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[Jadebaby]

Arcian wrote...

Ranger Jack Walker wrote...

People act like Walters took it upon himself to personally destroy Mass Effect as much as possible because reasons.

Hello? Super MAC? 5325 megatons of 3000 ton ferrous destruction ejected at 12,000 kilometers per second every 10 seconds? The man was made to destroy Covenant supercarriers and franchises. It's in his nature.

Some people, geez...

lol

[JimJamBimBam]

Fiery Phoenix wrote...

To clarify, Mac was responsible for ME1 Garrus. In ME2 and ME3, Garrus was Patrick Weekes' baby; Mac had nothing to do with Garrus after ME1.

In any case. I do agree he's a decent character writer. Not quite so when it comes to story and large-scale narrative design, as is clearly evidenced by the games.

To clarify even further, John Dombrow wrote Garrus in ME3, along with Wrex, Javik and the entire Tuchanka arc.

[FlamingBoy]

creation of 1 good character vs breaking the our understanding of ME universe

its pretty clear which one wins

[Fiery Phoenix]

JimJamBimBam wrote...

Fiery Phoenix wrote...

To clarify, Mac was responsible for ME1 Garrus. In ME2 and ME3, Garrus was Patrick Weekes' baby; Mac had nothing to do with Garrus after ME1.

In any case. I do agree he's a decent character writer. Not quite so when it comes to story and large-scale narrative design, as is clearly evidenced by the games.

To clarify even further, John Dombrow wrote Garrus in ME3, along with Wrex, Javik and the entire Tuchanka arc.

I'm actually not 100% positive on ME3 Garrus, but I do recall Patrick tweeting about writing for him. I believe he was mainly responsible for the Normandy dialogue.

Modifié par Fiery Phoenix, 17 septembre 2012 - 09:58 .

[JimJamBimBam]

Fiery Phoenix wrote...

JimJamBimBam wrote...

Fiery Phoenix wrote...

To clarify, Mac was responsible for ME1 Garrus. In ME2 and ME3, Garrus was Patrick Weekes' baby; Mac had nothing to do with Garrus after ME1.

In any case. I do agree he's a decent character writer. Not quite so when it comes to story and large-scale narrative design, as is clearly evidenced by the games.

To clarify even further, John Dombrow wrote Garrus in ME3, along with Wrex, Javik and the entire Tuchanka arc.

I'm actually not 100% positive on ME3 Garrus, but I do recall Patrick tweeting about writing his dialogue. I believe he was mainly responsible for the Normandy dialogue.

Neither am I actually, I watched one of their panels from earlier in the year the other day, which had both John Dombrow and Patrick Weekes there. They may have written Garrus together, but I am pretty sure that they mentioned that John did most of the work. I know for certain that John wrote the romance dialouge, and I think that he wrote at least the majority of the rest. Don't take my word for it though, this is all just from memory.

[Reptilian Rob]

Arcian wrote...

Ranger Jack Walker wrote...

People act like Walters took it upon himself to personally destroy Mass Effect as much as possible because reasons.

Hello? Super MAC? 5325 megatons of 3000 ton ferrous destruction ejected at 12,000 kilometers per second every 10 seconds? The man was made to destroy Covenant supercarriers and franchises. It's in his nature.

Some people, geez...

Wow, you are talking so Halo nerdy right now...

Please, go on...

[Gibb_Shepard]

Come on man. Garrus is popular because of his voice and he is partial to Shepard.

His character is... extremely basic. Come on. Seriously.

[Baa Baa]

Yes, and he should have stuck with writing characters

[devSin]

JimJamBimBam wrote...

Neither am I actually, I watched one of their panels from earlier in the year the other day, which had both John Dombrow and Patrick Weekes there.

I am.

John Dombrow wrote Garrus in ME3, as well as Javik. Sylvia wrote Liara, Cathleen wrote Kaidan, Patrick wrote Tali, Mac wrote James, Chris wrote EDI, and Jay wrote Ashley.

I believe that the author of a particular mission writes all the dialogue and banter for that mission (it's not the specific character writer—those are for the Normandy and Citadel dialogues). This explains, for instance, why Liara's dialogue in the prologue is so shockingly bad (Mac wrote everything up to the end of the Council meeting as far as I'm aware).

Modifié par devSin, 17 septembre 2012 - 10:39 .

[DuffyMJ]

 Garrus' character was good, but the voice actor brings him to life not the writer.  The writing for Garrus itself actually really sucks.  He RESOLVED his issue of renegade vs. father's footsteps (law man) with the Dr. Hart plot in Mass Effect 1.  The Sidonis plot in Mass Effect 2 was basically a total rehash of his character loyalty quest in the first game!  Even if you teach Garrus that it's best to do things the right way than the easy/satisfying way in ME 1, Garrus just brushes it off saying "I know you won't like it Shepard but I'm going to kill Sidonis"



So f* that noise, Mac Walters is not a good writer, period. 

[Uncle Jo]

So what?

[JimJamBimBam]

devSin wrote...

JimJamBimBam wrote...

