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[Zenon]

Shavon wrote...

I have ME2 pre-ordered, and I love DA:O so much, I can't pick between the games, as to which is my favorite, so I'll go with the game that brought me to Bioware, Jade Empire

If you have at least a faint fondness of Star Wars, try SW Knights of the Old Republic.

[The Angry One]

How people forget that Mass Effect itself was hyped to extremes too.
Remember the "distress call" trailer for ME1? Depicting the kind of hardcore, hard choice situation that.. never happened in the actual game. At all. Ever.

Don't be surprised if the same happens with ME2. It's just how the world works, developer intentions are always far above what they can actually achieve in a given time frame.

Modifié par The Angry One, 26 décembre 2009 - 11:02 .

[AntiChri5]

The Angry One wrote...

How people forget that Mass Effect itself was hyped to extremes too.
Remember the "distress call" trailer for ME1? Depicting the kind of hardcore, hard choice situation that.. never happened in the actual game. At all. Ever.

Don't be surprised if the same happens with ME2. It's just how the world works, developer intentions are always far above what they can actually achieve in a given time frame.

Much better if they set great goals than if they just aimed at what they new they could do.

[fairandbalancedfan]

Comparing Dragon Age to Mass Effect

IN A DA:O FORUM

Yes you will get objective responses from diehard fantasy fans and anti shooter fanatics on this comparison.

[XOGHunter246]

I know they are different types of games but adding more dialog would be nice on missions as long as it doesn't mean Bioware will think less about the combat. It's like some points in ME1 allies don't even reply when you talk to them lol.

Modifié par XOGHunter246, 27 décembre 2009 - 12:14 .

[Joshd21]

The only thing I found to be a disspoint when I bought a copy of Mass Effect 1 today. Was the lack of results, my background and choices had. I will explain,

1. Mass Effect 1= Only have 3 seperate answers you can pick from and no matter what you say it always seem like the storyline in going in one direction which you couldn't change a bigger impact like in Dragon Age.

.2 Star Wars Knights of Old Repbulic- very similar to Mass Effect one in the choices. However in Star Wars your actions and what you said started to carry more weight then in mass Effect 1.

3. Star Wars 2, was a huge let down in terms of graphics but the choices and adventure was fun. It just seemed like they were less focusing on choices/results and more on action adventure

Since Dragon Age Orgins came out first, I am blown out and perhaps a little spoiled because I have a new bar to hold games too that was not created before. I hope Mass Effect has everything Dragon Age had since it's part 2 and they are made by the same company.

I will be buying it for only the NPC convo aspect of the game. I don't know the whole plot but I assume the storyline will tell me that. Only time will tell, I saved myself a nightmare by not buying Divinity 2 which I heard was a bad game

[Neotribe]

Mass Effect is KOTOR3 without royalties. KOTOR was a good game. ME was a good game. KOTOR2 was a wreck, because it's developers dropped the ball.

DAO is NWN3 without the royalties, and more gameplay and interface concepts/mechanics brought over from the KOTOR/ME side because they could, having made the split from D&D/WOTC. DAO's ancestors are the Aurora and Infinity Engine games, and the TSR/SSI Gold Box before them.

Now get off my lawn, you damn kids.

/brandishes 5.25" floppy drive threateningly

Modifié par Neotribe, 27 décembre 2009 - 12:23 .

[LynxAQ]

I will stick with DA, I am not a fan of futuristic space things. Never have been and never will be.

[Jman5]

I liked how the character actually spoke in Mass Effect. However, the dialogue options were so much more hilarious in Dragon Age. I just wonder if you could translate these funny lines in dragon age to be spoken without sounding weird. Sometimes things are more humorous if you read them.



Dwarf at Tapster: You looking for a stool to share your brew?

Me: You looking for a fist to share your face?

[Joshd21]

I wasn't really a huge star wars fan. However the entire choices aspect turned me on to it, Dragon Age was something I was into for sake of theme itself now combined that with "Bioware Touch" made it nearly a wet dream for me.

