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[Yalision]

They brought it on and continue to bring it on themselves by refusing to give fans the single most requested DLC - new or modified endings. I have no sympathy or empathy for them. Will I buy their DLC? Yes, it's quality and great. Will I praise them for what is probably the single worst design decision in my lifetime of being a gamer?

No. I will not. I will not vote or endorse anything having to do with game of the year for this title. I will not recommend this game either. It's just a huge setup for disappointment. No other community has ever gone through the lengths of extreme passion and dedication as the Mass Effect community to convey their displeasure. We raised tens of thousands of dollars for charity to give a positive effect to our voice, we sent them cupcakes, letters, tons of initiatives to express ourselves.

No. Bioware deserves no mercy, no consideration, no empathy. Fans went out of their way to show how they felt, and many went out of their way to do so with great detail and emotion. Yes, most of the game was awesome. I give credit where credit is due, but it is NOT hyperbole to say that the ending ruins all that came before. No, I'm not sorry Bioware.

[Jadebaby]

Reptilian Rob wrote...

Jade8aby88 wrote...

Reptilian Rob wrote...

The sad thing is that ComicBookGuy is DEAD on....

Not really, the story BioWare wanted to tell they simply didn't have enough time to create. That's where dlc comes in.

Yes, which is why the Twitter clown said "EA" and not Bioware...

And wait, selling content that they didn't have time to put into the $60+ game!? DO TELL!!!

True, well in that regard, yes. He was right. EA didn't care that the game wouldn't be finished in time, their policy is "produce quick, anything that isn't done, sell as extra in dlc."

Gets games out quicker and makes more profit too.

What do you mean about the second sentence?

[Hexley UK]

noobcannon wrote...

GenericEnemy wrote...

If I was in his position, I would've started dropping them long ago.

And then would you both be as childish as he has been.

[Siran]

Hrothdane wrote...

Their time management skills leave something to be desired if they make such drastic changes to the script while the game is already in the beta and release is just four months away. While EA's reputation speaks for itself, I wonder how much of the problem was self-inflicted on BioWare's part.

The beat script was leaked in November. Nowhere does it say that it was anywhere near the current state of development at that time at all. Big difference.

[Brakensiek]

Wah, wah, Baby Social Network.

[Sparda16]

Siran wrote...

Sparda16 wrote...
If's that the case, then the 'From Ashe's' dlc should have been free. The Prothians are an integral part of the Mass Effect plot, much like the current Leviathan dlc is there to explain the origins of the Reapers and Catalyst.

That has already been discussed in the appropriate threads... Javik in his current form is not integral to the story of ME3, neither is Leviathan. It sheds light on certain topics. But neither is essential to the plot, you can finish and enjoy ME3 just as well without these DLCs. I'd rather have meaningful DLC that ties into the story, than some Firewalker / Pinnacle Station DLC that has nothing to do with the ME storyline at all.

I disagree on the Javik and Leviathan dlc part. Without this dlc, you don't get to see the whole side of the story (so to speak). Some of the plot holes in the storyline are explained to some extent with the dlc, which you wouldn't get to know about if you only played the game itself.

The other dlc i agree with you, this is basically filler which extends the life of the game, while Bioware/EA were busy  creating the next game in the series.

[hostaman]

I really hope that the guys at BW know that the forums are not representative of all fans, and that some of us who have worked in technical disiplines do understand the massive amount of work that goes into developing a game.

Whether you like the end product or not, the skills of the developers are not in doubt.

I for one, salute you.

[Reptilian Rob]

Jade8aby88 wrote...

Reptilian Rob wrote...

Jade8aby88 wrote...

Reptilian Rob wrote...

The sad thing is that ComicBookGuy is DEAD on....

Not really, the story BioWare wanted to tell they simply didn't have enough time to create. That's where dlc comes in.

Yes, which is why the Twitter clown said "EA" and not Bioware...

And wait, selling content that they didn't have time to put into the $60+ game!? DO TELL!!!

True, well in that regard, yes. He was right. EA didn't care that the game wouldn't be finished in time, their policy is "produce quick, anything that isn't done, sell as extra in dlc."

Gets games out quicker and makes more profit too.

