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[TheBlackAdder13]

BasilKarlo wrote...

I'm quickly losing faith and interest. The theory that they can't reveal the game because it's next-gen holds no water. Watchdogs was revealed last summer and that's next-gen. And Sony just unveiled their next-gen console, so what's Bioware waiting for then? Saying that PAX is too early to show anything pretty much cements my fears that development is way behind schedule and possibly not going well. I want the game to be good, but at this point I have no reason to be hopeful.

Oh for pete's sake, the devs have constantly reassured us that they're perfectly on schedule. So, unless you think they're outright lying, this is basically a conspiracy theory. 

As they've said, their reasons for revealing the game so late are that they don't want to present it publicly until they have all it the functions that they want to present set in stone and probably more than set in stone -- they want it to look amazing to make the best first impression. They're been perfectly clear and transparent about their reasons why. And it's smart. After the (justifable) backlash from DA 2 it would be foolish to release something that people could find even minor flaws in. 

I swear, people read into every minute thing Bioware devs say but when they convenintently ignore things that contradict their predetermined perceptions. 

ETA: And even if we accept your baseless premise that they're behind schedule because they're having problems, isn't it good that they're not releasing information on account of delaying the game? Delaying the game means they have more time to work on it to overcome those problems and make a good game. 

Modifié par TheBlackAdder13, 23 février 2013 - 03:36 .

[Bryy_Miller]

BasilKarlo wrote...

I'm quickly losing faith and interest. The theory that they can't reveal the game because it's next-gen holds no water. Watchdogs was revealed last summer and that's next-gen. And Sony just unveiled their next-gen console, so what's Bioware waiting for then? Saying that PAX is too early to show anything pretty much cements my fears that development is way behind schedule and possibly not going well. I want the game to be good, but at this point I have no reason to be hopeful.

EA isn't Ubisoft. 

Case closed.

Although, the possibility of no DA3 at SDCC makes me a sad panda.

[GithCheater]

The good news is that I do not need to worry about missing a DA3 Panel because I arrive belatedly at PAX East on late saturday afternoon. However, I do look forward to hearing from Evil Chris about Bioware's plans at PAX East.

[ElitePinecone]

Bryy_Miller wrote...

Although, the possibility of no DA3 at SDCC makes me a sad panda.

It looks like Bioware are sending DA3 developers to PAX Australia, and that's being held literally on the same weekend as SDCC in July.

I really doubt the games will still be under wraps at that time. so if Bioware does have a presence at SDCC I'd tend to think they'll talk about the game then.  

[Steppenwolf]

TheBlackAdder13 wrote...

BasilKarlo wrote...

I'm quickly losing faith and interest. The theory that they can't reveal the game because it's next-gen holds no water. Watchdogs was revealed last summer and that's next-gen. And Sony just unveiled their next-gen console, so what's Bioware waiting for then? Saying that PAX is too early to show anything pretty much cements my fears that development is way behind schedule and possibly not going well. I want the game to be good, but at this point I have no reason to be hopeful.

Oh for pete's sake, the devs have constantly reassured us that they're perfectly on schedule. So, unless you think they're outright lying, this is basically a conspiracy theory.

It wouldn't be the first time. They lie all the time about leaks(see:every ME3 MP DLC). Why should this be any different? Maintaining appearances for the development of one of their 3 major franchises is important financially. If they came out and said "Yes, we're running behind schedule and aren't yet at a stage where we can even show you screenshots or polish up enough gameplay to make a 30-second video." the company would look less than stellar.

TheBlackAdder13 wrote...
As they've said, their reasons for revealing the game so late are that they don't want to present it publicly until they have all it the functions that they want to present set in stone and probably more than set in stone -- they want it to look amazing to make the best first impression. They're been perfectly clear and transparent about their reasons why. And it's smart. After the (justifable) backlash from DA 2 it would be foolish to release something that people could find even minor flaws in. 

