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[Hanako Ikezawa]

Mdoggy1214 wrote...

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

Mdoggy1214 wrote...

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

Mdoggy1214 wrote...

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

Im' proud of you Mike Gamble for standing up for the Mass Effect team against these, to put it as simply as possible, haters and bullies.

Oh those mean mean bullies picking on poor Michael Gamble and the rest of Bioware.

Criticism is okay, since it can help the one being criticised out. This guy simply is a hater because the only thing he did was insult the ME team and knock them down. I guess I'm sensitive about this because I was bullied my entire childhood and teenage years and I can say nothing positive comes out of being bullied. Hence haters=bullies.

To be fair, Bioware doesn't handle legit criticism well either, nor do they learn from it.

How so? Not trying to start an argument, just curious.

Well the fact that it's 7 months later and a lot of people are still upset with the endings, should tell you that Bioware haven't been playing the right cards. Now i'll give you one example. It's very obvious that fans hated the ambiguity of the endings and the fact Shepard dies in all endings. We've made that ABUNDANTLY clear. So what does Bioware do in response? When discussing the breath scene, they say it could've been his last gasp before death. This has been said by 3 devs so far.

If they learned from criticism, they would've set the record straight and said Shepard does in fact survive High EMS Destroy, and how he lives his life after is then up to the player. Originally it was clear that he survived, but then for some reason they changed their minds and said "Nope, you're gonna speculate instead"

I see your point, but maybe they said it could be his last breath for those who wanted Shepard to die a noble death destroying the Reapers. Same with them not saying whether or not the Indoctrination Hypothesis is real or not. However, a lot of people's concerns were adressed in the Extended Cut, like "why is Joker flying away" or 'how did your squad get onto Normandy".

[AresKeith]

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

I see your point, but maybe they said it could be his last breath for those who wanted Shepard to die a noble death destroying the Reapers. Same with them not saying whether or not the Indoctrination Hypothesis is real or not. However, a lot of people's concerns were adressed in the Extended Cut, like "why is Joker flying away" or 'how did your squad get onto Normandy".

I still wanna know why they didn't bring back the Mako and/or Hammerhead

[Wayning_Star]

Mdoggy1214 wrote...

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

Mdoggy1214 wrote...

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

Mdoggy1214 wrote...

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

Im' proud of you Mike Gamble for standing up for the Mass Effect team against these, to put it as simply as possible, haters and bullies.

Oh those mean mean bullies picking on poor Michael Gamble and the rest of Bioware.

Criticism is okay, since it can help the one being criticised out. This guy simply is a hater because the only thing he did was insult the ME team and knock them down. I guess I'm sensitive about this because I was bullied my entire childhood and teenage years and I can say nothing positive comes out of being bullied. Hence haters=bullies.

To be fair, Bioware doesn't handle legit criticism well either, nor do they learn from it.

How so? Not trying to start an argument, just curious.

Well the fact that it's 7 months later and a lot of people are still upset with the endings, should tell you that Bioware haven't been playing the right cards. Now i'll give you one example. It's very obvious that fans hated the ambiguity of the endings and the fact Shepard dies in all endings. We've made that ABUNDANTLY clear. So what does Bioware do in response? When discussing the breath scene, they say it could've been his last gasp before death. This has been said by 3 devs so far.

If they learned from criticism, they would've set the record straight and said Shepard does in fact survive High EMS Destroy, and how he lives his life after is then up to the player. 

I doubt it wise for devs to disclose spoilers.. and/or devise a conventional win against indomitable enemies. That has been flogged before here on BSN.

It all falls back on the actual story message, that technology is something to be regarded as dangerous if left unattended. How we/The MEU deals with that problem. It's plain that Destroy is ONLY an option, not a canon..but then thats what is stuck in most/if not all detractors...

Trying to force the issue seems futile, once the story is told. BioWarEA has tried to 'modify' the story some to accomidate, but that's about all they can do... there is NO way to make everyone happy about the message. To alter the story would change the message.. Cannot be done ethically or phycally.

Most to hope for is DLC to explain the message, soften the blow of inevitablity of organics and synthetics being part of each other in an advanced society totally dependent on that technology..that's out to 'get' them. Organics came first then synthetics..so who's fault IS the message in the MEU story? eh.

[M Hedonist]

The Grey Nayr wrote...

Ungrateful haters need to just back the hell off the devs before they ruin it for all of us.

The Dragon Age II haters are the reason why we didn't get any more DLC for it. They need to just stop and let it ****ing go.

More likely, the reason was that the DLCs didn't make much money. Usually, the amount of people who buy DLC is surprisingly low. As in, ~20-25%. A game which was (almost) universally hated by its own fanbase? I can't believe they produced any DLC at all for that game.
You can't blame people for not liking a game and not buying DLC for it.

[Chaotic-Fusion]

AresKeith wrote...

