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[Beerfish]

Templar/Mage confilct - public opinion on these forums and even the writing in some of the books has come down on the 'big bad, oppresive, terrible templars vs the poor misunderstood mages.'  I do not want to be railroaded into a pro mage story.

Chantry - public opinion on these forums for the most part seems to be very anti chantry.  Please do not railroad me into an anti Chantry story line.

Quanri - public opinion on these forums for the most part indicates that the Qunari are a deep, misunderstood people, with a cool Zen like society and strongly held beliefs.  Please do not railorad into me supporting and or working with them in any way as I see them and their leaders as massive frauds.

Thanks!  

[Welsh Inferno]

Goes without saying really.

[Darth Death]

Agreed.

[Renmiri1]

Disagreed. Boo Templars, Yay Mages

Actually.. Do it nuanced. You guys are masters on that ^^

[ADeadDiehard]

Agreed. I don't want the writers to make assumptions about what the player wants, especially regarding the Qunari.

[King Cousland]

Generally agreed, but they've created a situation in which they can only really have a one size fits all ending. I don't necessarily have a problem with that this time as long as we can affect how it goes down. 

[Allan Schumacher]

Moving to DA3 boards.

[eroeru]

Neutral path needs to be in place. And paths where you supported or bashed the chantry because of vastly differing intentions (role-play firendlyness would be the solution).

Some of these intentions could include a self-serving attitude, a feeling of sympathy towards certain characters in those factions etc. Main protagonist's goals and mind-set need to be a blur, for the player to decide in this.

[Ashbery]

It generally matches what the left wing writers want.

[Elhanan]

Yes; I like seeing all aspects displayed on all sides in this possible conflict. Stories seem richer when not typed into roles for me.

I much prefer the historical narrative of Band of Brothers over that of Schindler's List, as an example. And the way both sides of the conflict in We Were Soldiers makes this my favorite film on that war.

[OMTING52601]

Agreed a thousand times over. Regardless of whether there were more or less decisions in DA 2 than in origins, I always felt like I had more options in Origins. Also, I want to note that I would likely not take any of those roads, but after DA 2 (where no matter what I did or who I sided with everything turned out the same way - meaning my affect on the game was zero because the story was already decided and it was going to happen x way, period) I don't think I could put money out for another 'play along story' guided by BW. The point of an RPG is that I decide the story, or it should be, IMO. FWIW.

[earlmobile]

Personally i'd love to smash the chantry with my qunari allies. But your right about the railroading. I wouldn't like it to be all about one conflict like in DA2. Ideally bring back the templar/mage conflict, the qunari expansion, tevinter power plays, elven rebellion and whatnot and give the player free hand how to resolve the conflicts while preparing for the real bigger threat (whatever that'll be). In my opinion that worked very well in ME 3 (i.e. genophage, quarian/geth) and DA:O (werewolves/elves, templar/mages).

[highcastle]

I'd prefer not to be railroaded in either direction. There's plenty of evidence in the past games that the Chantry and templars are corrupt. I don't want to be forced to play a character who supports them. At least not for the whole game. A character who starts out in support and then makes up their own mind based on events of the game, cool. But a character who has to follow the whims of the Chantry blindly? Not cool.

Gaider said before he tried to create a case for the templars in DA2, but it failed IMO. While there were blood mages aplenty in Kirkwall, the templars' actions were almost always extreme. You had Meredith sending for the Right of Annulment just because Orsino dared to suggest she let the city appoint a viscount. You had Alrik conceiving of a grand plan to make all mages tranquil so he could commit sexual abuses against them. It was even called the Tranquil Solution in reference perhaps to the Final Solution. It doesn't matter that it wasn't adopted writ large, because no one did anything to reprimand the order for conceiving of it to begin with. Elthina tolerated countless abuses and thus supported the oppressors.

Nothing the Circle did as a collective really warranted that sort of action. Or inaction in Elthina's case. I bring this up because there are mentions of people wanting nuance. So do I. But if the templars were supposed to be somewhat sympathetic or justified in DA2, it doesn't seem all that successful. If the goal now is to make the Chantry sympathetic, how far will it succeed in light of past evidence from previous games?

[EssEeeEcks]

Ashbery wrote...

It generally matches what the left wing writers want.

What?

[Beerfish]

Ashbery wrote...

It generally matches what the left wing writers want.

I'm a left winger and the general bent of the way things are going is against what I wish for in DA3 so I don't really hold for that.

[GreyLycanTrope]

Ashbery wrote...

It generally matches what the left wing writers want.

That's were you want to take this? Really?

[twincast]

Gu~ys, one does not engage the trolls.

[RinpocheSchnozberry]

Good post. I personally hate the entire philosophy of the qunari and I despise working with them. I don't feel bad for people who make themselves slaves. My biggest frustration in DA2 was not being able to tell that little **** princeling that he was about to get stabbed in the face for supporting the qun. I hope there's no requirement to like those buggers in DA3!

[Mr.House]

Agreed OP, also I hope the writers do a better job with portraying mages and templars in DA3. The portrayal in DAO was pretty good, but in DA2 it was just plain horrible

[LinksOcarina]

Good luck.

You know some parts will be bottlenecked like this so they can tell a story. I guess it just depends on how its told. I doubt it will be full on positive for either Mages/Templars though, same with the Qunari and the Chantry.

[MisterJB]

I wholeheartedly agree with the OP.

[hexaligned]

The series could use some more shades of grey, for certain. I thought the Qunari were handled well in DA2, the mages and templars just fell flat to me though, in the sense they all seemed to be one dimensional caricatures.

As far as a branching plot structure.  I can see pro's and con's.  The danger you run into is with a significantly shorter main campaign.

Modifié par relhart, 17 septembre 2012 - 11:24 .