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[Karmicmoogle]

But the response didn't have tact either. The tweet to Gamble didn't claim that people were not working hard on content. As a customer he expressed how it felt for him. In the end Bioware is out to make money but alienating customers/fans is not the way to go about it. There are no victims here, this is business.

Granted some of the tweets that people send to devs are really disrespectful but it comes with the job. If you are going to put yourself out there then it stands to reason that you will be judged etc. It comes with social media.

[N7 Lisbeth]

Jayce F wrote...

It's pointless to talk about maturity on the internet. Most of the loud mouth douches are 12 and 13 year olds who you would never even waste your breath on in a real life encounter. You just don't realize it most of the time because everybody is reduced to a username and an avatar.

To be open-minded, it's actually mostly adults. Yes, the gaming demographic is aimed at 14-25 year-olds, but people that buy sci-fi games are more often 14-60 with a strong showing of the 20's, 30's, and 40's. By the way, 12 and 13 year-olds can't buy M rated games. (Neither can the 14-17 demographic, but I was just quoting statistics, not referencing ratings.)

Modifié par N7 Lisbeth, 16 septembre 2012 - 08:28 .

[Jayce]

DLC is always a tightrope though. Make it adjunctive and you get horse armor. Make it relevant to the plot and everybody whines that it wasn't there in the first place.

[Hrothdane]

Posting the comment to a developer's personal twitter account was improper, as was the disrespectful tone of the message. However rude he might have been though, this comicbookguy_uk does make a good point.

They DID rip out the Javik storyline and sell it as DLC. In the leaked beta script from November 2011, he was a central and completely necessary part of the plot.

[Mr.BlazenGlazen]

jkflipflopDAO wrote...

"my point was that we didn't strip anything out of the game and resell as dlc."

Except a proper ending to the trilogy. Assclown.

Yeah because I'm sure a whopping price of $0.00 totally puts the bleed on your wallet. 

[N7 Lisbeth]

Hrothdane wrote...

Posting the comment to a developer's personal twitter account was improper, as was the disrespectful tone of the message. However rude he might have been though, this comicbookguy_uk does make a good point.

They DID rip out the Javik storyline and sell it as DLC. In the leaked beta script from November 2011, he was a central and completely necessary part of the plot.

if anything, I think tearing him out of the core plot was a mistake. I'd have paid more up-front for the game if it included that story arc. I always felt that Javik's story was somehow stifled, and I think I understand why. We all lost on that one. I'm still glad he was made available though. There was enough there that I enjoyed to include him, and his in-game mechanics made him usable and he interacted a fair bit in the milieu. (Some real nice stuff on Thessia if you bring him and Liara.)

It's something I can overlook though. More than likely they were just chopping stuff from the main story's arc, and Javik was edited out. (Pretty common in the film medium too.) Those central plot points were chopped because it bloated or slowed it down, or maybe someone just didn't agree with its inclusion or they ran out of time. He really was an interesting character though.

Modifié par N7 Lisbeth, 16 septembre 2012 - 08:33 .

[Necrotron]

They've been under the barrage of relentless complaints since the release of ME3. As a developer, they have to be used to a certain level, but the level they've seen with this is probably more than they can tolerate at times.

It's hard to be perfectly professional at all times.  Considering what they've heard and seen the last six months, I'm sure they deserve some slack.

Modifié par Bathaius, 16 septembre 2012 - 08:33 .

[David7204]

Jayce F wrote...

DLC is always a tightrope though. Make it adjunctive and you get horse armor. Make it relevant to the plot and everybody whines that it wasn't there in the first place.

Couldn't agree more. You make DLC unrelated to the main story and people whine that it isn't worth buying. You make DLC with character and plot development or consequences in the rest of the game and people whine that it should have been in the stock game.

[N7 Lisbeth]

David7204 wrote...

Jayce F wrote...

DLC is always a tightrope though. Make it adjunctive and you get horse armor. Make it relevant to the plot and everybody whines that it wasn't there in the first place.

Couldn't agree more. You make DLC unrelated to the main story and people whine that it isn't worth buying. You make DLC with character and plot development or consequences in the rest of the game and people whine that it should have been in the stock game.

I'd be in the first category, but not in the second. I have never complain about purchasable content that adds depth and I never will. I encourage and welcome it. I love a good story, and understand that production, casting, coding, and all the things that go into creating that addon cost money. It's worth buying if it's done well.

Modifié par N7 Lisbeth, 16 septembre 2012 - 08:37 .

[Jayce]

N7 Lisbeth wrote...

Jayce F wrote...

It's pointless to talk about maturity on the internet. Most of the loud mouth douches are 12 and 13 year olds who you would never even waste your breath on in a real life encounter. You just don't realize it most of the time because everybody is reduced to a username and an avatar.

To be open-minded, it's actually mostly adults. Yes, the gaming demographic is aimed at 14-25 year-olds, but people that buy sci-fi games are more often 14-60 with a strong showing of the 20's, 30's, and 40's. By the way, 12 and 13 year-olds can't buy M rated games.

....Only in world where parents pay attention to age ratings. Most don't. Sure there are plenty of adults on the internet (I'm in my 30s myself) but it's naieve to assume they're a majority. Believe me they aren't, I've seen the data. The majority age range of gamers is 11-17 there are plenty of 20 and 30+ year olds out there, but they tail off significantly in numbers compared to young teens.