I swear, people read into every minute thing Bioware devs say but when they convenintently ignore things that contradict their predetermined perceptions. 

ETA: And even if we accept your baseless premise that they're behind schedule because they're having problems, isn't it good that they're not releasing information on account of delaying the game? Delaying the game means they have more time to work on it to overcome those problems and make a good game.

Building hype is important for sales. Getting material out there is important for sales. Marketing is important for sales. Your argument is basically "They're waiting until the game is done." That's not how it works. There are games that aren't even slotted for 2013 that have footage, screenshots, and gameplay information out there. When AAA games are being made, people work separately on making polished material for promotion way before the whole game itself is nearing a presentable state. If this game were coming out Fall/Winter 2013 there would have been some polished footage or screenshots already to reveal the game to start taking pre-orders. 8-9 months out from release of a AAA game is not the time for everything to still be in flux and not presentable.

[karushna5]

I believe it is presentable, and really most people who are not avid fans really sit up and take notice 2 months beforehand. They are waiting and from as far as I can tell, they felt that maybes were made into facts and are waiting til most of it is done before presenting it and answering our questions.

[ElitePinecone]

BasilKarlo wrote...
 If this game were coming out Fall/Winter 2013 there would have been some polished footage or screenshots already to reveal the game to start taking pre-orders. 8-9 months out from release of a AAA game is not the time for everything to still be in flux and not presentable.

What?

There are half a dozen AAA games - the biggest AAA games, actually - presumed for release at the end of 2013 that haven't even been announced yet, and probably won't be for months still. EA's Battlefield entry, CoD, the next Assassin's Creed, a new FIFA, exclusive launch titles for both next-gen consoles, *new IP*. 

BasilKarlo wrote...
Maintaining appearances for the development of one of their 3 major franchises is important financially. If they came out and said "Yes, we're running behind schedule and aren't yet at a stage where we can even show you screenshots or polish up enough gameplay to make a 30-second video." the company would look less than stellar.

This is ludicrous.

EA is a publicly-listed company. If the game were delayed, EA would need to notify investors - it's the sort of thing that affects profit forecasts and earnings calculations. 

Also where did you ever get the impression that the game's lack of marketing has anything to do with its state of completion? A quote would be nice.

[Steppenwolf]

ElitePinecone wrote...

BasilKarlo wrote...
 If this game were coming out Fall/Winter 2013 there would have been some polished footage or screenshots already to reveal the game to start taking pre-orders. 8-9 months out from release of a AAA game is not the time for everything to still be in flux and not presentable.

What?

There are half a dozen AAA games - the biggest AAA games, actually - presumed for release at the end of 2013 that haven't even been announced yet, and probably won't be for months still. EA's Battlefield entry, CoD, the next Assassin's Creed, a new FIFA, exclusive launch titles for both next-gen consoles, *new IP*.

Battlefield 4 releasing calendar 2013 is a rumor, Assassin's Creed 4 or whatever releasing 2013 isn't even a rumor afaik, CoD drops every year and doesn't need to build hype to collect pre-orders(and details about MW4 have been trickling out for months with a trailer expected very soon), sports games drop every year, and you can't cite games that you don't even know of as proof of something.

ElitePinecone wrote...

BasilKarlo wrote...
Maintaining appearances for the development of one of their 3 major franchises is important financially. If they came out and said "Yes, we're running behind schedule and aren't yet at a stage where we can even show you screenshots or polish up enough gameplay to make a 30-second video." the company would look less than stellar.

This is ludicrous.

EA is a publicly-listed company. If the game were delayed, EA would need to notify investors - it's the sort of thing that affects profit forecasts and earnings calculations. 

Also where did you ever get the impression that the game's lack of marketing has anything to do with its state of completion? A quote would be nice.

They don't have to announce a delay until they feel like it. If someone at Bioware says "We're runnign behind schedule, doesn't look like we're going to hit calendar 2013" 9 months before the planned launch EA doesn't issue a statement and rework their quarterlies right then and there.

