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[plfranke]

He could have a survey of every person who had ever played mass effect 3 or seen the ending and you guys would still challenge it for any reason you could think of to stay in your delusions.

[Rafficus III]

Allan Schumacher wrote...

I guess what I'm saying is, "what type of content do you think SHOULD be in the DLC?"

If it is DLC for the finale of a trilogy, I'd say more squadmate time and interaction would be preferable as some of us want more time with those characters. For ME3, DLC that could add new changes to the ending would give incentive for replayability and also tie some fans over who are still hollering for new endings. Personally, it hurt seeing characters you have grown close to just let go of so quickly; I would have liked seeing a DA:O end where we see what happened to each of them with some background text,. However, I respect their wishes and direction even if it puts us at odds. It's shameful to see people treating Gamble and others like this, reminds me of the DA2 fallout which ended with DA2 DLC being scrapped and me being extremely upset. I appreciate the DEV's who made the EC happen and the trilogy for that matter. I just hope they don't take this shameful hate to heart, they still have loyal fans who care about them. 

[Wayning_Star]

KENNY4753 wrote...

I love all the huge quote pyramids

my personal favorite is the logical fallacy... pyramid. Polls aren't facts..lol

[mauro2222]

[BrookerT]

plfranke wrote...

He could have a survey of every person who had ever played mass effect 3 or seen the ending and you guys would still challenge it for any reason you could think of to stay in your delusions.

Well, until that actually happens its no more a delusion than believing what you do

[CrazyRah]

I really don't get why he did respond to that tweet from the start. It's a written response so if he must respond to it for whatever reason then he can think about a good response. The way he responded now was just unprofessional.

[Little Princess Peach]

What I would really like to see is the original ending made as a video and the fans could vote on which they want the dark whole plot of the current one we have. and those who like ending that we already have they wont need to downlaod anything

[satunnainen]

Hexley UK wrote...

satunnainen wrote...

BrookerT wrote...

plfranke wrote...

Hexley UK wrote...


www.creatingcustomerevangelists.com/resources/columnsarticles/fight_the_fear.asp

Quote - "Research firm TARP has found that for every person who complains, there
are 26 who do not. That means if 10 customers complain, another 260 may
have quietly dumped you, never to call again. To know what customers are
thinking, ask them."

A poll at the time of ME3's release had 70k+ users polled with a wopping 91% saying they hated the ending.

social.bioware.com/633606/polls/28989/

Care to prove me wrong?

Show me some evidence.

Of course they're not going to show you any evidence. All you're gonna get is "We can never know for sure how many people like or hate the ending." Which is bs. BSN for instance had a huge number of people leave the forums because they hate the ending and yet the majority of threads that are made still revolve around ending hate.

Yes because 70k is a majoirty in a sample size of 3.5 million

Havent we had this argument about 20 times already. BSN poll sample size is not 3.5 million, you can start from that.

Edit, ärh, not what you said either, so there.

Lol I show you evidence and facts, you choose to ignore them.

Well, what did you expect after you earlier in this thread said that you are here only for trolling and complaining.

Anyway its an old survey, it talks about people mailing(letters), calling or visiting a company to complain. In the internet its lot easier to complain (just click some button in a webpage).

For example, there were few years ago some political or whatever problem, people wanted to do a demonstration near the parlament house (very easy to get to). About 100k people supported in facebook. less than 50 bothered to show up. Well, I say 50 and I am exaggerating a bit. There was a pic with about 20 participants. So internet polls are not very reliable method.

[BrookerT]

mauro2222 wrote...

[Hexley UK]

satunnainen wrote...

Hexley UK wrote...

satunnainen wrote...

BrookerT wrote...

plfranke wrote...

Hexley UK wrote...


www.creatingcustomerevangelists.com/resources/columnsarticles/fight_the_fear.asp

Quote - "Research firm TARP has found that for every person who complains, there
are 26 who do not. That means if 10 customers complain, another 260 may
have quietly dumped you, never to call again. To know what customers are
thinking, ask them."