What do you mean about the second sentence?

Imagine that you were sold a car, but they didn't have time to put in the gas pedals. So four months later they decided to sell you the gas pedels for 1/4 the cost of the car...

[Obeded the 2nd]

He's right, BioWare fans are being ****s right now.
I still love you Mike!

[Siran]

Sparda16 wrote...

I disagree on the Javik and Leviathan dlc part. Without this dlc, you don't get to see the whole side of the story (so to speak). Some of the plot holes in the storyline are explained to some extent with the dlc, which you wouldn't get to know about if you only played the game itself.

The other dlc i agree with you, this is basically filler which extends the life of the game, while Bioware/EA were busy  creating the next game in the series.

I don't see what huge plot holes Javik fills. Same with Leviathan. In the EC the catalyst even hints at most of what is later just being acknowledged by Leviathan (eg the catalyst having meant to be the "overseer" of the synthetics-organics struggles).

[Hexley UK]

Obeded the 2nd wrote...

He's right, BioWare fans are being ****s right now.
I still love you Mike!

Because most now are no longer fans.

[LilLino]

Honestly is it the first tweet with '****' in it? I'm surprised. If I were them I'd start throwing them long time ago.

Most 'fans' are ****s who cannot accept that Bioware has completely different vision of ME3 that they developed in their 'headcannon' so they keep throwing bullcrap.

Yes ME3 isn't a perfect game, but damn, it's fun. Story&Reaper Explanation isn't good enough? Bull****, it's goddamn homicidal AI Cuttlefish. How can anyone take it so seriously.

And Bioware actually developed EC and released it for free. I don't know why people expect them to change their ending and still they actually removed 'depressing' part from them. A compromise, so to speak.

And Leviathan and other paid DLC? It's up to you to pay or not. Yeah they are overpriced but noone forces you to buy them, bah.

Modifié par LilLino, 16 septembre 2012 - 09:29 .

[daecath]

There is good reason for frustration on both sides. Months of stonewalling by the developers, and a refusal to acknowledge any of the valid points that have been brought up, have left many fans frustrated and angry. The longer they clam up, sticking to the BS corporate line, the more pissed off we get.

On their side of things, they probably feel like their under siege (because they are). They probably get sick of hearing about it, and frustrated that it doesn't just go away. And when our frustrations clash with their frustrations, it gets ugly.

And yes, I do feel bad for them. However, I'm also legitimately upset that they presented lies about what the game would be, and have yet to address those.

[Jadebaby]

Reptilian Rob wrote...

Imagine that you were sold a car, but they didn't have time to put in the gas pedals. So four months later they decided to sell you the gas pedels for 1/4 the cost of the car...

No, that would be like selling Mass Effect 3 without Shepard.

I'd say it's more like central locking or brake lights.

[Siran]

10110001110100 wrote...

There was content for from ashes on the disk. It was CUT. Content that should have been in the main game was removed to sell as DLC. Poor show. Leviathan was done later and may have been what the dev team were working hard on. Just a shame it's pretty much irrelevant with the endings as they are.

Already been discussed in lenght here Certain elements had to be on the disc for Javik to be integrated into the game (same has been done with Zaeed and Kasumi). The main parts were developed after the game was finished. You either believe Mike, who has worked on the DLC or you don't...

[Hexley UK]

Siran wrote...

10110001110100 wrote...

There was content for from ashes on the disk. It was CUT. Content that should have been in the main game was removed to sell as DLC. Poor show. Leviathan was done later and may have been what the dev team were working hard on. Just a shame it's pretty much irrelevant with the endings as they are.

Already been discussed in lenght here Certain elements had to be on the disc for Javik to be integrated into the game (same has been done with Zaeed and Kasumi). The main parts were developed after the game was finished. You either believe Mike, who has worked on the DLC or you don't...

Well lets look at Biowares track record and decide if thats the truth or not....hmmm.

[Siran]

Hexley UK wrote...

Well lets look at Biowares track record and decide if thats the truth or not....hmmm.

Yeah, let's just bring that argument, which can be used to "disprove" just about anything, riiiiight. But believe what you want, it's no wonder the devs are fed up with this.

