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[Reorte]

Chaotic-Fusion wrote...

Yeah. that was such a missed oppurtunity. If they had been given more time I have no doubt ME3 could have been the best in the series, right now it's the worst.

Oh, we might not have got pointless fetch quests, dodgy animations and so on, but there's no evidence to suggest that we wouldn't have just got a better polished version of the same thing.

[fainmaca]

To be fair, there are two sides to this.

On the one hand, this person was an ass, giving MG unneccessary grief.

On the other hand, MG used the S-word. He, among several of the people at Bioware who have the most interaction with the fanbase, should know by now that 'speculations' is not a word to use in your PR. It sits right up there with 'artisitc integrity'. By putting that out on Twitter, he opened himself up to a whole world of fan irritation. He should have known better than to do that. But above all, he should have known better than to respond to the comments. The internet's full of people who will aggravate you. if he wants to contribute to Bioware PR (which any comments about the development of the game is, no matter how marginally), then he needs to keep a level head and don't respond stupidly to stupid tweets.

In short, the other guy was rude, but MG is the one who let himself and his team down by lowering himself to this level.

I appreciate that the BW team has worked hard, but they have to realise that in the eyes of many they have failed. what's more their company's handling of the issue (ECP resorted to 'yo momma' insults months ago, people. and the condescending tone of every ending-related piece of publicirty doesn't help) has been less than stellar. Fan outrage is going to be a part of the routine for some time to come. The noble thing to do would be to bow their heads, admit defeat, and soldier through to the next project, whatever that may be. Fan opinion is too soured on the franchise for anything saddled with ME3 to receive an overwhelmingly positive reception.

My advice to Bioware, if they ever care to listen to their fans as they once did?

Let ME rest in peace. You put it on life support with ME3, now let it pass. The only way to properly ressurrect the franchise would be to remake the third game, and there's no way the bigwigs will greenlight that. At least, not with the features that a remake would need to rekindle the trust between the devs and the fanbase (compulsory MP/online elements, anyone?).

Let Mass Effect go, and move onto a new project where you are willing to stick to the promises made at the start of the saga, where you'll put in every ounce of effort needed to give the fans what they want instead of giving new players what they never asked for, where the story and the games remain consistent throughout. You know what happens when a saga changes genre halfway through, so please for the love of god don't make the same mistake again.

[AresKeith]

Chaotic-Fusion wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

Chaotic-Fusion wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

I still wanna know why they didn't bring back the Mako and/or Hammerhead

Me too. Didn't they claim they were planning on improving vehicular gameplay in ME3? I would have liked that. 

yes they did, and most of those fetch quests that could have been side-missions was a great chance for us to use them

Yeah. that was such a missed oppurtunity. If they had been given more time I have no doubt ME3 could have been the best in the series, right now it's the worst. 

I also missed customizing squads armor, because in ME3 some of the squad (I.e Ashely, Liara, Kaiden, and James) are all copy and paste re-skins of each other

[Verit]

spirosz wrote...

Why does this have so many pages?

Mike Gamble joked on Twitter about how he loves "speculation". ME Fan replies "we don't", and Mike replies "too bad... :)". The conversation in the OP is what followed, and of course it also blows up here. Both Mike and the fan later clarified their point (Mike saying they didn't rip part out of the game and sell it as DLC, and the fan saying he just wants a complete ending and is willing to pay for it). The conversation ended there. Why this has so much pages? Simply because the community is still very divided on the topic of the ending.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

Allan Schumacher wrote...

I guess what I'm saying is, "what type of content do you think SHOULD be in the DLC?"

Hi Allan,

7 hrs ago I was sleeping. So I'll answer this question now.

1. I think the story in the game should be complete out of the box. If you can't, make it into two full length games. If it's not two games in length go to item 2.

2. Sometimes a story can become too big for one but not long enough for two games. Get to a logical stopping point, but make the content up to that point as complete as you can get it. If it's going to be a cliff hanger at that point, make sure you inform players up front that this is part 1 so there is no backlash.

3. If you do this, add the rest of the story in a full sized expansion pack and make it a really good one.

The last thing you want to do is put out a rushed product and give the player the feeling you put out a rushed product. The ending needs to leave the player with that "hell yeah!" feeling, not that empty WTF just happened feeling we experienced with ME3.

No amount of DLC justifying a poorly written ending can override a "WTF just happened" feel. It's unsatisfying and doesn't work. It doesn't build good will.

4. DLC should be fun non-essential stuff that only adds to the background, or fun optional stuff that extends the story beyond the ending, perhaps providing a bridge to the next saga.

[M920CAIN]

Been reading some of the posts here... hell... Bioware and fans alike deserve the vitriol served to each other... like the saying goes "we've all done horrible things to each other!"

