I brought Wynne to the Redcliffe quest (as a non-mage), and she sometimes seemed to recognize him (she mentioned the events from the mage origin), but she also said stuff like "I don't know if I trust this Jowan", which shows unfamiliarity. Shouldn't she have a well-formed opinion about Jowan from him being in the Circle Tower for years when she was a senior enchanter?
Shouldn't Wynne recognize Jowan?
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Posté 16 septembre 2012 - 04:37
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Compare it with her reaction to a mage warden at Ostagar. Her responses are pretty similar.
Actually Wynne's ignorance about the younger generation could be a good start for some fanfic.
Actually Wynne's ignorance about the younger generation could be a good start for some fanfic.
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Posté 16 septembre 2012 - 09:15
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She does mention him when they first meet in the dungeon, but in a way that implies only vague familiarity.
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Posté 16 septembre 2012 - 11:58
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Most of the senior enchanters in the Circle seem to know very little about the apprentices. They all respond to knowing of you vaguely in the magi Origin. I doubt Wynne even knew he existed until he escaped as he did.
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Posté 17 septembre 2012 - 12:18
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*delete* Mis-post. >.<
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Posté 17 septembre 2012 - 01:19
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Maybe, but then they're all like that. Within the Mage Origin, most apprentices and senior enchanters you encounter treat you and each other like complete strangers, which I find hard to believe as it's a very narrow tower with only three stories that the mages are allowed in, and no more than a couple dozen mages. They should be more familiar with each other than "I think I've seen you around here before" at best, "I've never met you" at worst, but whatever.
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Posté 18 septembre 2012 - 05:30
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Given how she was at Ostagar during the incident with Jowan -- and may not have actually been the one teaching him prior to that -- I think it's understandable how she only vaguely knows about him.
More like a couple hundred, given the immensity of deaths that occurred during Uldred's failed uprising and the cinematic showing them leaving for Denerim.
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and no more than a couple dozen mages.
More like a couple hundred, given the immensity of deaths that occurred during Uldred's failed uprising and the cinematic showing them leaving for Denerim.
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Posté 18 septembre 2012 - 04:55
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Jowan hasn't even gone through his Harrowing yet. He's not even an apprentice. Seeing as Wynne is a Senior Enchanter, it's not too unbelievable that they're seperated but such a rigid hierarchy that they're unfamiliar with each other. Mages aren't entirely restricted to the Tower, remember.
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Posté 18 septembre 2012 - 08:52
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It's not all that strict. Wynne mentions that she works as a teacher, and mentions as a black mark against Uldred that he never did. The Mage Warden is supposed to be mentored directly by the First Enchanter, isn't he/she?
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Posté 18 septembre 2012 - 10:52
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The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...
Faerunner wrote...
and no more than a couple dozen mages.
More like a couple hundred, given the immensity of deaths that occurred during Uldred's failed uprising and the cinematic showing them leaving for Denerim.
Sorry, but I don't remember seeing hundreds of mages when exploring the tower in the mage origin. I don't even think the tower can fit that many people.
Also, if memory serves, there were only several abominations in most rooms during the Broken Circle quest. The rest were just straight up demons that broke through the veil (like rage and desire) and enchanted templars running amuck.
Also, the cinematics showing them leaving for Denerim didn't look like they were in the hundreds. To be honest, the amount they did show seemed way too many for how much they supposedly had left. Anyway, if memory serves, you only get like 15 or so mages to help you in the final battle. That's a far cry from the 50 or 70 or so numbers you get from other armies.
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Posté 19 septembre 2012 - 03:46
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Sorry, but I don't remember seeing hundreds of mages when exploring the tower in the mage origin. I don't even think the tower can fit that many people.
Also, if memory serves, there were only several abominations in most rooms during the Broken Circle quest. The rest were just straight up demons that broke through the veil (like rage and desire) and enchanted templars running amuck.
Gameplay and story segregation. The Tower, from the outside, goes a lot higher then just four or five floors.
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Anyway, if memory serves, you only get like 15 or so mages to help you in the final battle
12, I believe. Bear in mind however, this isn't necessarily indicative of only a dozen mages being there. It's really just indicative of which forces were closest to the Warden to respond.
You can only call 4 Golems to aid you. That doesn't mean only four Golems were in Denerim.
I'd also say it's to try and not make the gameplay too easy, but given how you're slaughtering Hurlock Grunts easily, that's not much of an argument. Still, there are the Generals, Ogres, and occasional Emissaries.
Plus, the damage output of each force's squadron is a great deal less then the Warden's.
Faerunner wrote...
Also, the cinematics showing them leaving for Denerim didn't look like they were in the hundreds.
I'd say it does, considering that we see a few dozen leaving the tower to march and then when it goes to a topside angle shot showing the Mages marching, there are more and more coming off of the boats.
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Posté 21 septembre 2012 - 02:42
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The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...
Given how she was at Ostagar during the incident with Jowan -- and may not have actually been the one teaching him prior to that -- I think it's understandable how she only vaguely knows about him.Faerunner wrote...
and no more than a couple dozen mages.
More like a couple hundred, given the immensity of deaths that occurred during Uldred's failed uprising and the cinematic showing them leaving for Denerim.
Even a couple of hundred, they should all know each other. That is a tiny, tiny community, especially for people who are confined.
I agree, it's just weird.
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Posté 24 septembre 2012 - 09:38
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Jowan wasn't exactly "gifted" and was on his way to being tranquil, If someone is so bad at their art that they do not stand out then there is no way that Wynne being a high level enchanter would recognise or even associate with Jowan.
A headteacher does not recognise and speak to all students at their school do they?
Wynne is waaaay too important to waste time on someone like Jowan, a shame really because if she did know him and realise how much he was struggling she may have offered to tutor him privately and the course of origins may have changed, he may even have been a playable character.
A headteacher does not recognise and speak to all students at their school do they?
Wynne is waaaay too important to waste time on someone like Jowan, a shame really because if she did know him and realise how much he was struggling she may have offered to tutor him privately and the course of origins may have changed, he may even have been a playable character.