As for Mass Effect I'm not really into the whole shooter game, however if there is a chance there is a thick plot with choices and a good story behind it. Then I will pre order the game at gamestop dot com today. However this game I think was pushed back because of Dragon Age

I have nothing to support this claim but from articles I read, the Mass Effect 2 was supposed to be released before New Years. However we won't know untill we have the game. But at Game Stop dot com, there is a trailor with the warning

Blood
Drug Reference
Sexual Content
Strong Language
Violence


For Mass Effect 2, so I think we will see some nuduity and foul language along with lots of violence. What more could a person want. Jan 26 canno't come soon enough

Modifié par Joshd21, 27 décembre 2009 - 12:58 .

[Taritu]

I prefered ME. I like them both, mind you, but I loved Fem Shep -- that was the main difference, I think. The voice acting on her was so strong that I had a real sense of who my character was right off the bat. One of the few female actresses who ever sounded like she really was a military officer -- in fact she sounded more like one than the male Shep. I fell in love right at the beginning when I had her tell Joker and Kaidan to act like soldiers.

Definitely looking forward to ME2, I just need to find time do a playthrough on ME1 where I don't romance anyone so I can have a guiltfree romance in ME2.

Modifié par Taritu, 27 décembre 2009 - 01:39 .

[The Angry One]

I officially became a Jennifer Hale fangirl after Mass Effect.
I had already liked her work in KotOR and Metal Gear Solid but kinda thought she was stuck in a sultry English girl role (and the less said about her 12-year-old girlish roles in certain Japanese games like Grandia II the better) but FemShep blew me away.
She's so consistently with it, especially with the renegade style dialog. It's always a shame to me that the dull APE default character with the monotone voice gets the cover art, the trailers and the preview vids, because Hale *is* Shepard, you hear me!!

Modifié par The Angry One, 27 décembre 2009 - 01:48 .

[AntiChri5]

all shepards are equal

[The Angry One]

AntiChri5 wrote...

all shepards are equal

However, some Shepards are more equal than others.

Like I said, fangirl.
I don't have anything against ManShep really. I just find Mark Meers rather dull, and Hale brilliant. Just my opinion of course.
What I utterly can't stand it the default character plastered all over Mass Effect's media. Words can't describe how I utterly LOATHE that face, it's one of those faces I just want to punch over and over till all that's left is a bloody head sized meatball.
Or to put it another way, when I think "tough space marine" the first thing to come to mind is not "prancing Dutch male model from the 1980's".

Modifié par The Angry One, 27 décembre 2009 - 01:56 .

[Basher of Glory]

When I played DA:O for the first time I was really delighted, when I saw

"game time 83:05 (hours!); content explored 51%" or the like.



In the last years it was for me always hard to accept, when a game ended after 20 - 40 hours. This was also my only complaint about ME 1.



I hope, that BioWare intended to set an example for future game times, at least for the RPG-genre. Thus, ME 2 would certainly be close to perfect, if we receive again a 100+ hours game.



Perhaps the "good old days" of Ultima VII (200+ hours for me) and Wizardry VII (3 months for me lol) return?

[Joshd21]

Here are some interesting things I found, the more I play Mass Effect one. More I noticed little things

1) Similar lines

If you play Dragon Age, one of the ghouls says This one wants to see the world, this one while playing in Mass Effect if you go to the merchent. An alien he says This One

2.) Star Wars, Knights of Old Republic

The voice of the male rebel you meet when you land in Star Wars Knights of Old Republic 1, sounds exactly like the voice of the male Companion you meet in Mass Effect One. I think they used similar voice actors

I believe that Mass Effect, was intended to be Star Wars 3, but something happpended and the outline project was already done they just reworked the storyline.

In Mass Effect, also you can pick an option to say "No way" and you will actually hear him say it, but in his own words. In Dragon Age Orgin's, you don't hear yourself when you speak to others.

Also I can tell they learned from Mass Effect because it's strangerly hard to find plot givers on the map. I had to run around the entire place before I found plot line, In Dragon Age the map is larger and more outlined.

I find Dragon Age Orgins to be more cutting edge, deeper plot storyline and very good on graphics and my basic summary. I am really hoping for this Mass Effect 2 to be exactly like Dragon Age Orgins in terms of talking or I will be disspointed they are not taking advantage of a great system

Modifié par Joshd21, 27 décembre 2009 - 02:32 .