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

N7 Lisbeth wrote...

I know what you're saying, Arppis, but it's hard. It's really hard.

I understand them. I try to keep that anger I have about the endings in check, but it just bubbles over when I read something about Bioware, especially when or how they interact with fans.

They can't spit on their fanbase and then expect their fans to sing them praises. They cannot, should not, expect any more than vitriol at this point. If they want to push the content as a money-making vehicle, hey, I understand. But they can't expect us to love them for it, when they've done nothing but shovel us ... well, you know what I'm saying.

I'm still trying to get a grip on that anger. I'm usually pretty open-minded and non-partisan. <Sighs>

I guess it's impossible to be this angry about something you don't have passion for. I wholeheartedly admit it, I love Mass Effect. But I despise the endings for ME3, and I hate Bioware for their EC and flat out saying no further changes to the endings -- when they haven't changed the endings yet. There I go again. Sorry. :-/

I have to echo this. Do not leave my avatar laying in a pile of garbage.

[Podge 90]

BigTuna82 wrote...

Podge 90 wrote...

They did work very hard on this game. It takes a lot of effort to destroy a franchise.

And all this chest-pounding and tough talk from people like you is disingenuous for the mere fact that you're here, posting.  You'll be buying the 4th game and the 5th game.  Put a lid on it.

You're optimism that there will be a 4th and 5th is adorable.

So I don't like ME3 I can't be on the Mass Effect forums?  They're a damn sight more entertaining than the game!

TRUE FANS LOVE THE GAME AND BUY ALL DLC

Modifié par Podge 90, 16 septembre 2012 - 08:10 .

[LucasShark]

Arppis wrote...

People need to give Bioware some break.

No, no we do not.

Moneygrubbing is moneygrubbing, and no, no consumer should stand for it.

[Fortlowe]

I'm a New Orleans football Saints fan. Always have been. Always will be. Fan. For me the word is synonymous with faith. Even when no one else thinks we can, I do. I'm a fan. Even when other "fans" abandon ship and decide to go with another team, I won't. I'm a fan. Even when my fellow fans lose heart and ridicule instead of support, I hold the line. I am a fan.

DA2 was good but not good enough. ME3 was masterful but not a masterpiece. The next console cycle is here.

I'm a Bioware fan. It's the fourth quarter and we are down by two touchdowns. I think Bioware can pull it out. I'm a fan. Are you?

[Tazzmission]

Podge 90 wrote...

BigTuna82 wrote...

Podge 90 wrote...

They did work very hard on this game. It takes a lot of effort to destroy a franchise.

And all this chest-pounding and tough talk from people like you is disingenuous for the mere fact that you're here, posting.  You'll be buying the 4th game and the 5th game.  Put a lid on it.

You're optimism that there will be a 4th and 5th is adorable.

same was stated about halo and yet a new trilogy is coming

[Podge 90]

Tazzmission wrote...

Podge 90 wrote...

BigTuna82 wrote...

Podge 90 wrote...

They did work very hard on this game. It takes a lot of effort to destroy a franchise.

And all this chest-pounding and tough talk from people like you is disingenuous for the mere fact that you're here, posting.  You'll be buying the 4th game and the 5th game.  Put a lid on it.

You're optimism that there will be a 4th and 5th is adorable.

same was stated about halo and yet a new trilogy is coming

Halo 3 wasn't a debacle.  (Except for the 'Cortana' level.  I have never not enjoyed a level as much as that).

Modifié par Podge 90, 16 septembre 2012 - 08:15 .

[LucasShark]

Fortlowe wrote...

I'm a New Orleans football Saints fan. Always have been. Always will be. Fan. For me the word is synonymous with faith. Even when no one else thinks we can, I do. I'm a fan. Even when other "fans" abandon ship and decide to go with another team, I won't. I'm a fan. Even when my fellow fans lose heart and ridicule instead of support, I hold the line. I am a fan.

DA2 was good but not good enough. ME3 was masterful but not a masterpiece. The next console cycle is here.

I'm a Bioware fan. It's the fourth quarter and we are down by two touchdowns. I think Bioware can pull it out. I'm a fan. Are you?

I feel... so sorry for you.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Fortlowe wrote...

I'm a New Orleans football Saints fan. Always have been. Always will be. Fan. For me the word is synonymous with faith. Even when no one else thinks we can, I do. I'm a fan. Even when other "fans" abandon ship and decide to go with another team, I won't. I'm a fan. Even when my fellow fans lose heart and ridicule instead of support, I hold the line. I am a fan.

DA2 was good but not good enough. ME3 was masterful but not a masterpiece. The next console cycle is here.

I'm a Bioware fan. It's the fourth quarter and we are down by two touchdowns. I think Bioware can pull it out. I'm a fan. Are you?

