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[Sable Rhapsody]

FlamingBoy wrote...
honestly how hard they work is kind of irrelevant, they were dishonest and people are rightly pissed about it, so anything beyond but being in a state of rationality and humility makes them look extremely bad

I hope you aren't serious.

The games industry is more demanding than most gamers think, often with 70+ hour crunch work weeks for months at a time.  Build engineers, environment artists, animators, programmers...these guys put thousands of man-hours into their work, and this is the response they get?  Apparently a little human decency is too much to ask for <_<

[majormajormmajor]

Wulfram wrote...

Of course the game only came out 6 months ago.

It felt like a year to them, that was how hard they were working!

11 month development cycle for ME3 ensured we had the highest possible quality product imaginable.

[paul165]

daecath wrote...

There is good reason for frustration on both sides. Months of stonewalling by the developers, and a refusal to acknowledge any of the valid points that have been brought up, have left many fans frustrated and angry. The longer they clam up, sticking to the BS corporate line, the more pissed off we get.

On their side of things, they probably feel like their under siege (because they are). They probably get sick of hearing about it, and frustrated that it doesn't just go away. And when our frustrations clash with their frustrations, it gets ugly.

And yes, I do feel bad for them. However, I'm also legitimately upset that they presented lies about what the game would be, and have yet to address those.

And they never will - unless they are trying to sell ME4 (see comments about DAO when marketing DA2, and comments about DA2 now they are winding up for DA3).

I however do not feel sorry for them as a company they lied knowingly and repeatedly prior to release and when called on it they resorted to a variety of tactics more suited to the play ground than a major company (whaah! you're so mean, liar, liar, liar and sticking their fingers in their ears) They then proceed to make escalatingly bad PR statements and well here we are.

With the Producer of the product swearing at (at the very least) a potential customer. Yeah this is a company I wish to support \\sarcasm.

[Eterna]

Orkboy wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

You're not a loser for wanting anything. You're a loser for still complaining after 6 months. 

Actually. What I typed wasn't a complaint.  It was a statement of fact. 

There's a difference.


I've given up on any hope of getting the promised  ME3 that I spent between 1000-2000 hours of game time building up to.

I've also given up on ever buying anything with the Bioware label on it ever again.


Again.  Not complaints. Statements of fact.


Once again.  If stating/wanting what I was promised makes me a loser.  Bring it on - couldn't give a ****.


They used to be my number one developer, but now - whatever grief Bioware gets. Bioware brought on themselves by releasing a ****ty product.

You said "I will not give bioware a break...." which implies that you are still on their case and harassing them with complaints. That is why I called you a loser.

[CptBomBom00]

Well, I tweeted to him, about another firefight pack, including defender armor and Valkyrie.

[paul165]

Sable Rhapsody wrote...

FlamingBoy wrote...
honestly how hard they work is kind of irrelevant, they were dishonest and people are rightly pissed about it, so anything beyond but being in a state of rationality and humility makes them look extremely bad

I hope you aren't serious.

The games industry is more demanding than most gamers think, often with 70+ hour crunch work weeks for months at a time.  Build engineers, environment artists, animators, programmers...these guys put thousands of man-hours into their work, and this is the response they get?  Apparently a little human decency is too much to ask for <_<

So like someone else posted if the new car you bought has no headlights you think of the poor robots that built it and all their hard work? Or are you just pissed because the product you bought wasn't complete and doesn't work as intended?

Personally I pick option two from your post you would appear to pick option one. If you wouldn't they why does Bioware get a pass when Ford or Nissan wouldn't?

Modifié par paul165, 16 septembre 2012 - 10:26 .

[Dendio1]

People should sometimes just stay off the internet....land of the trolls

[Jadebaby]

Sable Rhapsody wrote...

FlamingBoy wrote...
honestly how hard they work is kind of irrelevant, they were dishonest and people are rightly pissed about it, so anything beyond but being in a state of rationality and humility makes them look extremely bad

I hope you aren't serious.

The games industry is more demanding than most gamers think, often with 70+ hour crunch work weeks for months at a time.  Build engineers, environment artists, animators, programmers...these guys put thousands of man-hours into their work, and this is the response they get?  Apparently a little human decency is too much to ask for <_<

Yea, the day that the general public see BioWare as hard-working individuals instead of a wholly evil corporation feeding off of gamer's tears. Is the day real-life humanity discovers the Charon Relay.

[Brakensiek]

thefallen2far wrote...
When do people not put forth effort?  Are we supposed to be under the impression people are "phoning it in"?

Besides, isn't it the consumer who put forth the hard earned money to purchase a product entitled to judge said product if it is unsatisfactory?  Or, is it a matter of "shut up and take what I give you"?

I am talking about a fan saying the developers are getting a taste of the frustration and anger the fans feel, who just sit on their ass playing the game during their leisure time.  The developers put a lot of time and effort in creating the game so that they an make a living just to get **** on by fans every time they come out with new content for the game.

[Jadebaby]

Dendio1 wrote...

