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[Yajuu Omoi]

kipac wrote...

ToLazy4Name wrote...

I agree. Sure, some people are good enough to do that, but other players in the lobby don't know that and it's a risk most aren't willing to take.

That, or they actually AREN'T good enough and end up dying.

Thanks for agreeing with me. I'm sure some people would handle it well but at least the people I saw were unfourtunatley not..

80% of the time, you are right, just because someone has a higher level doesn't mean they can handle a gold match with a level one.

THERE ARE EXCEPTIONS. I can take a Human Infiltrator or N7 Demolisher at lvl 1 and easily coast through the gold match, other Infils can too but not quite as easily for me, any other class...I'm going to silver.

I've seen gold games where I'm the ONLY one higher than lvl 1...and the match went fine, but thats a VERY RARE experience.

[TobiasFunke]

pretty sure OP means bad PUGs in general but decided to phrase it so that he offended all the good players as well. Maybe use a better choice of words next time as in don't use such absolute terms when talking about players you don't know.

Anyway I don't promote normally but the last promote weekend event I did use a few level 1s in gold. It wasn't hard as long as you know your obvious limitations at level 1 and don't try to do too much. Decent level URs can carry you. Bad players regardless of N7 level - if they're doing poorly at level 1 then they won't do much better at level 20.

[Ronnie Blastoff]

Lathrim wrote...

It seems people need to realize the OP is talking about PUG's, where there are many bad and good players and no way to know which is what. With that said, being good enough to carry a full team through Gold matches myself and enjoying it, I don't really care.

Sure there is... look at they're N7 level...as much as people claim it means nothing, it seems the more 7K+ people I play with the more BS the non-promoters favorite comment,  just seems like... BS.

You can also look at they're weapons.  I'd gladly play with a person using a level 1 with a soldier/infiltrator using with a Harrier/Scorpion X combo with the right mods/equipment amonst a full team of engineers any day of the week over a level 20 asari justicar spammin reave with a level 1 acolyte pistol.

There are "signs and signals" that indicate usually how a match will turn out. Once you learn to read them, you learn that there IS A WAY TO TELL HOW A MATCH WILL TURN OUT.

Having a mic and talking to people also shows fruit.

Modifié par Ronnie Blastoff, 16 septembre 2012 - 03:26 .

[Shampoohorn]

Lathrim wrote...

It seems people need to realize the OP is talking about PUG's, where there are many bad and good players and no way to know which is what. With that said, being good enough to carry a full team through Gold matches myself and enjoying it, I don't really care.

Eh, level ones can do fine, as many people have said. OP you just need to get on your Mic and ask them if they think their up for it. If they dominate and outscore you then give them props. If they end up playing like a fool then ridicule them for their misplaced pride or eat them if you're krogan. Otherwise QQ.

The best thing about random games is the diversity of experience. Some suck, some are great, but all give you a chance to test your skill.

[NOME]

I was using a lvl1 Batarian Sentinel on a U/U/G game. I wasnt a liability and i got 5+ revives. I was revived maybe 2 times. 

[121210Olivia]

 let the butthurt flow through you young padawan

You had to comeback with something. You failed (gather your thoughts, understand why this is, eat humble pie and retire from this -- unless, of course, you wish to be truly made the fool of).

You will lose. 
Your argument is idiotic.

[Ciam]

Because u mad being overscored by a lvl1 char? Stupid OP...

[ryoldschool]

P51Mus7ang wrote...

I have seen it go both ways so I will look at the weapons and even then it's a tough call as I know, have on our team and have seen many do it in gold. If I have three good players I know on the team, I don't care, we will get full extraction.

Yeah, if you have three good players who you know, you can carry a fourth, no matter how bad they are.   The other week we got a guy who just started playing multiplayer, and was looking for a bronze game ( did not know how to change the search criteria ).  He was getting kicked from every lobby without being told why ( level one weapons ).    So we told him what was up, but we decided to carry him anyway.  Actually kind of interesting, we made sure he got to extraction...

[TheExile1]

I actually have just started gold games with noone in them with my level 1 GI and eventually people join the game in session and I get easy level ups. Usually topped the scoreboard too.

Modifié par TheExile1, 16 septembre 2012 - 03:29 .

[Yajuu Omoi]

Ronnie Blastoff wrote...

Zancloufer wrote...

Gimped: AS in having only 1 power, maybe 2 at rank 1.  Powers, and passive Trees add ALOT of firepower for most characters.  I can play pretty much any Adapt, and the Paladin with almost no reliance on weapons, just class skills.  If you want to find a decent comparison of a level 1 vs a level 20, maybe you should find someone as good as you.  Yes you can out do a level 20 with a level 1, but is it fun, or enjoyable?  It is HARDER to player as/with level 1 characters than level 20.  No matter how good you can be a shooting **** with a level 1 character, level 20 character would be suppior anyway.

Not saying YOU can't pull off it, but 50-75% of the PUGs out there struggle with level 17+ characters on Gold, so I sure as hell am not taking a chance with a level 1 unless I know the person.

Now in Silver or with friends I don't care much, but at least in Gold+ it makes a differnce.

I regularly play with friends who are better/just as good/awesome enough to play with level 1s. Playing with level 1s actually is "routine." once you do it over 250 times. (The "average legit" 10K N7 has promoted and used a level 1 at least that many times, do the math yourself) I'm not really going to come across anyone as good as me to compare myself to simply because I realized a long time ago this is a co-op game and I'm willing to take a "epeen" dive whenever my teamates need me to, as long as we're having fun and WINNING!