A poll at the time of ME3's release had 70k+ users polled with a wopping 91% saying they hated the ending.

social.bioware.com/633606/polls/28989/

Care to prove me wrong?

Show me some evidence.

Of course they're not going to show you any evidence. All you're gonna get is "We can never know for sure how many people like or hate the ending." Which is bs. BSN for instance had a huge number of people leave the forums because they hate the ending and yet the majority of threads that are made still revolve around ending hate.

Yes because 70k is a majoirty in a sample size of 3.5 million

Havent we had this argument about 20 times already. BSN poll sample size is not 3.5 million, you can start from that.

Edit, ärh, not what you said either, so there.

Lol I show you evidence and facts, you choose to ignore them.

Well, what did you expect after you earlier in this thread said that you are here only for trolling and complaining.

Anyway its an old survey, it talks about people mailing(letters), calling or visiting a company to complain. In the internet its lot easier to complain (just click some button in a webpage).

For example, there were few years ago some political or whatever problem, people wanted to do a demonstration near the parlament house (very easy to get to). About 100k people supported in facebook. less than 50 bothered to show up. Well, I say 50 and I am exaggerating a bit. There was a pic with about 20 participants. So internet polls are not very reliable method.

You stay in your nice little delusional bubble m8, see how that works out for ya.

And for the record I never said i'm here to troll, complain yes, troll no.

Modifié par Hexley UK, 16 septembre 2012 - 05:19 .

[BrookerT]

Hexley UK wrote...

satunnainen wrote...

Hexley UK wrote...

satunnainen wrote...

BrookerT wrote...

plfranke wrote...

Hexley UK wrote...


www.creatingcustomerevangelists.com/resources/columnsarticles/fight_the_fear.asp

Quote - "Research firm TARP has found that for every person who complains, there
are 26 who do not. That means if 10 customers complain, another 260 may
have quietly dumped you, never to call again. To know what customers are
thinking, ask them."

A poll at the time of ME3's release had 70k+ users polled with a wopping 91% saying they hated the ending.

social.bioware.com/633606/polls/28989/

Care to prove me wrong?

Show me some evidence.

Of course they're not going to show you any evidence. All you're gonna get is "We can never know for sure how many people like or hate the ending." Which is bs. BSN for instance had a huge number of people leave the forums because they hate the ending and yet the majority of threads that are made still revolve around ending hate.

Yes because 70k is a majoirty in a sample size of 3.5 million

Havent we had this argument about 20 times already. BSN poll sample size is not 3.5 million, you can start from that.

Edit, ärh, not what you said either, so there.

Lol I show you evidence and facts, you choose to ignore them.

Well, what did you expect after you earlier in this thread said that you are here only for trolling and complaining.

Anyway its an old survey, it talks about people mailing(letters), calling or visiting a company to complain. In the internet its lot easier to complain (just click some button in a webpage).

For example, there were few years ago some political or whatever problem, people wanted to do a demonstration near the parlament house (very easy to get to). About 100k people supported in facebook. less than 50 bothered to show up. Well, I say 50 and I am exaggerating a bit. There was a pic with about 20 participants. So internet polls are not very reliable method.

You stay in your nice little delusional bubble m8, see how that works out for ya.

And you accuse me of being a troll. 

[KENNY4753]

AresKeith wrote...

Tali-vas-normandy wrote...

This makes me sad, with idiots like that causing problems for the devs on Bioware team.
I admit I hate the endings so much but I dont go around attacking every dev that cross's my path.

There are ways to deal with this with out swearing or arguing and the childish rants.
If you just put anger aside and try to see it from the devs point of view you will end up in a civil place.

^ This

 
So he used the f word. What's the big deal? Sure he may be agitated at rude fans and their rude messages as would any of us in his shoes. I just mean that people are going to blow this up to be a big deal. It really isn't. 

Sure I may be pissed with what became of ME3 and I will openly express my criticism but there is a difference between that and sending rude/hate mail. Obviously if he got angry the criticism probably was very negative and rude.

[Wayning_Star]

hornedfrog87 wrote...

Allan Schumacher wrote...

