I agree 100 % OP... let's have a beer some time or kool aid, whatever you're into.
Mass effect 2 was a better game
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#127
Posté 17 septembre 2012 - 12:19
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I'm a DR Pepper man.liggy002 wrote...
I agree 100 % OP... let's have a beer some time or kool aid, whatever you're into.
#128
Posté 17 septembre 2012 - 12:22
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ME1 was better than ME3. ME3 and ME2 flip flop in 2nd place depending on when you ask me though.
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Posté 17 septembre 2012 - 12:24
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ME >>> ME3 >>>>>>>>>>>>>> ME2
Fact.
Fact.
#130
Posté 17 septembre 2012 - 12:26
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Epic ending. You can get away with a lot of flaws of your ending is epic.
#131
Posté 17 septembre 2012 - 12:32
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Fiction.Rubios wrote...
ME >>> ME3 >>>>>>>>>>>>>> ME2
Fact.
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Posté 17 septembre 2012 - 12:33
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lynch108 wrote...
Epic ending. You can get away with a lot of flaws of your ending is epic.
ME2 did have some flaws but at the same time some of those flaws were due to folk nit picking way too much.
#133
Posté 17 septembre 2012 - 12:39
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Yes. Yes it was.
#134
Posté 17 septembre 2012 - 12:59
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Rubios wrote...
ME >>> ME3 >>>>>>>>>>>>>> ME2Fact. Opinion.
Anyway........
I much prefer ME2 despite its main plot being almost as bad as ME3's.
#135
Posté 17 septembre 2012 - 01:03
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I liked the combat in ME2 but liked the story better of ME1.
Really didn't enjoy being forced to work for Cerberus. Great game though.
Really didn't enjoy being forced to work for Cerberus. Great game though.
#136
Posté 17 septembre 2012 - 01:04
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Hackulator wrote...
Seriously though, how does being dead for 2 years, and not just dead but blasted and explosively decompressed, and then somehow returning to life not break suspension of disbelief. Do you know what would happen to a person's brain tissue after being blasted, frozen, and explosively decompressed? There wouldn't be a mind left to resurrect.
There is no explosive decompression. At best a drop from 1 atmosphere to vaccuum could result in damage to lung tissue if the air escaped from the lugs too quickly. But from the game we saw a rather slow air leak in Shepards suit. The most that would happen is a bit of swelling, but the skin and other tissues are more than adaquate to prevent any sort of explosive decommpression.
#137
Posté 17 septembre 2012 - 01:06
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ME1 even with its age still is a more involved story detailed game compared to other titles today. It got you involved in the events of the story and getting swept up by it was easy. It was a mystery you had to solve and have fun doing it.
ME2 took everything you had done and incorporated it seamlessly. I’ll admit I am confused why other members think it ME2 had nothing to do with the main story as finding out who the “Collectors” where and repurposed by the Reapers concretes’ a strong thought.
If we loose 50K from now the dominate races will be encountering “Collectors” but they will be seeing Husks, Cannibals, Banshees, and Brutes. In effect by attacking the Collectors base we eliminated the Reapers “Work Force.” ME2 set the stage for you really don’t want to become the race that replaces the “Collectors” for a work force. “Arrival” got the story spinning that much faster for a wild ride…?
Getting told to go to Mars and not Illos or Feros made me think “This Data’s been found..Where..Wait..What??” I do think several of the missions where done very well they just never reach the story depth that 1 and 2 did seemingly so easy.
Just my Opinion.
Ryde…
ME2 took everything you had done and incorporated it seamlessly. I’ll admit I am confused why other members think it ME2 had nothing to do with the main story as finding out who the “Collectors” where and repurposed by the Reapers concretes’ a strong thought.
If we loose 50K from now the dominate races will be encountering “Collectors” but they will be seeing Husks, Cannibals, Banshees, and Brutes. In effect by attacking the Collectors base we eliminated the Reapers “Work Force.” ME2 set the stage for you really don’t want to become the race that replaces the “Collectors” for a work force. “Arrival” got the story spinning that much faster for a wild ride…?
Getting told to go to Mars and not Illos or Feros made me think “This Data’s been found..Where..Wait..What??” I do think several of the missions where done very well they just never reach the story depth that 1 and 2 did seemingly so easy.
Just my Opinion.
Ryde…
#138
Posté 17 septembre 2012 - 01:17
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Only bad thing about ME2 is it's main story quest: it's not interesting, it's short, it's out of place (Collectors is bad idea). For everything else - it's the best part of ME Franchise.
But I love ME1 more, because of it's spirit.
But I love ME1 more, because of it's spirit.
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Posté 17 septembre 2012 - 01:36
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Kulbelbolka wrote...
Only bad thing about ME2 is it's main story quest: it's not interesting, it's short, it's out of place (Collectors is bad idea). For everything else - it's the best part of ME Franchise.
But I love ME1 more, because of it's spirit.
Well I thought ME2 felt more mature.
