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[David7204]

Cassidy in New Vegas is the best-bud of the protagonist, is she not? As much as Veronica or Arcade , and more than Boone.

Modifié par David7204, 17 septembre 2012 - 06:39 .

[Sable Rhapsody]

RadicalDisconnect wrote...
He was responsible for Garrus, one of the most popular characters, in ME1 and ME2.

Actually, Pat Weekes was responsible for most of Garrus's content in ME2 and ME3.  Mac did write ME1 Garrus.

[This is the End My Friend]

@Dre

LOL. At what point did I attack Garrus, all I said was he isn't my cup of tea.

Modifié par General Slotts, 17 septembre 2012 - 06:40 .

[devSin]

Didn't somebody else take over Garrus for ME2?

That said, it's not like he has much depth. Garrus in ME is the disaffected cop, and in ME2 he's the failed vigilante (betrayed from within!).

Even still, Mac's dialogue is tremendously awful. Arrival was terrible, Earth is terrible, a lot of the dialogue on Mars and up to the Council meeting is terrible, a lot of the principal dialogue for the plot characters (TIM, Anderson, and Hackett) is terrible, that final speech with TIM is terrible, the plot is terrible, and the ending is terrible.

Yeah, peer-reviewed Garrus may have turned into a good character. That doesn't make Mac a good writer, and Arrival and ME3 offer substantial proof that he truly isn't.

Modifié par devSin, 17 septembre 2012 - 06:45 .

[dreman9999]

M2S SOLID JOSH wrote...

i feel like everyone goes straight to the ending for complaints. i felt alot of me3's plot was lacking, the main mission thessia and tachunka were great but then u have missions like the citadel where for some reason udina betrays us and we get kai leng...then theres earth.of course these things wouldve been forgiven if the endings were good

I can understand why Undina betrayed us.
Kai Lang was always a dragon chracter in the books and feel people overreact reguards to him too much.I'm he was a character who's growth was only in internal dialoge and he never talked most of the time in the books.


But the earth mission......Say what you will.

[dreman9999]

General Slotts wrote...

@Dre

LOL. At what point did I attack Garrus, all I said was he isn't my cup of tea.

 
Garrus is everyones cup of tea.

[This is the End My Friend]

David7204 wrote...

Cassidy in New Vegas is the best-bud of the protagonist, is she not? As much as Veronica or Arcade , and more than Boone.

Doesn't she try to kill you if you side with the Legion if I remember correctly? Doesn't seem very friendly.  

[This is the End My Friend]

Anyway the great thing about New Vegas' characterization is there were no canon friends, imo.

[ghost9191]

dreman9999 wrote...

General Slotts wrote...

@Dre

LOL. At what point did I attack Garrus, all I said was he isn't my cup of tea.

(snip)
Garrus is everyones cup of tea.

not mine, prefer iced tea myself. usually doesn't come in a cup

[WarGriffin]

Sable Rhapsody wrote...

RadicalDisconnect wrote...
He was responsible for Garrus, one of the most popular characters, in ME1 and ME2.

Actually, Pat Weekes was responsible for most of Garrus's content in ME2 and ME3.  Mac did write ME1 Garrus.

ME1 Garrus is a sychopantic whiner constantly begging for shepard's approval


I only like him once he became really snarky in ME2

[Flyprdu]

The Night Mammoth wrote...

Yes, old news is old.

I respect him as a character writer.

Wouldn't know about his abilities as a plot writer since I have no idea what parts he actually wrote or was responsible for.

I've read the comic books... and they illustrate his plot writing abilities perfectly. 

[Mr.House]

I only liked Garrus in ME3, and Garrus was not written by Walters in ME3.

As for Wrex, well sometimes you get lucky.

[KiwiQuiche]

Jade8aby88 wrote...

yes.

Being a good character writer =/= being a good plot writer.

[KiwiQuiche]

General Slotts wrote...

David7204 wrote...

Cassidy in New Vegas is the best-bud of the protagonist, is she not? As much as Veronica or Arcade , and more than Boone.

Doesn't she try to kill you if you side with the Legion if I remember correctly? Doesn't seem very friendly.  

Nah, Cass will only attack/leave you if you have negative karma. Otherwise she'll be fine with you if you are a Legion supporter with loads of positive karma.

[Reptilian Rob]

Mac is a fantastic character writer!

But he is NOT a narrative writer.

[obZen DF]

If I'm not mistaken, Mac wrote TIM and Wrex as well.

[Ranger Jack Walker]

People act like Walters took it upon himself to personally destroy Mass Effect as much as possible because reasons.

[Reptilian Rob]

Arcian wrote...

The good parts of Garrus were written by Patrick Weekes, not Super MAC.

EDIT: To clarify, Super MAC writes characters as if they were humans, including aliens. Do you know why ME has been so overly human-centric? Well, partly because the entirety of BioWare has some kind of fetish for their own species, but also because Super MAC can't write aliens for ****.

Super Mac?

I'll have to remember that one...

[daecath]

Another reason why I don't believe that the ending was just simply badly written. I think there were extenuating circumstances.

My own personal theory is that they actually did plan for the ending we saw to be an indoctrination attempt, and that there would be more after it. However, thanks to EA's greed, their timeframe was shrunk to ridiculous amounts (less than the other two), yet they had to cram more in (3 consoles instead of 2, plus 5 DLC's for ME 2, a port of ME2 to PS3, and Multiplayer). With that pressure, I think they were forced to turn their indoctrination attempt into a literal ending, and that's why it makes no sense.

[Peregrin25]

Yeah, that is old news. I do agree, he is an amazing character writer.

I cannot comment on the plot as far as ME3 goes, because I do not know what he did and did not do.
I think overall he should stick to his strengths.

[N7 Lisbeth]

He wrote a couple good characters. Then he wrote an ending that killed all three games, all future games, heck the whole franchise. Gee, I wonder which he'll be remembered for ...

[Fiery Phoenix]

To clarify, Mac was responsible for ME1 Garrus. In ME2 and ME3, Garrus was Patrick Weekes' baby; Mac had nothing to do with Garrus after ME1.

In any case. I do agree he's a decent character writer. Not quite so when it comes to story and large-scale narrative design, as is clearly evidenced by the games.