I guess what I'm saying is, "what type of content do you think SHOULD be in the DLC?"

If it is DLC for the finale of a trilogy, I'd say more squadmate time and interaction would be preferable as some of us want more time with those characters. For ME3, DLC that could add new changes to the ending would give incentive for replayability and also tie some fans over who are still hollering for new endings. Personally, it hurt seeing characters you have grown close to just let go of so quickly; I would have liked seeing a DA:O end where we see what happened to each of them with some background text,. However, I respect their wishes and direction even if it puts us at odds. It's shameful to see people treating Gamble and others like this, reminds me of the DA2 fallout which ended with DA2 DLC being scrapped and me being extremely upset. I appreciate the DEV's who made the EC happen and the trilogy for that matter. I just hope they don't take this shameful hate to heart, they still have loyal fans who care about them. 

I'd like to know who programmed the crucible and designed it and who the heck actually brought Shepard back from the friggen dead..lol

I'll go nuts unless they build that/those ones.. My sanity is in BioWarEAs' hands..er..computers..well, imaginations..

never mind.. I'm off to a political asylum now..

[KENNY4753]

Wayning_Star wrote...

KENNY4753 wrote...

I love all the huge quote pyramids

my personal favorite is the logical fallacy... pyramid. Polls aren't facts..lol

Especially BSN polls. What does the BS in BSN stand for I wonder. You can't base your info on a BSN poll from before the EC. A lot has changed since then and more people like it. I still hate it but that's my opinion.

[Bill Casey]

I support Mike Gamble's statement...

[Baa Baa]

Bill Casey wrote...

I support Mike Gamble's statement...

Mike Gamble is the hero BSN deserves....

[AresKeith]

KENNY4753 wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

Tali-vas-normandy wrote...

This makes me sad, with idiots like that causing problems for the devs on Bioware team.
I admit I hate the endings so much but I dont go around attacking every dev that cross's my path.

There are ways to deal with this with out swearing or arguing and the childish rants.
If you just put anger aside and try to see it from the devs point of view you will end up in a civil place.

^ This

 
So he used the f word. What's the big deal? Sure he may be agitated at rude fans and their rude messages as would any of us in his shoes. I just mean that people are going to blow this up to be a big deal. It really isn't. 

Sure I may be pissed with what became of ME3 and I will openly express my criticism but there is a difference between that and sending rude/hate mail. Obviously if he got angry the criticism probably was very negative and rude.

this was about people not acting civil towards the devs like Gamble

[barbara2012]

i love this kind of topics really, because I can see the different mature views about something specific

now:


Sion1138 agreed with you here because i would too definitely prefer expansion packs, because if bioware want stick in theirs ends, nice for them ( not for me of course), but i would like to know what happen then with a character with whom you played the trilogy and his universe....to me this ends were rushed and incompleted and i dont like pay a game to enjoy it on my imagination ...


iSousek agreed 100 % with you here...Lair of the Shadow Broker expanded not only on her romance arc, but also on her general character progress...and it gave some answers about why Liara was diferent from ME1 and what was hapennig with her.

Omg EnvyTB075 you resume well my feelings about leviatan dlc

Shep: "oh i met your creators"
Catalyst: "thats nice, now jump into the beam"


firstarioch totally agreed 100 % with you...


plfranke agreed 100 with you here too


be well ladys and gentlemen and I hope all this feedback will serve as something

[Tazzmission]

Ser Issac wrote...

https://twitter.com/...219206716792832

@comicbookguy_UK: "next time u buy a book ill rip out the last 1/4 and sell u it as dlc.. See if u like it? With EA.. Im THAT cynical!"

@GambleMike: "wow. Do you have any ****ing clue how hard the team has been working over the past year to deliver NEW content ?"

I'm not judging him. I just find it hilarious that dev and fan discussion over the ME3 ending has reached this point, especially since Gamble was originally just tweeting about the DLC screenshot unveiled today.

good im glad he is standing up for himself. im sick of fans trying to be jack asses to the devs

[Wayning_Star]

KENNY4753 wrote...

