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[ShepnTali]

halbert986 wrote...

his response doesn't make any sense. I don't care how "hard" people have been working, and neither does that guy on twitter. That has nothing to do with what he said.

Yeah. With an F bomb.

[Jadebaby]

halbert986 wrote...

his response doesn't make any sense. I don't care how "hard" people have been working, and neither does that guy on twitter. That has nothing to do with what he said.

NEW content, the point he was making is that they haven't taken anything out of the game that was already in there to sell later.

[satunnainen]

N7 Lisbeth wrote...

Siran wrote...

Would have answered the same way. Giving Mike crap this way - not cool. These people expand the ME universe for us, even after all the hate they've been confronted with and some still are so immature and openly hate on them.

It's not immature, it's called anger. People are angry. Bioware made them angry. Blaming the fans for being made angry by Bioware is pointing the finger at the wrong party. Hey, I understand what you're trying to get at, you think Bioware tried to meet the fans halfway. But they didn't, and very few people feel that way. There are some that do, sure. But there's a ton of people that have very strong feelings, not because they hate Mass Effect, but because they love Mass Effect and hate what happened to it.

As for new content, none of it matters after the endings. More EMS? Oookay. Remember, they flat out said no more changes to the endings, so at this point, how can you really replay it? I replayed ME1 and ME2 a bunch of times and loved each playthrough for different reasons. I played ME3 once. I can't replay it. Maybe  you enjoy self-inflicted pain, the vast majority of people do not.

No, anyone having a genuine anger over some damn detail in some damn video game 6+ months after the release of the game is having some serious "issues". I would suggest seeking professional help in that case.

On the other hand I assume that guy is just taking the opportunity for some "entitled" trolling because he is "angry". Some people dont bother behaving if they think they can get away with acting like arses.

[N7 Lisbeth]

Siran wrote...
And please stop implying everyone hates ME3 and it would be a pain to replay it. You make yourself and your arguments look ridiculous.

Similarly, please stop implying everyone except a tiny minority can stomach the endings, much less like them. It's pretty clear there's quite a demographic out there, but let's be honest. These have been charted with surveys, and the negative came out ahead in a landslide. Official surveys, btw.

[ShepnTali]

They get to swear on twitter, swearing in the game, but I can't swear here. This is **** with a side of **** and a pinch of ****!

[Jadebaby]

Siran wrote...

And please stop implying everyone hates ME3 and it would be a pain to replay it. You make yourself and your arguments look ridiculous.

Stop trying to incite arguements and/or trolling. You were not even apart of their conversation, stay out of it and if you have nothing nice to say, say nothing at all. Or you just appear to be as immature as person your claiming is.

[Jadebaby]

This thread should be locked,it's not going anywhere good.

[halbert986]

the white knighting.... IT BURNS

[N7 Lisbeth]

scyphozoa wrote...
Its a first world problem. Sorry, I have zero sympathy for people who think being entertained is important enough to rage over. The obnoxious behavior, the personal attacks and the cynical conspiracies and assumptions. They are all nonsense. Entertainment is a luxury, it is not a right.

You're belittling them without even trying to understand them. You keep harping on entertainment, but you're forgetting that these games got people emotionally involved. It encouraged it. It's like telling me telling you that you don't own your wife, so you're not allowed to feel angry she betrayed you. That's a first world problem, people are dying from hunger and you're obsessed about your wife sleeping with another man.

It is always possible to disregard that which we don't agree with because there are "more important things," like you're doing. The trick is not to.

[Siran]

Jade8aby88 wrote...

Siran wrote...

And please stop implying everyone hates ME3 and it would be a pain to replay it. You make yourself and your arguments look ridiculous.

Stop trying to incite arguements and/or trolling. You were not even apart of their conversation, stay out of it and if you have nothing nice to say, say nothing at all. Or you just appear to be as immature as person your claiming is.

I'm the wrong person to rant to, N7 Lisbeth started the arguments over how any new DLC wouldn't matter and everyone hated ME3 anyway. which just isn't true. I don't see how your statement could be seen as anything else but trying to incite an argument by your own standards by the way...

[N7 Lisbeth]

Jade8aby88 wrote...

This thread should be locked,it's not going anywhere good.

I don't see anything wrong with civil discussions or polite disagreements, but you're probably right.

I find seeing this happen on Twitter relevant to a degree, partly because I'm trying to bottle up some of that rage myself and focus it elsewhere and seeing how poorly people treat them helps reinforce it's something I do not want to do.

[halbert986]

Why are we expected to feel grateful that these people are doing their jobs? It's planned DLC... Not like they're rushing to retcon the series.

[N7 Lisbeth]

Siran wrote...

I'm the wrong person to rant to, N7 Lisbeth started the arguments over how any new DLC wouldn't matter and everyone hated ME3 anyway. which just isn't true. I don't see how your statement could be seen as anything else but trying to incite an argument by your own standards by the way...

You're welcome to read my posts (more to the point, re-read them), but not put words in my mouth.

I said I understood what the person on Twitter was doing, that they were angry at Bioware and a possible reason why he was angry was because of the endings. That could in turn explain why he it was too late. I said I understood because I was likewise angry at them for their endings. (But not the delayed content.)

I've been fairly civil. Perhaps overly interested, but hey, this is a forum and it's conversation.

Modifié par N7 Lisbeth, 16 septembre 2012 - 08:10 .

[StElmo]

N7 Lisbeth wrote...

StElmo wrote...

I understand both sides to be honest. You read those pre-release quotes and you can't help but start making assumptions, given how silent BW are on the whole thing.

Then again, being a douche on twitter is something I learned does nothing to help the situation a while ago now.

Posting in succession a bit, just interested in some of these points being brought up.