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Posté 17 septembre 2012 - 02:07
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Mass Effect 2 was a way better game then ME3
As the ending felt like it gave me cookies for destroying the enemy
Not a slap in the face
As the ending felt like it gave me cookies for destroying the enemy
Not a slap in the face
#141
Posté 17 septembre 2012 - 02:09
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It was a funner and more polished game yes. And the story wasn't too destructive (at least in comparison to ME3). still, it was pretty bad as a story telling experience.
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Posté 17 septembre 2012 - 02:10
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You felt like the biggest Badass at the ending of ME2 like you walked out like the Boss you were at the end but ME3 I felt like such a tool I mean I real tool.thearbiter1337 wrote...
Mass Effect 2 was a way better game then ME3
As the ending felt like it gave me cookies for destroying the enemy
Not a slap in the face
#143
Posté 17 septembre 2012 - 02:10
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Why does every keep saying ME2 had a bad story?
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Posté 17 septembre 2012 - 02:12
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Mehiggy4566 wrote...
Why does every keep saying ME2 had a bad story?
Their saying ME2 has a bad story as ME3 RETCON'd most of it and are trying to be optimistic about it
#145
Posté 17 septembre 2012 - 02:19
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Why does every keep saying ME2 had a bad story?
Because it was bad.
From start to finish pretty much anything to do with the main plot was silly.
Here, have a link to the article which greatly influenced my opinion on the matter:
http://www.shamusyou...dedtale/?p=7004
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Posté 17 septembre 2012 - 02:28
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ME2 was the best. ME1 did a couple things better than it.
While ME3 does a handful of things right, it is not as rewarding to play, combat mechanics are watered down, and there is no sense of accomplishment whatsoever.
While ME3 does a handful of things right, it is not as rewarding to play, combat mechanics are watered down, and there is no sense of accomplishment whatsoever.
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Posté 17 septembre 2012 - 03:00
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The Night Mammoth wrote...
iggy4566 wrote...
Why does every keep saying ME2 had a bad story?
Because it was bad.
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#148
Posté 17 septembre 2012 - 04:00
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The Night Mammoth wrote...
iggy4566 wrote...
Why does every keep saying ME2 had a bad story?
Because it was bad.
From start to finish pretty much anything to do with the main plot was silly.
Here, have a link to the article which greatly influenced my opinion on the matter:
http://www.shamusyou...dedtale/?p=7004
I've seen people tear that article a new one a thousand times over. For the sake of ranting, Shamus Young either ignores established plot points, nitpicks to a ridiculous degree, or simply says something is bad because he didn't pay attention to it.
If I did the same thing, I could rip apart ME1's plot just as easily as well.
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Posté 17 septembre 2012 - 04:05
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Pretty much agree with you OP. While ME3 do have better combat with the inclusion of the dodge roll and variety of weapons and armor.
But ME2 kept the core of Mass Effect gameplay experience and what made Mass Effect 2, Mass Effect to me. The Dialogue wheel. In ME2 though they kind of remove a neutral option here and there, but I felt like I was getting the information I needed to make a choice I felt comfortable making and I was immersed in the story. Most characters you meet in a side quest have plenty of dialog and you can learn about the characters you're interacting with. In ME3 I eavesdrop them and run off to find said object with little to no information with a garbage journal system I felt no connection with helping these people because I did not interact with them. All I would do is just scan every new sector as soon as a priority mission ends to grab everything I needed and just hand them in and run off to the next person.
While ME3 have the better combat gameplay, but it lacked enemy variety. In ME2 you have the Loch Mechs, Collectors, Blood Packs, Eclipse, The Blue Suns and the Geth. ME3 only have half of that... The Reapers, Cerberus, and Geth..... and you only fought the Geth in the Rannoch Chapter. I spent more time fighting Emperor TIM's lobotomized drones than the freaking Reapers.
ME3 Journal. As I mention before was garbage, it doesn't update properly like the last two games... why change this now? In ME2 and ME1 you where given everything you needed to know and where to go and what you have. In ME3 I spent most of my time trying to figure out where the hell I needed go and what I needed..... only to found out that I already have it because I bump into the person who needed the item on the Citadel.
About the story in ME2? Well it made sense to me even if you hated Cerberus to the core they gave you evidence beyond a reasonable doubt about the collector attacks and they are the only one doing a damn thing about it. And as Shepard along the way you can defy Cerberus in numerous decisions. From returning Veetor to Tali to giving classified info to Jack and blowing up the Collector base.
Though I admit The Loyalty missions sort of detract from stopping the collectors. But it made sense you would do those mission now before making the trip to the Omega 4 relay. If your crew isn't focus on the task then you where bound to suffer heavy casualties in an already suicide mission. I rather have everybody ready with nothing on their minds, but the mission.
Unlike the garbage War Assets and Priority Earth in ME3... we actually do face consequences if we do not prepare for the Suicide Mission. Didn't fully upgrade the Normandy? You lost some people. Did a misson after your crew got kidnap? Lost half of your crew including Gabby and Kelly. Did two missions? Lost everyone except Chakwas. Send a non tech expert or a nonloyal tech expert through the pipe? She dies. I felt the variety of consequences in 2 than I ever did in ME3. And what difference is we actually see these things happening. And whats makes the Suicide mission better is we make the decision who goes where and do what what.