Neither am I actually, I watched one of their panels from earlier in the year the other day, which had both John Dombrow and Patrick Weekes there.

I am.

John Dombrow wrote Garrus in ME3, as well as Javik. Sylvia wrote Liara, Cathleen wrote Kaidan, Patrick wrote Tali, Mac wrote James, Chris wrote EDI, and Jay wrote Ashley.

I believe that the author of a particular mission writes all the dialogue and banter for that mission (it's not the specific character writer—those are for the Normandy and Citadel dialogues). This explains, for instance, why Liara's dialogue in the prologue is so shockingly bad (Mac wrote everything up to the end of the Council meeting as far as I'm aware).

Ah, I knew he wrote Garrus. Thanks for clearing that up.

[El Mito]

devSin wrote...

JimJamBimBam wrote...

Neither am I actually, I watched one of their panels from earlier in the year the other day, which had both John Dombrow and Patrick Weekes there.

I am.

John Dombrow wrote Garrus in ME3, as well as Javik. Sylvia wrote Liara, Cathleen wrote Kaidan, Patrick wrote Tali, Mac wrote James, Chris wrote EDI, and Jay wrote Ashley.

I believe that the author of a particular mission writes all the dialogue and banter for that mission (it's not the specific character writer—those are for the Normandy and Citadel dialogues). This explains, for instance, why Liara's dialogue in the prologue is so shockingly bad (Mac wrote everything up to the end of the Council meeting as far as I'm aware).

So basically, Hack Walters wrote the most forgettable character and all the ****ty parts of the game. Why am I not surprised? Your lead writer, everyone.

[CrazyRah]

Jade8aby88 wrote...

yes.

Being a good character writer =/= being a good plot writer.

Yes, very much this. I've never doubted his capabilities to write solid characters which he does. However he's not as good plot writer and that's noticeable. I would greatly prefer if he spent more time writing characters since he's really good at it. Leave the plot to someone else instead and things might be better 

[SpamBot2000]

I know that people are saying that, yes. How they know, I know not.

All I really know is he wrote Arrival, was lead on ME3 and wrote the ending with space spook locked in a secret room of doom with Mr. Hudson. And he came up with the 'action mode'.

Oh, and he probably never played ME1. He referred to Ashley as having 'short hair' when Shep meets her on Eden Prime. Most people who played ME1 can tell this is untrue. Ashley had short hair in some early concept art.

Modifié par SpamBot2000, 17 septembre 2012 - 11:39 .

[Comsky159]

Jade8aby88 wrote...

yes.

Being a good character writer =/= being a good plot writer.

[iSousek]

And the point is?

I personally don't think that Garrus was written better than some other characters, and even if he was it wouldn't excuse him of the horror that ME 3 is.

I find most of the Mac's work quite enjoyable (comics, characters he's written, most of ME 2) but I see no way how his previous works pardon ME 3.

As with every author and artist, I think you should evaluate him based on what he is creating now

[GreyLycanTrope]

CrazyRah wrote...

Jade8aby88 wrote...

yes.

Being a good character writer =/= being a good plot writer.

Yes, very much this. I've never doubted his capabilities to write solid characters which he does. However he's not as good plot writer and that's noticeable. I would greatly prefer if he spent more time writing characters since he's really good at it. Leave the plot to someone else instead and things might be better 

Yeah Arrival showed what happens when he's given control of the plot. Seems obsessed with having Shepard committing actions on par with war criminals and pushing an ends justified the means mentality.

Modifié par Greylycantrope, 17 septembre 2012 - 11:57 .

[Zardoc]

RadicalDisconnect wrote...

Jade8aby88 wrote...

yes.

Being a good character writer =/= being a good plot writer.

Oh yeah, I'm aware of that. I just feel many people are branding Walters as an incompetent writer in all aspects just because of the endings.

Well, his comics are abysmal, too.

[wizardryforever]

N7 Lisbeth wrote...

He wrote a couple good characters. Then he wrote an ending that killed all three games, all future games, heck the whole franchise. Gee, I wonder which he'll be remembered for ...

Oh please, stop being such a drama queen.  The ending ruined the last ten minutes, and nothing else.  Hell, given how rife with headcanon the endings are, you'd think people just want to be dissatisfied.  You can come up with an exceedingly positive interpretation for any ending (you can even endeavor to make Refuse tolerable), and yet nobody seems to try that.  Instead, they take the most negative interpretation possible and then complain about Bioware being responsible for their own crappy interpretation.

It definitely could have been better written, explained, etc.  No argument here.  But it ruins only as much as you let it ruin.  And if you let it ruin the whole franchise for you, then the Reapers really have won.  

See, I can be a drama queen too. 

[Yate]

I actually like the endings. And the plots of ME2 and ME3 are far more original and better paced than ME1. So yeah, Walters is cool beans.

[What a Succulent Ass]

General Slotts wrote...

I don't like Garrus.

[What a Succulent Ass]

I don't find him particularly well-written, either.

Arcian wrote...

Abysmal doesn't even begin to describe how bad they are.

To be fair, the off-model art probably makes it seem even worse than it already is.