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[teh DRUMPf!!]

Arcian wrote...

The good parts of Garrus were written by Patrick Weekes, not Super MAC.

EDIT: To clarify, Super MAC writes characters as if they were humans, including aliens. Do you know why ME has been so overly human-centric? Well, partly because the entirety of BioWare has some kind of fetish for their own species, but also because Super MAC can't write aliens for ****.

Well that holds true for every alien not named Legion, or maybe Mordin.

Mac also wrote James, who's an improvement over the usual human lead, but got stale after a while. BW isn't very good at writing human characters either IMO.

If I'm not wrong, Mac also wrote TIM and Aria.

[What a Succulent Ass]

TIM is an idiot (who got worse with ME3), so that's no credit, and Aria is a hammy NPC with an unspecified backstory.

...Unless we want to include her characterisation in the novels and comics, which really wouldn't do her any favours.

Well that holds true for every alien not named Legion

Until ME3.

Edit: And Vega is almost as brickish as Shepard.

Modifié par Random Jerkface, 17 septembre 2012 - 04:41 .

[teh DRUMPf!!]

 All true.

Except for Aria.

One rule.

[MegaSovereign]

TIM was my favorite character, Jerkface.

[What a Succulent Ass]

MegaSovereign wrote...

TIM was my favorite character, Jerkface.

I am very sorry for your loss.

[ld1449]

He didn't write him in ME2. He wrote him in ME1 with a cookie cutter frustrated cop persona in ME2 is when Garrus broke out of that shell, him and Wrex, becoming much more interesting. And he didn't touch either character in ME2

[MegaSovereign]

Random Jerkface wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

TIM was my favorite character, Jerkface.

I am very sorry for your loss.

I will miss him dearly.

[Minthird]

MegaSovereign wrote...

TIM was my favorite character, Jerkface.

Yeah, same here. I had little problems with the characters, but the cut of dialogue and interactive storyline, was a great betrayal to the previous two games.

[Twinzam.V]

MegaSovereign wrote...

TIM was my favorite character, Jerkface.

He had style like a Bond villain, cunning as Lex luthor and the brains of Prof. Moriarty. 
Then he just degraded to.... MUAHAHAHAHAH.

[Barquiel]

ld1449 wrote...

He didn't write him in ME2. He wrote him in ME1 with a cookie cutter frustrated cop persona in ME2 is when Garrus broke out of that shell, him and Wrex, becoming much more interesting. And he didn't touch either character in ME2

Walters said he wrote Garrus in ME2, here...

http://popwatch.ew.c...-3-mac-walters/

I'd rather use his Jade Empire characters as examples of good writing. Garrus is too stagnant as a character, and rather one-dimensional.

[Rex Fallout]

The Night Mammoth wrote...

Yes, old news is old.

I respect him as a character writer.

Wouldn't know about his abilities as a plot writer since I have no idea what parts he actually wrote or was responsible for.

I believe, (correct me if I am wrong) he was lead writer, meaning he was responsible for the main overarching plot, (crucible, find EMS etc.) the very beginning mission and the End, everything from Cerberus base onwards.  

[ld1449]

And as for Mac walters being a good Char. writer.

He brought us Kai Leng.

Nough said.

I'm sure ME1 Garrus and Wrex are considered good for two reasons.

1 Peer review, drew was there and so was that other guy, the narrative director working on Halo 4 now. So I'm sure they looked at his stuff before putting it in the game.

And 2 Because they really had no competition outside of Tali.

Ashley got on half of the fanbases nerves with her racism.

Liara got on the other halfs nerves with her bookish naievete

and Kaiden? Please really. Kaiden?

The only one who could give them a run for their money was Tali. Which is why so many asked that she become romanceable.

[iSousek]

ld1449 wrote...

And as for Mac walters being a good Char. writer.

He brought us Kai Leng.

Nough said.

I'm sure ME1 Garrus and Wrex are considered good for two reasons.

1 Peer review, drew was there and so was that other guy, the narrative director working on Halo 4 now. So I'm sure they looked at his stuff before putting it in the game.