People should sometimes just stay off the internet....land of the trolls

https://encrypted-tbn2.google.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQCzCZ7C2hvEVB_xBcMBeRxsb-oThTDtWO4FugGgNZ9UmqOyd8s

Excuse us?

[Sable Rhapsody]

paul165 wrote...
So like someone else posted is the new car you bought has no headlights you think of the poor robots that built it and all their hard work? Or are you just pissed because the product you bought wasn't complete and doesn't work as intended?

Personally I pick option two from your post you would appear to pick option one. If you wouldn't they why does Bioware get a pass when Ford or Nissan wouldn't?

I very much doubt the guys working on the nitty gritty details of ME3 had any input at all into the negatively received design decisions or the crappy PR, so sure, I pick option one.  

Also, I happen to have basic empathy for my fellow human beings.  It helps in life 

[Cobalt2113]

People need to learn the difference between complaint and harassment. Complaining if you don't like a product is perfectly valid. And can be constructive, such as getting us the EC.

Harassment however, namecalling, snide jokes and the like is unnecessary. Particularly on someone's personal twitter. In the end it just makes you, and the fan base as whole, look bad.

[FlamingBoy]

Sable Rhapsody wrote...

FlamingBoy wrote...
honestly how hard they work is kind of irrelevant, they were dishonest and people are rightly pissed about it, so anything beyond but being in a state of rationality and humility makes them look extremely bad

I hope you aren't serious.

The games industry is more demanding than most gamers think, often with 70+ hour crunch work weeks for months at a time.  Build engineers, environment artists, animators, programmers...these guys put thousands of man-hours into their work, and this is the response they get?  Apparently a little human decency is too much to ask for <_<

I was under impression these guys were paid for there work. Maybe not greatly but that is an issue for EA not the consumer

Consumer time is more important, you can spend 3 years on the game, but if I, or another consumer did not like it you wasted our time, hence the time they spent is irrelevant to me, and after this ending its apparent it is irrelevant to alot of people (not all of course).

to suggest I don't have "human decency" is kind of weird because i fail to see how it applies, hes actually one of the individuals who gave false information in the interviews,
Its not like he works 1000 hours into the salvation army with no pay,  he makes bloody video games

But this twitter response came as a result of day one dlc which was so obviously was made in conjunction with the game.

any way like I said "anything beyond but being in a state of rationality and humility makes them look extremely bad"

[paul165]

Sable Rhapsody wrote...

paul165 wrote...
So like someone else posted is the new car you bought has no headlights you think of the poor robots that built it and all their hard work? Or are you just pissed because the product you bought wasn't complete and doesn't work as intended?

Personally I pick option two from your post you would appear to pick option one. If you wouldn't they why does Bioware get a pass when Ford or Nissan wouldn't?

I very much doubt the guys working on the nitty gritty details of ME3 had any input at all into the negatively received design decisions or the crappy PR, so sure, I pick option one.  

Also, I happen to have basic empathy for my fellow human beings.  It helps in life 

He's the producer - the design decisions that people don't like? He made them - or at least signed off on them.

And to extend the metaphor when the car company repeatedly insults you for pointing out the car has no headlights and then charges you to fix the problem with the headlights? Is that still ok?

Because that is exactly what Bioware is doing.

[yukon fire]

majormajormmajor wrote...

Wulfram wrote...

Of course the game only came out 6 months ago.

It felt like a year to them, that was how hard they were working!

11 month development cycle for ME3 ensured we had the highest possible quality product imaginable.

Yes because stealing a photographer's and model's sample picture off the internet (which was posted as free use online in hopes that someone would like it and offer either one of them work) changing it slightly with a five minute photoshop and submitting "that" as an acceptable amount of effort for a multi million franchise is o.k. to you.

[Sable Rhapsody]

OK. Clearly everyone who worked on ME3 from Mac Walters to QA guys personally contributed to its design, lied to every individual in the fandom, and has it in for everyone who ever bought the game. And those normal employees who barely saw the outside of the office for months? They also deserve all the vitriolic accusations of dishonesty, racism, sexism, and whatever else the Internet hurls around these days.  Because BioWare's some sort of Soviet-style video game monolithic evil empire.

It's kinda a bleak outlook, but whatever floats your boat.

Modifié par Sable Rhapsody, 16 septembre 2012 - 10:36 .

[satunnainen]

paul165 wrote...

Sable Rhapsody wrote...

FlamingBoy wrote...
honestly how hard they work is kind of irrelevant, they were dishonest and people are rightly pissed about it, so anything beyond but being in a state of rationality and humility makes them look extremely bad

I hope you aren't serious.

The games industry is more demanding than most gamers think, often with 70+ hour crunch work weeks for months at a time.  Build engineers, environment artists, animators, programmers...these guys put thousands of man-hours into their work, and this is the response they get?  Apparently a little human decency is too much to ask for <_<

So like someone else posted if the new car you bought has no headlights you think of the poor robots that built it and all their hard work? Or are you just pissed because the product you bought wasn't complete and doesn't work as intended?