*************incoming smug comment***********
And btw, yes outdoing any level 20 with a level 1 is fun, just because according to this topic and a bunch of people who don't promote, there should be no reason why it happens. Probably because my N7 level is 10x the entire lobby added together....idk, perhaps playing with a level 1 all the time has givin me more survivablity skills than a person running around fully suited up has. Perhaps I'm just that beast...

You have won the Epeen ******* of the world Award.

/Arguement

[Ronnie Blastoff]

ryoldschool wrote...

Yeah, if you have three good players who you know, you can carry a fourth, no matter how bad they are.   The other week we got a guy who just started playing multiplayer, and was looking for a bronze game ( did not know how to change the search criteria ).  He was getting kicked from every lobby without being told why ( level one weapons ).    So we told him what was up, but we decided to carry him anyway.  Actually kind of interesting, we made sure he got to extraction...

I've been running into alot of those lately. Sadly its in platinum, and the people aren't level 1 new players. They are N7 70~400 carring stupid common~uncommon weapon loadouts with level 1 equipment.

[Mgamerz]

Deal with it op. Suck it up.

[Ronnie Blastoff]

Yajuu Omoi wrote...


You have won the Epeen ******* of the world Award.

/Arguement

That was the goal from the beginning my friend.


Thank you.:innocent:

[DeadeyeCYclops]

121210Olivia wrote...

 let the butthurt flow through you young padawan

You had to comeback with something. You failed (gather your thoughts, understand why this is, eat humble pie and retire from this -- unless, of course, you wish to be truly made the fool of).

You will lose. 
Your argument is idiotic.

So it hasn't flowed through you fully, give it some time it will  flow fully soon, I promise. and while you wait  come on over join a gold match with my lvl 1 and as i outscore you, the flow will cease, followed by a new butthurt.

[DeathToaster]

No excuse for lvl 1. At least spam recruit packs until lvl 4

[FrozenShadow]

But seriously, I do U/U/G games with randoms all the time with my lvl 1 character. And I have never had any problems.

And from my experience, it's not about character level or their powers, it's all about how well you use the weapons you have and your skill to use cover.

For example: Give Valiant for any lvl 1 character and use some sniper gear/mods and you can easily get high score, while still die rarely. And all this because you can kill your enemies long before they get close to you. And what comes to using cover part, if you know how to use cover (essentially, not to get hit by enemies), then your low level doesn't matter as you can keep yourself alive.

So, no, I'm going to continue playing gold with my lvl 1 character.

[Shampoohorn]

Lathrim wrote...

To be honest, to do well as a level 1 character you need to bring your best weapon, f*ck the weight/cooldowns and know how to keep yourself alive when you're squishy. Not that hard IMO. 

 

There are other ways. I had the pleasure of watching an asari headshot their way to a very high score last week. I came into the match late, so it was only when I got to the summary screen that I saw they were level one with a carnifex. Great player and a pleasant surprise.

[Yajuu Omoi]

Ronnie Blastoff wrote...

Yajuu Omoi wrote...


You have won the Epeen ******* of the world Award.

/Arguement

That was the goal from the beginning my friend.


Thank you.:innocent:

Welcome 

For the record...I'd rather have a lvl 1 with good weapons/good set-up, than a lvl 20 with bad weapons/bad set-up.
But a lvl 20 with good weapons/good set-up...WAY better.

In the end N7 lvl means nothing, I'm N71500, and have seen N7 120s with maxxed URs and they know how to use them. Just because someone doesn't promote doesn't mean that they are bad players.

The 4 things I look at when in a lobby, in order:

1. Loadout, what weapons, gear, and class you use.
2. What level your character is.
3. If you have a Mic or not.
4. Last N7.

A N7 <120 with a level <15 char and crappy weapon and no gear on gold = kick.

Modifié par Yajuu Omoi, 16 septembre 2012 - 03:44 .

[Moofy76]

I will usually vote kick someone that is below level 15 in a gold match, unless they are fully kitted out I would leave a 12-15 in. I do not care if YOU think you are good enough to do it or not, I am sick of carrying people by ressing or assisting them scorewise.

What happens the majority of the time people with low or bad weapons join, or are low N7 say below 200, or a sub level 15 character is that they end up being crap and die a lot, then quit. It makes the game experience annoying and not want to play anymore.

If someone can't go through the normal way to gear up their characters at an appropriate level and gear/kit and weapons for a gold game then they should just play silver.

[Ledgend1221]

Ronnie Blastoff wrote...

Ledgend1221 wrote...

I'd rather have a good lvl 20 then a godly lvl 1.

And this is why level 20s are usually trash. That comment has to be the stupidest thing I've heard all dam week.(Including last week).

Now if you really believe for a second a level 20 paladin using a geth plasma SMG 2 as his only weapon will EVER outperform a level 1 soldier campin an ammo box with a Harrier X and a Scorpion X on FBWGG, then you are seriously beyond help.

I said good lvl 20.
Good.
Aka: Not an idiot.

Now maybe you can show me these abundant soldiers with lvl X URs on something other then FBWGG.
If you think a Level 1 vanguard charging everything on FBGRP can EVER outperform a Level 20 soldier with a Harrier II, then you are seriously beyond help.

[FrozenShadow]

ryoldschool wrote...
There is no doubt some people can perform well on silver or gold with a low level character.   If we are talking PUG then I am not going to assume that the level 1 in my lobby is one of them.

Hmm, while I do agree with that you can never be sure about PUG, at least I'll give benefit of doubt to everyone. If you have good weapons and you use mods/gear, I'll play match with you. It's only after that match, that you can say if they are good or bad.

But I guess that's just rule of mine.