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

I see your point, but maybe they said it could be his last breath for those who wanted Shepard to die a noble death destroying the Reapers. Same with them not saying whether or not the Indoctrination Hypothesis is real or not. However, a lot of people's concerns were adressed in the Extended Cut, like "why is Joker flying away" or 'how did your squad get onto Normandy".

I still wanna know why they didn't bring back the Mako and/or Hammerhead

Me too. Didn't they claim they were planning on improving vehicular gameplay in ME3? I would have liked that. 

[Wayning_Star]

Speezy wrote...

Mdoggy1214 wrote...
Well when i first watched the endings, i felt like i got a crowbar shoved up my ass. If that answers your question.

Congratulations.

You care way too much about videogames.

when crowbars needs the most attention.. they are very sneaky!!

[Hanako Ikezawa]

The Grey Nayr wrote...

Ser Issac wrote...

https://twitter.com/...219206716792832

@comicbookguy_UK: "next time u buy a book ill rip out the last 1/4 and sell u it as dlc.. See if u like it? With EA.. Im THAT cynical!"

@GambleMike: "wow. Do you have any ****ing clue how hard the team has been working over the past year to deliver NEW content ?"

I'm not judging him. I just find it hilarious that dev and fan discussion over the ME3 ending has reached this point, especially since Gamble was originally just tweeting about the DLC screenshot unveiled today.

Ungrateful haters need to just back the hell off the devs before they ruin it for all of us.

The Dragon Age II haters are the reason why we didn't get any more DLC for it. They need to just stop and let it ****ing go.

I agree with you. I actually found DA2 to be really entertaining but now we can't get any more DLC for it. At least they didn't stop Bioware for dropping the Dragon Age franchise entirely so that's something.

[SpamBot2000]

Re: BW and legit criticism...

BW: "We here at BioWare appreciate your criticism, so please let us know why you didn't like the endings of ME3."

Multitude of fans: "The Catalyst! He feels all kinds of wrong for this Universe, and his 3 choices are ripped straight out of another recent game, one that your devs said they totally dig."

BW: "So what you are saying is, we love Mass Effect so much its ending has left us confused and sad. Not to worry, we are adding more lines to your stimulating conversation with The Catalyst so even the slow-witted can understand the lofty philosophy of Mass Effect. You're welcome."

Modifié par SpamBot2000, 16 septembre 2012 - 07:49 .

[HiddenInWar]

Speezy wrote...

Mdoggy1214 wrote...
Well when i first watched the endings, i felt like i got a crowbar shoved up my ass. If that answers your question.

Congratulations.

You care way too much about videogames.

I think that ME is a really immersive universe, and those who didn't like the endings feel it was violated. 

Video games can cause you to care about characters and the plot etc.

[Wayning_Star]

Chaotic-Fusion wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

I see your point, but maybe they said it could be his last breath for those who wanted Shepard to die a noble death destroying the Reapers. Same with them not saying whether or not the Indoctrination Hypothesis is real or not. However, a lot of people's concerns were adressed in the Extended Cut, like "why is Joker flying away" or 'how did your squad get onto Normandy".

I still wanna know why they didn't bring back the Mako and/or Hammerhead

Me too. Didn't they claim they were planning on improving vehicular gameplay in ME3? I would have liked that. 

Yeah, I missed climing mountains and canoning stuff in the Old Mako... Fun to just ba ha around in too..bummer.

[AresKeith]

Chaotic-Fusion wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

I see your point, but maybe they said it could be his last breath for those who wanted Shepard to die a noble death destroying the Reapers. Same with them not saying whether or not the Indoctrination Hypothesis is real or not. However, a lot of people's concerns were adressed in the Extended Cut, like "why is Joker flying away" or 'how did your squad get onto Normandy".

I still wanna know why they didn't bring back the Mako and/or Hammerhead

Me too. Didn't they claim they were planning on improving vehicular gameplay in ME3? I would have liked that. 

yes they did, and most of those fetch quests that could have been side-missions was a great chance for us to use them

[Wayning_Star]

SpamBot2000 wrote...

Re: BW and legit criticism...

BW: "We here at BioWare appreciate your criticism, so please let us know why you didn't like the endings of ME3."

Multitude of fans: "The Catalyst! He feels all kinds of wrong for this Universe, and his 3 choices are ripped straight out of another recent game, one that your devs said they totally dig."

BW: "So what you are saying is, we love Mass Effect so much its ending has left us confused and sad. Not to worry, we are adding more lines to your stimulating conversation with The Catalyst so even the slow-witted can understand the lofty philosophy of Mass Effect. You're welcome."

it's really not lofty tho.. simple problem, complex solution..

[Darth_Atreyu]

Annaka wrote...

Tazzmission wrote...

Annaka wrote...