I agree, to a degree, StElmo. Anyone with an iota of common sense will. I don't read Twitter, all I have to judge is the small sample here. The fan was angry, didn't call anyone names, didn't disrespect anyone. He made an analogy that I can't defend, content that wasn't included in the game, but I can understand the anger because he can't play that content now after having played ME3 once. Very few of us can play it a second time with those endings.

It's more that given how PR minded BW are now - I can understand some fans turning into jerks.

That doesn't excuse them. And I have been guilty of getting frustrated with Mike Gamble in the past on twitter too - I remember getting annoyed that BW never answered questions regarding certain plot points - only to get a retort on that particular tweet for being rude to them (figures). But alas, its not very good to be all angry and annoyed on the internet at the devs, they have their jobs to maintain and you can't really expect them to put up with ignorant inferences.

I would like some more openess and discussion with the devs, but that is irrelevant and I can sympathise with gambles response in this case.

[Karmicmoogle]

I like Gamble but the tweet that was sent to him was not disrespectful. The tweet is relevant - whether the content was "ripped or not is not the issue", the issue is that plot elements were consciously not included in the game with the intent to sell it to the customer at a later stage. Bioware did this to themselves and I do not believe that no one there didn't see this coming. If I buy a game that is in episodic format then I do not expect all the plot elements to be included in one episode. If I buy a game then I expect that the most important plot elements will be included in the game. The origin of the antagonist is plot important. From Ashes is plot important...Imagine playing ME1 without Shep discovering the prothean beacon...You can still play the game but the story loses some of the context. DLC was cool in the beginning as it only expanded game play but now devs are expanding the plots - I wouldn't mind if it was minor plot points but really the antagonist's origin is not included on disc???

On the social media front - yes it is a personal account BUT you are still a representative of the company. I still like Gamble though but I think his response was a bit over the top. I work in customer care so i know how it feels to have people constantly judging, screaming, swearing etc but it is part of the job. If I were to swear while speaking to someone, and yes a customer has found me on facebook, it would still be seen as putting our company in disrepute. I was respectful and responded respectfully. Jessica does this a lot from her twitter account.

[ShepnTali]

Jade8aby88 wrote...

This thread should be locked,it's not going anywhere good.

Should be? Will be. This is trouble from the get go.

[StElmo]

Karmicmoogle wrote...

I like Gamble but the tweet that was sent to him was not disrespectful. The tweet is relevant - whether the content was "ripped or not is not the issue",

But that is why he was completely justified to respond that way, the wording of the tweet had no tact. I'd tell them to eff off too.

[jkflipflopDAO]

OMG! A Bioware employee encountered a jerk on the internet?!?!?

SEND IN THE MARINES!!!!!!

[halbert986]

Am I the only person who sees nothing wrong with that tweet? Jesus you'd think the guy told him his daughter was a prostitute or something. All he did was provide a clever metaphor to the abstract concept of bad writing.

[sammysoso]

If I was him, I'd have been using words like that for a looooooong time.

They get way too much flak. Yes, I was disappointed like a lot of people, but the total lack of respect by "fans" has gotten to be ridiculous.

The belittling of the folks at BioWare, good nice people from what I can tell, has been disgusting.

[jkflipflopDAO]

"my point was that we didn't strip anything out of the game and resell as dlc."

Except a proper ending to the trilogy. Assclown.

[SpamBot2000]

Sajuro wrote...

I don't ****ing blame him for flipping his ****, 'fans' are being such ****ing children about the whole mess and its time like this I think they should give developers and community mods the technology to punch people through the internet.

Yeah well, it was BioWare who broke the toys so no one else could play. 

And this punch tech of yours, would it be 2 way or just reserved for our corporate overlords?

[N7 Lisbeth]

StElmo wrote...

I would like some more openess and discussion with the devs, but that is irrelevant and I can sympathise with gambles response in this case.

Ah, I see. Well, I don't fault Mike Gamble for his short temper. If someone's angry at you, it's a difficult balance not directing that anger right back. Mike's only human, after all.

Karmicmoogle wrote...

I like Gamble but the tweet that was sent to him was not disrespectful.
The tweet is relevant - whether the content was "ripped or not is not
the issue", the issue is that plot elements were consciously not
included in the game with the intent to sell it to the customer at a
later stage.

Ah, DLC. This topic shift was coming and probably none too soon.

I have mixed feelings about DLC. On one hand, I support big, noteworthy DLCs that add real content. Those are worth money. I am not a fan of purchased-DLCs that are just weapons (that clearly alter the balance of the game), or poorly done npcs (at the end of the day, I can say Kasumi was a good character to add to the story, but I found her useless in the game itself and she hardly interacted within the millieu -- her DLC was simply poorly done and not worth money). So I mentioned two types of DLCs that are unwanted -- poor quality and items-only.

I actually ended up paying more for ME2's DLCs than I paid for the game itself. That's not a good sign. But it's a balance they're still striking. I think they did a better job with ME3 DLCs, adding most of the weapons and MP stuff for free, while charging for content-based ones. (I'm not forgetting the purchase-weapon DLC, just saying they've been better this time. It'd be easy to argue that there's less content for ME3 than ME2, but I think they're taking babysteps with 'should we charge for MP DLC?' because they want it to be important, so they're starting with freebies.)

I also agree with you about not losing your cool as spokesperson of your company. I have a great deal of respect for anyone that takes heat and at the end of the day, calmly and thoroughly addresses it.

Modifié par N7 Lisbeth, 16 septembre 2012 - 08:25 .

[Jayce]

It's pointless to talk about maturity on the internet. Most of the loud mouth douches are 12 and 13 year olds who you would never even waste your breath on in a real life encounter. You just don't realize it most of the time because everybody is reduced to a username and an avatar.