Oh, and the devs constantly saying that they'll show off the game when it's ready is where I got that impression.

Modifié par BasilKarlo, 23 février 2013 - 07:18 .

[Kidd]

BasilKarlo wrote...

I'm quickly losing faith and interest. The theory that they can't reveal the game because it's next-gen holds no water. Watchdogs was revealed last summer and that's next-gen. And Sony just unveiled their next-gen console, so what's Bioware waiting for then? Saying that PAX is too early to show anything pretty much cements my fears that development is way behind schedule and possibly not going well. I want the game to be good, but at this point I have no reason to be hopeful.

My theory of all EA games being kept for Microsoft's press conference is still going strong. It relies heavily on us not having a single show of any EA games during the Sony keynote.

I know a lot of people here think DA3 wouldn't be something to hype up a new console with. I don't feel the need to argue this opinion, but if Microsoft thinks any EA games are worth of having at the event (imho a likely story) then paying for their silence still makes sense.

'sides, Watchdogs is a current platform game. It will just have a next-gen port available. Chances are DA3 is purely next-gen; we don't know which platforms it will be on.

[Danny Boy 7]

@BasilKarlo I think you're reading a bit into this though. The game was in alpha just before Christmas and regardless of that we can't be sure what the Dragon Age marketing team is up to. They said the earliest we'd hear anything is Spring. It's not even technically here yet.

But beyond that, they could be waiting for a good six month push. They might even be recording more and more in an attempt to blow our socks off. Who knows? It's a bit early to make a call though one way or the other.

Modifié par Danny Boy 7, 23 février 2013 - 08:50 .

[Fredward]

God people just take the smallest thing to go all Chicken Little on us. First it's "take your time Bioware the longer you take the better the game will be! Take FOREVER! Take CENTURIES! Take double infinity!" Now they're being quiet (like they said they were going to be) and people are flailing in panic. Get a grip folks.

Though I won't lie. I am a smidgeon disappointed. Even if it's illogical. xp

[serenai]

Mike Laidlaw:
Worth noting that the DAIII editor/localization meetings look pretty fun. Would not normally have expected that much giggling.

Cameron Lee:
Last bottle of Skulls shiraz, reviewing DA3 docs and a smoke. Strangely an enjoyable Friday night!

[Danny Boy 7]

Oooh I might get a tweet before people

David Gaider said
@SubitoAllegra @Mike_Laidlaw @tasmen I'm not going to PAX this year. No freakum dresses for me.

[Cirram55]

I don't really see where the issue lies. If they're late in development then they're taking their time. Nothing wrong with that, right?
If they're right in track - as I think they are: they already have several playable portions of the game -, they're just holding off any info. Who's to say an AAA game needs at least 9 months of marketing?
Many developers have repeatedly said that the marketing team holds authority for this kind of decisions and that they have no say in any of that.

As Foopydoopydoo said, get a grip. If one's losing interest in the game just because tha wait is unbearable, then there's little Bioware can do. The game is (supposedly) still being released late this year, whether we have info of any sort.

[Seiryaria]

Cirram55 wrote...

I don't really see where the issue lies. If they're late in development then they're taking their time. Nothing wrong with that, right?
If they're right in track - as I think they are: they already have several playable portions of the game -, they're just holding off any info. Who's to say an AAA game needs at least 9 months of marketing?
Many developers have repeatedly said that the marketing team holds authority for this kind of decisions and that they have no say in any of that.

As Foopydoopydoo said, get a grip. If one's losing interest in the game just because tha wait is unbearable, then there's little Bioware can do. The game is (supposedly) still being released late this year, whether we have info of any sort.

couldn't agree more with what you said!
of course,on the one hand, it's too bad that there won't be any info revealed at PAX but well, not much we can do about it. and on the other hand, I'm actually kinda glad. while previews might hype us up and clear up some stuff we've been speculating about, I think it's more fun to just keep on speculating and then when we're about to be able to play the game for real, are actually getting to know what the game really ended up being like :happy:
I might just be weird, though...