Wayning_Star wrote...

KENNY4753 wrote...

I love all the huge quote pyramids

my personal favorite is the logical fallacy... pyramid. Polls aren't facts..lol

Especially BSN polls. What does the BS in BSN stand for I wonder. You can't base your info on a BSN poll from before the EC. A lot has changed since then and more people like it. I still hate it but that's my opinion.

I always did like it and still do. It's not a matter of perfection..only quality. We must judge our ability to quantify quality tho.. hard to do from a 'fan' perspective. It's impossible, imo, to have an instant gratification in a good story as that would make more/other fans mad as well, maybe madder.

Hate never really pays off in the long run..

[KENNY4753]

AresKeith wrote...

KENNY4753 wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

Tali-vas-normandy wrote...

This makes me sad, with idiots like that causing problems for the devs on Bioware team.
I admit I hate the endings so much but I dont go around attacking every dev that cross's my path.

There are ways to deal with this with out swearing or arguing and the childish rants.
If you just put anger aside and try to see it from the devs point of view you will end up in a civil place.

^ This

 
So he used the f word. What's the big deal? Sure he may be agitated at rude fans and their rude messages as would any of us in his shoes. I just mean that people are going to blow this up to be a big deal. It really isn't. 

Sure I may be pissed with what became of ME3 and I will openly express my criticism but there is a difference between that and sending rude/hate mail. Obviously if he got angry the criticism probably was very negative and rude.

this was about people not acting civil towards the devs like Gamble

I know and that's what I'm saying. If people aren't acting civil to him or any other dev I can understand him saying the f word.

[Bill Casey]

Lots of f**kyoulation for everyone...

Modifié par Bill Casey, 16 septembre 2012 - 05:31 .

[clarkusdarkus]

They just dont accept/like criticism do they........by selling a product your opening yourself up to your customers not being satisfied with everything you do. When theres a continued trend of crap DA2/TOR/ME3...followed by scandellous day 1 dlc, Mockery of customers who didnt like your ending and gimmicks through twitter/Forcing MP to get the best ending, then expect a backlash from fans who have stuck by you and warrant there voice as afterall..............its there money you want isnt it?

[Hexley UK]

BrookerT wrote...

Hexley UK wrote...

satunnainen wrote...

Hexley UK wrote...

satunnainen wrote...

BrookerT wrote...

plfranke wrote...

Hexley UK wrote...


www.creatingcustomerevangelists.com/resources/columnsarticles/fight_the_fear.asp

Quote - "Research firm TARP has found that for every person who complains, there
are 26 who do not. That means if 10 customers complain, another 260 may
have quietly dumped you, never to call again. To know what customers are
thinking, ask them."

A poll at the time of ME3's release had 70k+ users polled with a wopping 91% saying they hated the ending.

social.bioware.com/633606/polls/28989/

Care to prove me wrong?

Show me some evidence.

Of course they're not going to show you any evidence. All you're gonna get is "We can never know for sure how many people like or hate the ending." Which is bs. BSN for instance had a huge number of people leave the forums because they hate the ending and yet the majority of threads that are made still revolve around ending hate.

Yes because 70k is a majoirty in a sample size of 3.5 million

Havent we had this argument about 20 times already. BSN poll sample size is not 3.5 million, you can start from that.

Edit, ärh, not what you said either, so there.

Lol I show you evidence and facts, you choose to ignore them.

Well, what did you expect after you earlier in this thread said that you are here only for trolling and complaining.

Anyway its an old survey, it talks about people mailing(letters), calling or visiting a company to complain. In the internet its lot easier to complain (just click some button in a webpage).

For example, there were few years ago some political or whatever problem, people wanted to do a demonstration near the parlament house (very easy to get to). About 100k people supported in facebook. less than 50 bothered to show up. Well, I say 50 and I am exaggerating a bit. There was a pic with about 20 participants. So internet polls are not very reliable method.

You stay in your nice little delusional bubble m8, see how that works out for ya.

And you accuse me of being a troll. 

Don't get mad because I owned you m8.

Still waiting on your evidence btw.