[David7204]

What is there was a 'perfect' ending to ME 3 but it required all DLC to be played? At least at launch, anyway. (Except Pinnacle Station and perhaps Firewalker.)

Modifié par David7204, 16 septembre 2012 - 08:38 .

[satunnainen]

Hrothdane wrote...

Posting the comment to a developer's personal twitter account was improper, as was the disrespectful tone of the message. However rude he might have been though, this comicbookguy_uk does make a good point.

They DID rip out the Javik storyline and sell it as DLC. In the leaked beta script from November 2011, he was a central and completely necessary part of the plot.

I thought they were planning to release Javik only with Collectors Edition, but after the (beta) players wanted some way to get it with normal edition they decided to release it as dlc. So they were only giving players what they wanted. Which proves that no good deed ever goes unpunished.

[N7 Lisbeth]

Jayce F wrote...

....Only in world where parents pay attention to age ratings. Most don't.

Actually, the stores won't let them purchase it. And 12 and 13 year-olds don't have credit cards to purchase online. If a parent somehow lacks the parenting to control the use of their credit card, then they have serious issues that need resolving.

Again, I believe you are mistaken on the ages you believe you're seeing and there are statistics out there to prove it, even if you want to ignore the mandatory age minimums.

[Tasker]

Arppis wrote...

People need to give Bioware some break.

Personally, I'll only give them a break when they give me the ME3 that I was promised right up untill the week before they released the POS that I got..

[N7 Lisbeth]

satunnainen wrote...

I thought they were planning to release Javik only with Collectors Edition, but after the (beta) players wanted some way to get it with normal edition they decided to release it as dlc. So they were only giving players what they wanted. Which proves that no good deed ever goes unpunished.

This was the first time since I bought the game that Javik's inclusion has been brought up at all, nevermind openly disliked. I didn't get the impression that happened at all, or happened on a noteworthy scale anyway.

If, as you say, that's what it amounted to -- collectors vs dlc -- I think they did the right thing. Collectors edition would've been a very poor way to go for that in terms of accessibility.

[ShepnTali]

Did you catch this part.. "Wild, rampant speculation. I love it"


Does Mike Gamble love wild, rampant speculation?


Or does he love... IT?

[Jayce]

N7 Lisbeth wrote...

Jayce F wrote...

....Only in world where parents pay attention to age ratings. Most don't.

Actually, the stores won't let them purchase it. And 12 and 13 year-olds don't have credit cards to purchase online. If a parent somehow lacks the parenting to control the use of their credit card, then they have serious issues that need resolving.

 

Welcome to 21st century parenting. I could tell you of the number of times I've seen the likes of GTA games being bought as birthday presents but....

[Hrothdane]

satunnainen wrote...

Hrothdane wrote...

Posting the comment to a developer's personal twitter account was improper, as was the disrespectful tone of the message. However rude he might have been though, this comicbookguy_uk does make a good point.

They DID rip out the Javik storyline and sell it as DLC. In the leaked beta script from November 2011, he was a central and completely necessary part of the plot.

I thought they were planning to release Javik only with Collectors Edition, but after the (beta) players wanted some way to get it with normal edition they decided to release it as dlc. So they were only giving players what they wanted. Which proves that no good deed ever goes unpunished.

Back in the beta, the storyline was vastly different. You went to Mars in order to get Javik, for example. There was literally no way that you could play the game without him until they decided to make him optional DLC and therefore had to make him completely unimportant to the actual main storyline.

I would literally have to summarize the entire plot of the beta to explain fully, so you can go look it up yourself if you would like. The whole thing is on the datamining thread on holdtheline.com

[Eterna]

Orkboy wrote...

Arppis wrote...

People need to give Bioware some break.

Personally, I'll only give them a break when they give me the ME3 that I was promised right up untill the week before they released the POS that I got..

You aren't getting it. Stop being a loser and move on. 

[ShepnTali]

BringBackNihlus wrote...

ShepnTali wrote...

Did you catch this part.. "Wild, rampant speculation. I love it"


Does Mike Gamble love wild, rampant speculation?


Or does he love... IT?

Does Mike Gamble loving IT prove IT?

We'll have to speculate. Wildly.

[Tasker]

Eterna5 wrote...

Orkboy wrote...

Arppis wrote...

People need to give Bioware some break.

Personally, I'll only give them a break when they give me the ME3 that I was promised right up untill the week before they released the POS that I got..

You aren't getting it. Stop being a loser and move on. 

If wanting what I was promised makes me a looser then fine.

Moving on.... Nah, don't think so.

But thanks anyway brown-tongue.  ( See, I can insult people too. )

[Siran]

BringBackNihlus wrote...

As far as I know, Leviathan was never in the original script leak or cut from the game because of time; though I may be wrong about that. Someone will correct me if I am. Omega was cut because of "time." I'm not a big fan of paying for something that was (at one point) intended to be included in the stock game. They could have found "time" to have Omega in the stock game, as far as I'm concerned.

And broken the deadline yet another time by who knows how many months. There are deadlines to any game, ME3 got delayed from December to March already. It's no coincidence, EA's fiscal year ends March 31st, ME3 was included in their fiscal plans. Whole budgets and resources are allocated around these plans, it's not like BioWare could develop ME3 till eternity - Duke Nukem Forever took 10 years and we saw how that turned out. Plus, I'm sure several of those who accuse ME3 of being "rushed" would have raged over another delay.