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[D24O]

I started smoking b/c of TIM. He's my hero.

[AresKeith]

I heard there was a Narrative Director who watched over Drew and Mac during ME1 and ME2 so they wouldn't go overboard with the plot but he left and went to Halo 4

[ZackG312]

Garrus was never my favorite, he was a whiner in ME1 and then a wannabe Batman in ME2.

[Dark_Caduceus]

did you know that if Ernest Hemmingway wrote the ending to Mass Effect 3, it would suck regardless of prior achievements?

[tonnactus]

And Wrex. And Aria. And the Illusive Man.

[Ghost]

Fiery Phoenix wrote...

To clarify, Mac was responsible for ME1 Garrus. In ME2 and ME3, Garrus was Patrick Weekes' baby; Mac had nothing to do with Garrus after ME1.

In any case. I do agree he's a decent character writer. Not quite so when it comes to story and large-scale narrative design, as is clearly evidenced by the games.

Nope. Weekes did the normandy convo for Garrus. everything else in ME2 was Mac.

[What a Succulent Ass]

Random Jerkface wrote...

Dark_Caduceus wrote...

Seboist wrote...

Random Jerkface wrote...

Tali and Garrus were ME1's shallowest characters, hence why they were written into ME2's squad.

Actually, I'd contend Ash and Kaidan were originally written as the tritagonists.

I'd say they were written into 2 for fan pandering reasons. The same with 3.

Probably not. The Virmire Choice was a central aspect to the first game and both characters were present from the start of the story. Tali was most likely included for fan pandering (along with that God awful romance).

I'm pretty sure Sebo was referring to Tali and Garrus. I'd be inclined to agree, since the devs more or less confirmed it themselves. Playing ME1, it's fairly obvious Ash and Kaidan are the central characters.

I'm actually kind of curious about how the ME series would have been if the VS remained the deuteragonist.

[tonnactus]

Yate wrote...

I actually like the endings. And the plots of ME2 and ME3 .

Mass Effect 2 was a failed attempt to copy the dirty dozen. Just in space. Nothing original or good about it.

Modifié par tonnactus, 17 septembre 2012 - 10:25 .

[SlottsMachine]

Random Jerkface wrote...

I'm actually kind of curious about how the ME series would have been if the VS remained the deuteragonist.

An alternate world where they aren't treated as second rate by the writers, sounds interesting.

[RadicalDisconnect]

Cthulhu42 wrote...

ME1 Garrus was probably the worst-written character on the squad, honestly (and I say this as someone who romances him with all my FemSheps).

Except for Ashley and maybe Wrex, all the ME1 squadmates were much better-written in later ibstallments, actually.

Why so?

[Grubas]

tonnactus wrote...

Yate wrote...

I actually like the endings. And the plots of ME2 and ME3 .

Mass Effect 2 was a failed copy of the dirty dozen. Just in space. Nothing original or good about it.

Failed copy? lol.

You know what? LotR was just a failed copy of the book. Just on screen.  

[What a Succulent Ass]

General Slotts wrote...

Random Jerkface wrote...

I'm actually kind of curious about how the ME series would have been if the VS remained the deuteragonist.

An alternate world where they aren't treated as second rate by the writers, sounds interesting.

Sounds like heaven to me.

[-Skorpious-]

Yes I did. Mac is a decent character writer, but he fails at creating a solid, compelling narrative. This is why I don't think Mac needs to be fired, but simply shifted to a position that plays more to his strengths.

[Gemini1179]

It's not "What have you done?" it's "What have you done lately?"

It sucks, but that's how it is in books, movies and videogames and just about every other creative industry.

[Cainne Chapel]

I think its basically because people suffer from "What if" syndrome quite a bit on the BSN.

What if ME2 had been different? What If ME1 was designed better? and so on and so forth.

Granted I like Mac (and drew K despite some of my paast posts) but I think people are too quick to lay blame and not look at the good most have done (yes even Casey).

Was the ending great? No, but it takes far more than one stumble for me to hate on a guy (or a team) that brought me a great series as a whole. and frankly everyone is capable of a bad day or story

But to some its the destination not the journey so *shrug*

[spirosz]

Cainne Chapel wrote...