Losing your temper with your costumers isn't very professional. You're free to disagree with them, obviously, but "do you know how hard we worked on it?" isn't really a good response to a complaint about a product. Why should the costumer care how hard the team worked if the product is not up to the costumer's expectations? I think most people who work with costumers will get pissed off sometimes, but there are better ways to handle it than getting defensive about it. Firm but polite usually works.

yea well when your back is against the wall for 7 months with nut job fanboys/fangirls there is a breaking point

Doesn't matter, though. I can understand why he would be annoyed by it, but it's still not very professional behavior.

This is not one person who has been continuously bugging Mike for 7 months. This is just one person who raises a complaint about a product that other people have complained about before.
If you work as a store clerk you can't lose your temper with one costumer because there have been 10 costumers earlier that day who've made a complaint about the same product. If you work with producing video games to a large costumer base it's not professional to get pissed off at one of those costumers because there have been previous costumers who've had the same complaint.

Nothing about Mike Gamble's tweet was unprofessinal because his personal twitter account is not an outlet for what ever complaint someone might have against his employer.
Besides the guy's complaint wasn't about the quality of Mass Effect 3 but rather how Bioware run their business
basically accusing Bioware of corruption and fraudulent way of conducting business without any proof.
Mike is not required to take any bs from people who think they are free say anything to anyone behind the cloak of anonymity.

[TheRealJayDee]

Jamie9 wrote...

Stop taking twitter seriously. It's not a legitimate source of info. Frankly, they should include that in the ToS: "Nothing on Twitter is meant to be taken seriously."

Again, tell that to Bioware.

[MegaSovereign]

obZen DF wrote...

Everyone has a boiling point. Some take more heat than others. I think Mr. Gamble took way more heat than he can handle. So, it's really ok for him to finally break down. You need to understand what kind of sh*t the dev team went through. Even though what they delivered was justified as 'BAD'. I don't blame good'oll Mike for using the f-bomb. It's ok!

Yup.

[Rovay]

You know, every time I think BSN can't sink any lower, I just have to come across a thread like this.

[Heather Cline]

Honestly BW has it coming and still coming. ME3 was a steaming pile of crap and the EC and the Leviathan DLC are just heaping on top of that steaming pile of crap. They want us to sing them praises, well they should go somewhere else if they want praises. Just my two cents.

[Jamie9]

TheRealJayDee wrote...
Again, tell that to Bioware.

I will. If Mr. Gamble is going onto Twitter expecting amazing feedback, he's been mislead by somebody.

[Chaotic-Fusion]

Wayning_Star wrote...

Chaotic-Fusion wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

I see your point, but maybe they said it could be his last breath for those who wanted Shepard to die a noble death destroying the Reapers. Same with them not saying whether or not the Indoctrination Hypothesis is real or not. However, a lot of people's concerns were adressed in the Extended Cut, like "why is Joker flying away" or 'how did your squad get onto Normandy".

I still wanna know why they didn't bring back the Mako and/or Hammerhead

Me too. Didn't they claim they were planning on improving vehicular gameplay in ME3? I would have liked that. 

Yeah, I missed climing mountains and canoning stuff in the Old Mako... Fun to just ba ha around in too..bummer.

It needed work, but I admit I loved the Mako in ME. At time it was annoying, but when it worked it was just so much fun. And the scenery was fantastic.

[Ender Ghost]

Well to be honest I didn't really like the ending, I really think priority Earth could have been better, but people need to realize that bioware worked (and is still working) pretty hard on the game, and really at this point I think we should be focusing more on DLC and future mass effect games then complaining about the ending of one mass effect game.

[HiddenInWar]

Speezy wrote...

Rovay wrote...

You know, every time I think BSN can't sink any lower, I just have to come across a thread like this.

BSN hit rock bottom a very long time ago.

[Chaotic-Fusion]

AresKeith wrote...

Chaotic-Fusion wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

I see your point, but maybe they said it could be his last breath for those who wanted Shepard to die a noble death destroying the Reapers. Same with them not saying whether or not the Indoctrination Hypothesis is real or not. However, a lot of people's concerns were adressed in the Extended Cut, like "why is Joker flying away" or 'how did your squad get onto Normandy".

I still wanna know why they didn't bring back the Mako and/or Hammerhead

Me too. Didn't they claim they were planning on improving vehicular gameplay in ME3? I would have liked that. 

yes they did, and most of those fetch quests that could have been side-missions was a great chance for us to use them

Yeah. that was such a missed oppurtunity. If they had been given more time I have no doubt ME3 could have been the best in the series, right now it's the worst. 

[GreyLycanTrope]

TheRealJayDee wrote...

Jamie9 wrote...

Stop taking twitter seriously. It's not a legitimate source of info. Frankly, they should include that in the ToS: "Nothing on Twitter is meant to be taken seriously."

Again, tell that to Bioware.