In ME3 it's just pick a damn color with a petty War Crime on it rip from Deus Ex with a over sized garbage can you have literal no idea what it does other than it suppose to destroy the Reapers until the last ten minutes from the game from the AI who happens to created the Reapers. We... launch a weapon... when we are not sure what exactly how it's used.... We couldn't learn about the crucible functions from the scientists who works on it? You know the people who like to test things to be sure it works before actually using it. Why did it have to be a stupid A.I. who takes a form of a kid no one @#$%ing cares about... who claims he is the Reapers creator? And he goes on to explain the only way that Shepard can save the Galaxy is to snuff himself? Seriously? Am I the player suppose to believe the creature that wipe out the galaxy for eons is giving me a ultimatum to save the galaxy?
There are other problems with the story in ME3, like Thane and Legions moronically stupid deaths and Udina's lobotomized decisions.
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But ME2 kept the core of Mass Effect gameplay experience and what made Mass Effect 2, Mass Effect to me. The Dialogue wheel. In ME2 though they kind of remove a neutral option here and there, but I felt like I was getting the information I needed to make a choice I felt comfortable making and I was immersed in the story. Most characters you meet in a side quest have plenty of dialog and you can learn about the characters you're interacting with. In ME3 I eavesdrop them and run off to find said object with little to no information with a garbage journal system I felt no connection with helping these people because I did not interact with them. All I would do is just scan every new sector as soon as a priority mission ends to grab everything I needed and just hand them in and run off to the next person.
While ME3 have the better combat gameplay, but it lacked enemy variety. In ME2 you have the Loch Mechs, Collectors, Blood Packs, Eclipse, The Blue Suns and the Geth. ME3 only have half of that... The Reapers, Cerberus, and Geth..... and you only fought the Geth in the Rannoch Chapter. I spent more time fighting Emperor TIM's lobotomized drones than the freaking Reapers.
ME3 Journal. As I mention before was garbage, it doesn't update properly like the last two games... why change this now? In ME2 and ME1 you where given everything you needed to know and where to go and what you have. In ME3 I spent most of my time trying to figure out where the hell I needed go and what I needed..... only to found out that I already have it because I bump into the person who needed the item on the Citadel.
About the story in ME2? Well it made sense to me even if you hated Cerberus to the core they gave you evidence beyond a reasonable doubt about the collector attacks and they are the only one doing a damn thing about it. And as Shepard along the way you can defy Cerberus in numerous decisions. From returning Veetor to Tali to giving classified info to Jack and blowing up the Collector base.
Though I admit The Loyalty missions sort of detract from stopping the collectors. But it made sense you would do those mission now before making the trip to the Omega 4 relay. If your crew isn't focus on the task then you where bound to suffer heavy casualties in an already suicide mission. I rather have everybody ready with nothing on their minds, but the mission.
Unlike the garbage War Assets and Priority Earth in ME3... we actually do face consequences if we do not prepare for the Suicide Mission. Didn't fully upgrade the Normandy? You lost some people. Did a misson after your crew got kidnap? Lost half of your crew including Gabby and Kelly. Did two missions? Lost everyone except Chakwas. Send a non tech expert or a nonloyal tech expert through the pipe? She dies. I felt the variety of consequences in 2 than I ever did in ME3. And what difference is we actually see these things happening. And whats makes the Suicide mission better is we make the decision who goes where and do what what.
In ME3 it's just pick a damn color with a petty War Crime on it rip from Deus Ex with a over sized garbage can you have literal no idea what it does other than it suppose to destroy the Reapers until the last ten minutes from the game from the AI who happens to created the Reapers. We... launch a weapon... when we are not sure what exactly how it's used.... We couldn't learn about the crucible functions from the scientists who works on it? You know the people who like to test things to be sure it works before actually using it. Why did it have to be a stupid A.I. who takes a form of a kid no one @#$%ing cares about... who claims he is the Reapers creator? And he goes on to explain the only way that Shepard can save the Galaxy is to snuff himself? Seriously? Am I the player suppose to believe the creature that wipe out the galaxy for eons is giving me a ultimatum to save the galaxy?
There are other problems with the story in ME3, like Thane and Legions moronically stupid deaths and Udina's lobotomized decisions.
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#150
Posté 17 septembre 2012 - 04:09
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yea, the gameplay was definitely better in 3, but the story was better in 2. The story was very good in ME1 too but the gameplay mechanics were klunky at best even for that era. I have heard interest in redoing ME1 and maybe even ME2 with the ME3 mechanics from other players. I would buy those if it happened......as long as they were reasonably priced.
The problem I have always had with ME2 is I always want to cough "BULL SH..!" into my hand when Shep agrees to work with Cerberus. The first time I played it I was like "WTF? Cerberus?"...."OK, how quick before I can ditch these chumps and get back to working with the good guys?"
The problem I have always had with ME2 is I always want to cough "BULL SH..!" into my hand when Shep agrees to work with Cerberus. The first time I played it I was like "WTF? Cerberus?"...."OK, how quick before I can ditch these chumps and get back to working with the good guys?"
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