And 2 Because they really had no competition outside of Tali.

Ashley got on half of the fanbases nerves with her racism.

Liara got on the other halfs nerves with her bookish naievete

and Kaiden? Please really. Kaiden?

The only one who could give them a run for their money was Tali. Which is why so many asked that she become romanceable.

Completely disagree with that one. Tali was done horribly in ME 1. She was a walking Quarian encyclopedia. She would only talk about quarians, and never really about herself. Worst "written" character in ME 1 IMO. Thank god it improved drastically in ME 2/3

[What a Succulent Ass]

Tali and Garrus were ME1's shallowest characters, hence why they were written into ME2's squad.

Actually, I'd contend Ash and Kaidan were originally written as the tritagonists.

[Dark_Caduceus]

He's capable of writing a good (but not exceptional by any means) character. I don't think he's a terrible writer across the board, but a good deal of his writing tasks were pretty bad (case in point; Mass Effect 3 ending). Doing one thing relatively well in the past doesn't mean your future actions in the same field are all good.

[darthnick427]

Jade8aby88 wrote...

yes.

Being a good character writer =/= being a good plot writer.

true story

[Zooter]

I thought weekes wrote garrus in ME2 and jon wrote him in ME3.

[Raizo]

Yeah, I'm aware of that. Just for the record, even though I hate ME3 I have never, ever really blamed Casey Hudson, Mac walters or anyone else for ME3's short commings, I get why Bioware made ME3 the game that it is today, I just wish there was some acknowledgement that ME3 does not live up to expectations.

Jade8aby88 wrote...

yes.

Being a good character writer =/= being a good plot writer.

This is very true sadly.

[Seboist]

Random Jerkface wrote...

Tali and Garrus were ME1's shallowest characters, hence why they were written into ME2's squad.

Actually, I'd contend Ash and Kaidan were originally written as the tritagonists.

I'd say they were written into 2 for fan pandering reasons. The same with 3.

[Star fury]

Greylycantrope wrote...
Yeah Arrival showed what happens when he's given control of the plot. Seems obsessed with having Shepard committing actions on par with war criminals and pushing an ends justified the means mentality.

Pretty much. Yet again we don't have a choice considering biggest plot decision.
Garrus in ME1 wasn't that good compared to ME2&3.

[Dark_Caduceus]

Seboist wrote...

Random Jerkface wrote...

Tali and Garrus were ME1's shallowest characters, hence why they were written into ME2's squad.

Actually, I'd contend Ash and Kaidan were originally written as the tritagonists.

I'd say they were written into 2 for fan pandering reasons. The same with 3.

Probably not. The Virmire Choice was a central aspect to the first game and both characters were present from the start of the story. Tali was most likely included for fan pandering (along with that God awful romance).

[Raizo]

To follow up on my previous post I don't think Mac Walters was the best choice for lead writer in a series that was supposed to be about different choices. As a linear game ME3 has an okay storyline/plot. Shame most of us were expecting more.....

[clarkusdarkus]

D24O wrote...

clarkusdarkus wrote...

Maybe thats why i never chose garrus to be part of my team much,

Dont see the appeal myself, much preffered a krogan or samara

I'd take Samara too.

Samara's loyal mission with morinth was more entertaining than Garrus ever was in 3 games

bring back nihlus 

[What a Succulent Ass]

Dark_Caduceus wrote...

Seboist wrote...

Random Jerkface wrote...

Tali and Garrus were ME1's shallowest characters, hence why they were written into ME2's squad.

Actually, I'd contend Ash and Kaidan were originally written as the tritagonists.

I'd say they were written into 2 for fan pandering reasons. The same with 3.

Probably not. The Virmire Choice was a central aspect to the first game and both characters were present from the start of the story. Tali was most likely included for fan pandering (along with that God awful romance).

I'm pretty sure Sebo was referring to Tali and Garrus. I'd be inclined to agree, since the devs more or less confirmed it themselves. Playing ME1, it's fairly obvious Ash and Kaidan are the central characters.