Yes, I am a fan! *doesn't have an "I salute you" emoticon*

Modifié par LDS Darth Revan, 16 septembre 2012 - 08:15 .

[El Mito]

Tazzmission wrote...

Podge 90 wrote...

BigTuna82 wrote...

Podge 90 wrote...

They did work very hard on this game. It takes a lot of effort to destroy a franchise.

And all this chest-pounding and tough talk from people like you is disingenuous for the mere fact that you're here, posting.  You'll be buying the 4th game and the 5th game.  Put a lid on it.

You're optimism that there will be a 4th and 5th is adorable.

same was stated about halo and yet a new trilogy is coming

Except Halo provided a satisfying ending to the original ending. How about that?

Modifié par El Mito, 16 septembre 2012 - 08:17 .

[Podge 90]

Speezy wrote...

People played Halo for the story?

I did/do.  The multiplayer is ten years behind everything else, it's dire.

[LucasShark]

Speezy wrote...

People played Halo for the story?

Apparently... Apparently they also managed to spin books out of "aliens suck, humans are good".

I don't see how.

[CitizenThom]

Everyone knows swearing is artistically avante garde...not entirely cliche...everyone knows that right?

Therefore the swearing was for art. [/tongueincheek]

[Iakus]

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

N7 Lisbeth wrote...

I know what you're saying, Arppis, but it's hard. It's really hard.

I understand them. I try to keep that anger I have about the endings in check, but it just bubbles over when I read something about Bioware, especially when or how they interact with fans.

They can't spit on their fanbase and then expect their fans to sing them praises. They cannot, should not, expect any more than vitriol at this point. If they want to push the content as a money-making vehicle, hey, I understand. But they can't expect us to love them for it, when they've done nothing but shovel us ... well, you know what I'm saying.

I'm still trying to get a grip on that anger. I'm usually pretty open-minded and non-partisan. <Sighs>

I guess it's impossible to be this angry about something you don't have passion for. I wholeheartedly admit it, I love Mass Effect. But I despise the endings for ME3, and I hate Bioware for their EC and flat out saying no further changes to the endings -- when they haven't changed the endings yet. There I go again. Sorry. :-/

I have to echo this. Do not leave my avatar laying in a pile of garbage.

+1

[liggy002]

Ok, so if we knew what was in store, I would hold on to my ME copy forever. At this point, I want to burn it and curse EA forever. What could possibly be in store? They aren't changing the endings. More lies. Misleading us to think we'd get something surprising. What? Like Leviathan? That was garbage.

Every bit of flack that this guy gets, he deserves unless he's hiding something so amazing that none of us will see it coming but I seriously doubt it at this point. You're working really hard to bring us the DLC?! WORK HARDER BECAUSE IT SUCKS!!!

No boss battles, no choices , no Harbinger.... God, I could go on and on with how inferior this stuff is to Mass Effect 2. That's why I wont burn my money on this crap.

[LucasShark]

liggy002 wrote...

Ok, so if we knew what was in store, I would hold on to my ME copy forever. At this point, I want to burn it and curse EA forever. What could possibly be in store? They aren't changing the endings. More lies. Misleading us to think we'd get something surprising. What? Like Leviathan? That was garbage.

Every bit of flack that this guy gets, he deserves unless he's hiding something so amazing that none of us will see it coming but I seriously doubt it at this point. You're working really hard to bring us the DLC?! WORK HARDER BECAUSE IT SUCKS!!!

No boss battles, no choices , no Harbinger.... God, I could go on and on with how inferior this stuff is to Mass Effect 2. That's why I wont burn my money on this crap.

Seconded.

[Darth_Atreyu]

Fortlowe wrote...

I'm a New Orleans football Saints fan. Always have been. Always will be. Fan. For me the word is synonymous with faith. Even when no one else thinks we can, I do. I'm a fan. Even when other "fans" abandon ship and decide to go with another team, I won't. I'm a fan. Even when my fellow fans lose heart and ridicule instead of support, I hold the line. I am a fan.

DA2 was good but not good enough. ME3 was masterful but not a masterpiece. The next console cycle is here.

I'm a Bioware fan. It's the fourth quarter and we are down by two touchdowns. I think Bioware can pull it out. I'm a fan. Are you?

+∞ i applaud you sir,you've got class.

[Isichar]

Wow this thread seriously needs to be locked now.

[liggy002]

Allan Schumacher wrote...

I guess what I'm saying is, "what type of content do you think SHOULD be in the DLC?"

   Good content.... not more content further explaining the Catalyst story line that your fans despised.  Also, there is that guy named Harbinger.  If you don't think that there is anything wrong with this content, then good for you but I see so much that is lacking there it isn't even funny.