[ReallyRue]

They rush DA2, and people complain. They take their time with DA3, and people complain. And come up with conspiracy theories about the 'real' reason behind it.

A case of 'damned if they do, damned if they don't'?

I'm eager to see this game, but I don't mind if they take their time. Tbh, the more time they take, the more hopeful I am about its quality, not less.

[Steppenwolf]

Danny Boy 7 wrote...

@BasilKarlo I think you're reading a bit into this though. The game was in alpha just before Christmas and regardless of that we can't be sure what the Dragon Age marketing team is up to. They said the earliest we'd hear anything is Spring. It's not even technically here yet.

Marketing didn't say Spring, Priestly did. Marketing hasn't said anything.

ReallyRue wrote...

They rush DA2, and people complain.
They take their time with DA3, and people complain. And come up with
conspiracy theories about the 'real' reason behind it.

A case of 'damned if they do, damned if they don't'?

I'm
eager to see this game, but I don't mind if they take their time. Tbh,
the more time they take, the more hopeful I am about its quality, not
less.

sigh

Where did I demand that the game come out now? Don't put words in my mouth because you can't make an argument.

[HurricaneGinger]

simfamSP wrote...

ReallyRue wrote...

They rush DA2, and people complain. They take their time with DA3, and people complain. And come up with conspiracy theories about the 'real' reason behind it.

A case of 'damned if they do, damned if they don't'?

I'm eager to see this game, but I don't mind if they take their time. Tbh, the more time they take, the more hopeful I am about its quality, not less.

BioWare are always damned in these forums.

Being impatient is alright in my books. But being impatient and blaming BioWare for imcompetence at the same time is just juvenile.

I appreciate the fact they are taking their time. DA2 was rushed, ME3 was rushed...and we know the response they got. I think they like they're taking their time, they like they are keeping things under wraps - and if they like it, then I like it. Sure I'll be as ornery as Isabela shoved into a pair of pants, but I'll live and I can't wait to see what BioWare has for us.

[Steppenwolf]

Where did I call them incompetent? Why can't you people have a discussion without setting up strawmen and arguing points that no one raised?

[Maytrows]

Not worried about the games release, it will be released when its ready. I am a bit more concerned with pre-order incentives and microtransactions as it seems to be EA latest way to try to get more money out of its games. Would hate if EA ruined part of my experience with DA3 by being greedy.

[Fast Jimmy]

simfamSP wrote...

ReallyRue wrote...

They rush DA2, and people complain. They take their time with DA3, and people complain. And come up with conspiracy theories about the 'real' reason behind it.

A case of 'damned if they do, damned if they don't'?

I'm eager to see this game, but I don't mind if they take their time. Tbh, the more time they take, the more hopeful I am about its quality, not less.

BioWare are always damned in these forums.

Being impatient is alright in my books. But being impatient and blaming BioWare for imcompetence at the same time is just juvenile.

I don't have a problem with Bioware taking their time... however, I do have a concern that the game is, according to the devs, not ready to show yet and they are still - again, according to the devs - aiming for a Fall 2013 release date, a date they said has nothing to do with next gen consoles.

If the game comes out in Novemeber 2013, that means it has to go Gold around August/September, which means they have five-six months to finish the game from right now. If they game isn't ready to show now and has to be completed in five months time... does that not concern people?

[Steppenwolf]

Fast Jimmy wrote...

I don't have a problem with Bioware taking their time... however, I do have a concern that the game is, according to the devs, not ready to show yet and they are still - again, according to the devs - aiming for a Fall 2013 release date, a date they said has nothing to do with next gen consoles.

If the game comes out in Novemeber 2013, that means it has to go Gold around August/September, which means they have five-six months to finish the game from right now. If they game isn't ready to show now and has to be completed in five months time... does that not concern people?

Exactly this. No one here wants the game to be bad or for Bioware to fail.

[Jean]

^Some people do.