Personally I pick option two from your post you would appear to pick option one. If you wouldn't they why does Bioware get a pass when Ford or Nissan wouldn't?

Cars do have all kinds of requirements and laws stating what systems need to be operational before you can drive them on public roads. They are also mass produced in factories. Computer game on the other hand is developed as a single product, then copied to dvd and sold to customer. There are much less rules and laws stating what a computer game must be or must not be. Your analogy is not very good. 

Maybe you should use some non essential part of cars as an analogy, like gps navigator. So you are not happy because your navigator did not have maps for italy installed and you are going to drive there for holiday... or something

[majormajormmajor]

Sable Rhapsody wrote...

OK. Clearly everyone who worked on ME3 from Mac Walters to QA guys personally contributed to its design, lied to every individual in the fandom, and has it in for everyone who ever bought the game. And those normal employees who barely saw the outside of the office for months? They also deserve all the vitriolic accusations of dishonesty, racism, sexism, and whatever else the Internet hurls around these days.  Because BioWare's some sort of Soviet-style video game monolithic evil empire.

All of this would mean something were Gamble not one of those who personally lied, along with Hudson and Walters. So yes, on his head be it.

[SpamBot2000]

Sable Rhapsody wrote...

OK. Clearly everyone who worked on ME3 from Mac Walters to QA guys personally contributed to its design, lied to every individual in the fandom, and has it in for everyone who ever bought the game. And those normal employees who barely saw the outside of the office for months? They also deserve all the vitriolic accusations of dishonesty, racism, sexism, and whatever else the Internet hurls around these days.  Because BioWare's some sort of Soviet-style video game monolithic evil empire.

It's kinda a bleak outlook, but whatever floats your boat.

'BioWare' is a division of the 'Electronic Arts' corporation. Individuals working there are individuals working there. Michael Gamble is a producer, meaning he tells BioWare employees what to produce. Michael Gamble is also the individual who made many of the fraudulent/deliberately misleading statements leading up to the release of Mass Effect 3. It is almost as if he made a profit from the sales.

Modifié par SpamBot2000, 16 septembre 2012 - 10:49 .

[clarkusdarkus]

Out of curiosity which would take longer to develop, MP content or SP content? and yes i know there both different teams, just seems defensive like they just cant accept criticism from any corner..... MP content has been by the bucketload yet SP content was a pretty short linear leviathan Dlc.

[obZen DF]

Anyone know something about the new DLC picture??

Chris Priestly:
"It seems our Montreal studio dropped a new DLC image at their panel at Montreal Comic Con. Those tricky devils. I wonder what it could be?"

https://twitter.com/BioEvilChris

[FlamingBoy]

clarkusdarkus wrote...

Out of curiosity which would take longer to develop, MP content or SP content? and yes i know there both different teams, just seems defensive like they just cant accept criticism from any corner..... MP content has been by the bucketload yet SP content was a pretty short linear leviathan Dlc.

I believe the base multiplayer which everything is built from takes an extremely long time, but the "content" packs would not take very long at all.

leviathan would have taken a couple months

[majormajormmajor]

obZen DF wrote...

Anyone know something about the new DLC picture??

Some blurry as feck-all pic of a screen at the convention. You can find it on one of the threads on the front page.

yay speculations

[munnellyladt]

If I were Mike Gamble,you'd see much more then the f word in that tweet.
But seriously give them a break,they do work there asses off and all people do is criticise them about what they've done wrong.
If you don't like it,don't buy it.

[FlamingBoy]

satunnainen wrote...

paul165 wrote...

Sable Rhapsody wrote...

FlamingBoy wrote...
honestly how hard they work is kind of irrelevant, they were dishonest and people are rightly pissed about it, so anything beyond but being in a state of rationality and humility makes them look extremely bad

I hope you aren't serious.

The games industry is more demanding than most gamers think, often with 70+ hour crunch work weeks for months at a time.  Build engineers, environment artists, animators, programmers...these guys put thousands of man-hours into their work, and this is the response they get?  Apparently a little human decency is too much to ask for <_<

So like someone else posted if the new car you bought has no headlights you think of the poor robots that built it and all their hard work? Or are you just pissed because the product you bought wasn't complete and doesn't work as intended?

Personally I pick option two from your post you would appear to pick option one. If you wouldn't they why does Bioware get a pass when Ford or Nissan wouldn't?

Cars do have all kinds of requirements and laws stating what systems need to be operational before you can drive them on public roads. They are also mass produced in factories. Computer game on the other hand is developed as a single product, then copied to dvd and sold to customer. There are much less rules and laws stating what a computer game must be or must not be. Your analogy is not very good. 

Maybe you should use some non essential part of cars as an analogy, like gps navigator. So you are not happy because your navigator did not have maps for italy installed and you are going to drive there for holiday... or something

there are strict laws with the functionality of electionic products as well, they just seem to be lax in recent years