wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

how is the first sentence not considered a jab at us all?

Or maybe he's just happy fans are excited for next DLC? People want REALLY badly to see something cynical in everything BW devs tweet just to use it as ammo later on

I'm not saying it was an intentional jab. But what did he expect then? Was he really under the impression that the EC fixed everything and everyone would think his comment was funny? And his followup reply to comic book guys' initial comment was arguably even worse. There was no need to add more fuel to the fire he was starting, but he did it anyway.

Modifié par -Draikin-, 16 septembre 2012 - 03:46 .

[o Ventus]

Wayning_Star wrote...

blatant lies doesn't qualify as a factual statement..sorry

Hmm? There are a number of pre-release statements that turned out to be blatant lies.

[AlanC9]

-Draikin- 
End conclusion: It's not impossible that From Ashes wasn't completed when the game went gold, but there are plenty of signs pointing towards the possibility that it was in fact finished and could have been shipped with the game itself. People claiming that we "don't understand how DLC works" are just repeating what Bioware told them. Looking at how the events unfolded, I'm not convinced that what Gamble's statement is actually true.

It's conceivable. OTOH a DLC would have had a later deadline than the game proper. It'd be kind of weird for the team to beat that deadline by a few weeks.

[MegaSovereign]

-Draikin- wrote...

IsaacShep wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

how is the first sentence not considered a jab at us all?

Or maybe he's just happy fans are excited for next DLC? People want REALLY badly to see something cynical in everything BW devs tweet just to use it as ammo later on

I'm not saying it was an intentional jab. But what did he expect then? Was he really under the impression that the EC fixed everything and everyone would think his comment was funny? And his followup reply to comic book guys' initial comment was arguably even worse. There was no need to add more fuel to the fire he was starting, but he did it anyway.

People are just too sensitive. It really isn't a big deal.

[shepskisaac]

Hexley UK wrote...

IsaacShep wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

how is the first sentence not considered a jab at us all?

Or maybe he's just happy fans are excited for next DLC? People want REALLY badly to see something cynical in everything BW devs tweet just to use it as ammo later on

Well you know after all the blatant lies pre-me3 you have to expect people to be skeptical.

There's skeptical, and then there's actively seeking to interpret & twist everything BW says as a jab at fans so you can scream "look! Bioware doesn't respect us! Another jab at us". That's what some people do these days. They fish on twitter for anything they can find and run to BSN/HTL to open "OMG Bioware's so rude, another proof!" threads

[satunnainen]

crimzontearz wrote...

-Draikin- wrote...*reads*I'm sorry but If I look at the complete picture then I find it difficult to support Gamble. Here's how it started:Michael Gamble: Wild, rampant speculation. I love it.Mr Comic Book: @GambleMike we dont.. Michael Gamble: @comicbookguy_UK ...too bad :)That's what started the conversation in the OP.  Sorry, but what exactly did Mike Gamble expect to achieve here with his initial comment? It's flamebait and as expected someone took a bite. I'm not saying he shouldn't post, but did he really need to post THAT? I'm sure people who are happy with the EC can find his comment funny, but there's plenty of people that don't. Here's what followed:Mr Comic Book: @GambleMike next time u buy a book ill rip out the last 1/4 and sell u it as dlc.. See if u like it? With EA.. Im THAT cynical!Michael Gamble: @comicbookguy_UK wow. Do you have any ****ing clue how hard the team has been working over the past year to deliver NEW content ? Mr Comic Book: @GambleMike ive never said u guys dont work hard.. Ive bot (sic) EVERYTHING ever made with a ME label Mike Gamble: @comicbookguy_UK my point was that we didn't strip anything out of the game and resell as dlc.

I love how Bioware throws us middle fingers or taunts like that and we are not supposed to be angry but smile and say "please may I have some more Master?"

Its part of adult life to learn not to get offended about every single thing you can theoretically get offended. You dont have to agree with everything either. There are other ways to deal with conflicts like this, like... umm... discussion.

No, I did not just speculate about anyones age.