I think its basically because people suffer from "What if" syndrome quite a bit on the BSN.

What if ME2 had been different? What If ME1 was designed better? and so on and so forth.

Granted I like Mac (and drew K despite some of my paast posts) but I think people are too quick to lay blame and not look at the good most have done (yes even Casey).

Was the ending great? No, but it takes far more than one stumble for me to hate on a guy (or a team) that brought me a great series as a whole. and frankly everyone is capable of a bad day or story

But to some its the destination not the journey so *shrug*

Bad day or story? They had how many years to at least create a somewhat sketchy guideline at best of what was going to be portrayed for the trilogy.  I blame the development period, one more year and I'm positive that the game would of been glorious. 

[FlamingBoy]

tonnactus wrote...

Yate wrote...

I actually like the endings. And the plots of ME2 and ME3 .

Mass Effect 2 was a failed attempt to copy the dirty dozen. Just in space. Nothing original or good about it.

dirty dozen and me2 were more of a rip off of seven samurai, so while dirty dozen was good it was hardly orginal

[Sailears]

Twinzam.V wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

TIM was my favorite character, Jerkface.

He had style like a Bond villain, cunning as Lex luthor and the brains of Prof. Moriarty. 
Then he just degraded to.... MUAHAHAHAHAH.

I thought MUAHAHAHAHAH was Harbinger's tagline.

[The Spamming Troll]

Cainne Chapel wrote...

I think its basically because people suffer from "What if" syndrome quite a bit on the BSN.

What if ME2 had been different? What If ME1 was designed better? and so on and so forth.

Granted I like Mac (and drew K despite some of my paast posts) but I think people are too quick to lay blame and not look at the good most have done (yes even Casey).

Was the ending great? No, but it takes far more than one stumble for me to hate on a guy (or a team) that brought me a great series as a whole. and frankly everyone is capable of a bad day or story

But to some its the destination not the journey so *shrug*

what about those people that think ME1 is the only good game biowares ever made adn the rest of them are boring as all hell?

in my opinion, bioware sucks. they simply got lucky with ME1.

[Shinobu]

I wrote Mac Walters a postcard thanking him for Garrus. I hate the ending as much as the next person but will give credit where it is due.

[20x6]

Deadlysyns wrote...

Stick to what your good at sorry but its true if your good at writing Characters write Characters not Plots

I strongly disagree with this statement.  I was good at riding my bike... I guess I should never have started driving a car.
Maybe he should have wrote a plot for another franchise though... not the 3rd and final installment to an epic like Mass Effect.

[Khajiit Jzargo]

This is very incorrect, Mac Walters only wrote ME1 Garrus, not ME2 or ME3.
Please, get that straight.

[TrueMalice]

spirosz wrote...

Cainne Chapel wrote...

I think its basically because people suffer from "What if" syndrome quite a bit on the BSN.

What if ME2 had been different? What If ME1 was designed better? and so on and so forth.

Granted I like Mac (and drew K despite some of my paast posts) but I think people are too quick to lay blame and not look at the good most have done (yes even Casey).

Was the ending great? No, but it takes far more than one stumble for me to hate on a guy (or a team) that brought me a great series as a whole. and frankly everyone is capable of a bad day or story

But to some its the destination not the journey so *shrug*

Bad day or story? They had how many years to at least create a somewhat sketchy guideline at best of what was going to be portrayed for the trilogy.  I blame the development period, one more year and I'm positive that the game would of been glorious. 

Agreed. Had they gotten another extension we would have had the glorious game we all wanted.

However, I can't imagine how much people would have whined over having to wait.

[RadicalDisconnect]

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

This is very incorrect, Mac Walters only wrote ME1 Garrus, not ME2 or ME3.
Please, get that straight.

I'm going by this interview.

http://popwatch.ew.c...-3-mac-walters/ 

Walters: "Having written Garrus in the first game, that’s a character I’ve always followed. I wrote him as well in the second game, but then handed him off in Mass Effect 3."

[nos_astra]

Not surprising that one of the most shallow and boring characters is his doing.