[Zcorck]

Joshd21 wrote...

Here are some interesting things I found, the more I play Mass Effect one. More I noticed little things

1) Similar lines

If you play Dragon Age, one of the ghouls says This one wants to see the world, this one while playing in Mass Effect if you go to the merchent. An alien he says This One

2.) Star Wars, Knights of Old Republic

The voice of the male rebel you meet when you land in Star Wars Knights of Old Republic 1, sounds exactly like the voice of the male Companion you meet in Mass Effect One. I think they used similar voice actors

I believe that Mass Effect, was intended to be Star Wars 3, but something happpended and the outline project was already done they just reworked the storyline.

In Mass Effect, also you can pick an option to say "No way" and you will actually hear him say it, but in his own words. In Dragon Age Orgin's, you don't hear yourself when you speak to others.

Also I can tell they learned from Mass Effect because it's strangerly hard to find plot givers on the map. I had to run around the entire place before I found plot line, In Dragon Age the map is larger and more outlined.

I find Dragon Age Orgins to be more cutting edge, deeper plot storyline and very good on graphics and my basic summary. I am really hoping for this Mass Effect 2 to be exactly like Dragon Age Orgins in terms of talking or I will be disspointed they are not taking advantage of a great system

Both ME and DA:O were created because Bioware wanted to go their own way so DnD and whatnot couldn't tell them what they were and what they weren't allowed to do.
Considering that ME was released 2 years before Dragon Age it would be  kinda sad if they hadn't learned about what worked and what didn't and what they could implement to Dragon Age.

Mass Effect 2 will have the same dialogue system as its predecessor.

Hearing your own character speak is kinda refreshing as opposed to just picking a line and then hearing the other other person, but tbh Mark Meer's voice is kinda meh as opposed to the voice of Jennifer Hale.

[fairandbalancedfan]

I will stick with DA, I am not a fan of futuristic space things. Never have been and never will be

Yes you will get objective responses from diehard fantasy fans and anti shooter fanatics on this comparison.

My prediction, it is coming true. Now for the anti shooter bit.

[fairandbalancedfan]

Joshd21 wrote...

I believe that Mass Effect, was intended to be Star Wars 3

Yes, something did happen. It's called being better than Star Wars universe.

I find Dragon Age Orgins to be more cutting edge, deeper plot storyline
and very good on graphics and my basic summary. I am really hoping for
this Mass Effect 2 to be exactly like Dragon Age Orgins in terms of
talking or I will be disspointed they are not taking advantage of a
great system

Sorry, but I refuse to accept that Dragon Age had better graphics. ME had the better graphics and it was obvious. Also Dragon Age storyline is pretty good yes. But it is still a traditional Fantasy done well. As I said before, many people on here love their fantasy, but it is not fare because many of the Sci-Fi lovers are still on the ME froums. ME represents something unique, because it is not Bioware's usual fantasy stuff.

Modifié par fairandbalancedfan, 27 décembre 2009 - 04:29 .

[Joshd21]

fairandbalancedfan wrote...

Joshd21 wrote...

I believe that Mass Effect, was intended to be Star Wars 3

Yes, something did happen. It's called being better than Star Wars universe.

That is certaintly your point of view. However, I think it's native to think you can compare Mass Effect to the 6 movies, epic mmo swtor and label Mass Effect as being "Better"  Frankly, I don't like you're tone. It's sort of rude tone I get when I interacted with players of world of warcraft.

I like to think players of Dragon Age and it's community have a bit more class then that. Because it takes actual thought, to apperciate what you are getting out of a video game, and its diagole as against slashing two buttons over and over in warcraft for hours.

However that's your point of view but I respectfulley disagree. I am starting to look at NeverwinterNight's as something to buy. When it first came out, I thought it was just an unknown wanna be warcraft MMO. However more I read into it, more I am enjoying it.

I find that it's actually a single player RP game but you can connect with your friends on some servers. That you can be good or evil. If anyone has any insight to offer to Neverwinter night's and about the diagloe I would certaintly like to hear it.