Modifié par Siran, 16 septembre 2012 - 09:36 .

[thefallen2far]

I love that this is the conversations we end up having about the game. Not "how awesome was such and such" just good old fashioned hurled insults, speculations on budget restrictions and the morality of the extent of voicing an opinion, just like they wanted when they wrote the ending.

[Jadebaby]

thefallen2far wrote...

I love that this is the conversations we end up having about the game. Not "how awesome was such and such" just good old fashioned hurled insults, speculations on budget restrictions and the morality of the extent of voicing an opinion, just like they wanted when they wrote the ending.

"It's all going according to plan" *pents fingers*

[yukon fire]

...really? So creating slides was "hard work"? I guess we can file "hard work" with words like "listening", "clarity" and "closure" as words they don't know the actual meaning to.

Well, its not the first time Gamble's lied and I doubt it will be the last.

Modifié par yukon fire, 16 septembre 2012 - 09:39 .

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

Not really. The deal is that they're working in a situation where the lead writers don't want to make any changes to the ending, yet everyone working on all the content knows the ending blows, yet they have to write content now that supports the ending. This has got to be tough. PR people have to support things they don't necessarily believe. The economy still sucks and it's not a time to b*tch about stuff like this. So you do your jobs.

I just hope they have something up their sleeve that's going to make all this stuff worth purchasing because the way the two top guys wrote the ending ... man it's really bad. Patrick, I feel sorry for you. I know you wanted to do better than that with the EC.

You don't end a series with a cliff hanger. It's just not done, and don't give me this bull**** about "can't use your imagination." It's a ****ing ****ty ending. That's the bottom line, and I don't care if it's "Mac & Casey's story." There have to be people working there who don't like it either.

ME3 is not canon.

[Hexley UK]

Siran wrote...

Hexley UK wrote...

Well lets look at Biowares track record and decide if thats the truth or not....hmmm.

Yeah, let's just bring that argument, which can be used to "disprove" just about anything, riiiiight. But believe what you want, it's no wonder the devs are fed up with this.

Poor babies are they all fed up? After taking tens (possibly hundreds) of millions of dollars worth of peoples money on false pretences/promises they expect no backlash?

Cry me a river.

[Sparda16]

Siran wrote...

Sparda16 wrote...

I disagree on the Javik and Leviathan dlc part. Without this dlc, you don't get to see the whole side of the story (so to speak). Some of the plot holes in the storyline are explained to some extent with the dlc, which you wouldn't get to know about if you only played the game itself.

The other dlc i agree with you, this is basically filler which extends the life of the game, while Bioware/EA were busy  creating the next game in the series.

I don't see what huge plot holes Javik fills. Same with Leviathan. In the EC the catalyst even hints at most of what is later just being acknowledged by Leviathan (eg the catalyst having meant to be the "overseer" of the synthetics-organics struggles).

So you weren't in the least bit interested in to find out what a Prothian looked like?, Javiks's backstory?, etc. The same goes with Leviathan, without the dlc would you know who created the catalyst?, why they created the catalyst, in their own words and from their viewpoint?, etc.

These to me are plot holes within the game, which should have been addressed in the main game itself. For instance the Catalyst/ AI/God Kid was just thrown at you at the very end of the game with no explanation of why he was there.

This is simply not good storytelling, fullstop.

[Jadebaby]

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

Not really. The deal is that they're working in a situation where the lead writers don't want to make any changes to the ending, yet everyone working on all the content knows the ending blows, yet they have to write content now that supports the ending. This has got to be tough. PR people have to support things they don't necessarily believe. The economy still sucks and it's not a time to b*tch about stuff like this. So you do your jobs.

I just hope they have something up their sleeve that's going to make all this stuff worth purchasing because the way the two top guys wrote the ending ... man it's really bad. Patrick, I feel sorry for you. I know you wanted to do better than that with the EC.

You don't end a series with a cliff hanger. It's just not done, and don't give me this bull**** about "can't use your imagination." It's a ****ing ****ty ending. That's the bottom line, and I don't care if it's "Mac & Casey's story." There have to be people working there who don't like it either.

ME3 is not canon.