[fairandbalancedfan]

Joshd21 wrote...

I find that it's actually a single player RP game but you can connect with your friends on some servers. That you can be good or evil. If anyone has any insight to offer to Neverwinter night's and about the diagloe I would certaintly like to hear it.

Look for my response above, I edited to give you a more in depth analysis And I didn't mean to be rude, I just shortened my words. I believe Mass Effect do have a better world than Star Wars because the world in Star Wars is a fairy tale world with clear cut good and evil. Star Wars is pure escapist fantasy and it's a good one. As I said before, there are not many ME fans here. They will be able to articulate their defense of their game better than I do. But I will say this, ME to me was a good game because it signalled from Bioware's part to do something different. And once again I didn't meant be rude. Sorry.

[Joshd21]

fairandbalancedfan wrote...

Joshd21 wrote...

I find that it's actually a single player RP game but you can connect with your friends on some servers. That you can be good or evil. If anyone has any insight to offer to Neverwinter night's and about the diagloe I would certaintly like to hear it.

Look for my response above, I edited to give you a more in depth analysis And I didn't mean to be rude, I just shortened my words. I believe Mass Effect do have a better world than Star Wars because the world in Star Wars is a fairy tale world with clear cut good and evil. Star Wars is pure escapist fantasy and it's a good one. As I said before, there are not many ME fans here. They will be able to articulate their defense of their game better than I do. But I will say this, ME to me was a good game because it signalled from Bioware's part to do something different. And once again I didn't meant be rude. Sorry.

I made my post before I saw your edited post. Now that you have made your intentions clear, I can see I misread that the wrong way and for that I am sorry. However you are correct in a sense, Sith are labeled as Bad and Jedi are the good ones. You clearly know "The dark side' as being evil.

However with being in a game with everything is not so black and white it would be a little more harder. I find star wars to be an excellent game and Mass Effect is better in ways of being on it's own and not being able to detect whos evil. Though I personally still perfer star wars

Not because of you can see whos evil or bad, but the story BEHIND that. How sith name was created, how Jedi name was created everything combined that makes an interesting story. Though I thank you for your input.

Everyone has different thoughts, some see glass half empty and others see it half full. Which is why Bioware's choice options are great because no one has the same mind and we all react differently. But thank you for saying sorry.

[Lord Phoebus]

I'm skipping ME 2, I didn't care for the writing in ME, it was way too cliched. It felt like they went through 80's action movies taking one liners and strung the dialogue together from that.

I also didn't care for the gameplay. I dislike action RPGs but, putting that aside, I do play FPS games and the FPS combat was horrible in ME. It was way too easy even on the hardest difficulty level (which they locked away as a bloody achievement). There are some who would say it's not an FPS it's an RPG, so it can be excused, but if you're going to make a game with FPS combat the gameplay should be comparable to other games in that genre, regardless of whatever else they put in the game.

Imho ME was the worst offering by Bioware by far.

Modifié par Lord Phoebus, 27 décembre 2009 - 06:34 .

[Zcorck]

Lord Phoebus wrote...

I'm skipping ME 2, I didn't care for the writing in ME, it was way too cliched. It felt like they went through 80's action movies taking one liners and strung the dialogue together from that.

I also didn't care for the gameplay. I dislike action RPGs but, putting that aside, I do play FPS games and the FPS combat was horrible in ME. It was way too easy even on the hardest difficulty level (which they locked away as a bloody achievement). There are some who would say it's not an FPS it's an RPG, so it can be excused, but if you're going to make a game with FPS combat the gameplay should be comparable to other games in that genre, regardless of whatever else they put in the game.

Imho ME was the worst offering by Bioware by far.

You're certainly entitled to that opinion, but considering that they've made a lot of modification to the combat system due to people saying how much it needed improvement (like the Mako) you could at least check out the gameplay trailers.
Mass Effect is a cross between both genres, and it's TPS not FPS. Considering that shooter games aren't exactly something Bioware have done a lot of work in I'm willing to give them the benefit of the doubt for the sequel, considering that the first game was a model they created and therefore it allowed them to react to the criticism it received and thereby improve upon it.