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[Steppenwolf]

Batteries wrote...

^Some people do.

Who? Who on this forum actually wants Bioware and the Dragon Age franchise to fail?

[Jean]

There are some people who are just determined to be bitter and absolutely hate anything Bioware or Dragon Age offer anymore... Just because, really.
I don't really know why some people have such a vitriol that goes beyond simply "I dislike the direction the series/company is going."

I certainly do not want to see Bioware or Dragon Age fail.

[PaulSX]

Fast Jimmy wrote...

simfamSP wrote...

ReallyRue wrote...

They rush DA2, and people complain. They take their time with DA3, and people complain. And come up with conspiracy theories about the 'real' reason behind it.

A case of 'damned if they do, damned if they don't'?

I'm eager to see this game, but I don't mind if they take their time. Tbh, the more time they take, the more hopeful I am about its quality, not less.

BioWare are always damned in these forums.

Being impatient is alright in my books. But being impatient and blaming BioWare for imcompetence at the same time is just juvenile.

I don't have a problem with Bioware taking their time... however, I do have a concern that the game is, according to the devs, not ready to show yet and they are still - again, according to the devs - aiming for a Fall 2013 release date, a date they said has nothing to do with next gen consoles.

If the game comes out in Novemeber 2013, that means it has to go Gold around August/September, which means they have five-six months to finish the game from right now. If they game isn't ready to show now and has to be completed in five months time... does that not concern people?

well, no actual release date has been annouced yet. But judging by the current progress, if the game will be released this year then it must be a rushed job again.

[Steppenwolf]

Batteries wrote...

There are some people who are just determined to be bitter and absolutely hate anything Bioware or Dragon Age offer anymore... Just because, really.
I don't really know why some people have such a vitriol that goes beyond simply "I dislike the direction the series/company is going."

I certainly do not want to see Bioware or Dragon Age fail.

Most of the people who adamantly hate DA2 or ME3 loved the previous installments of those series. I've never seen anyone on this forum that claims to hate everything Bioware has done, yet I always see claims of such behavior. It's hyperbole, pure and simple.

[Jean]

That's why I said "offer anymore".

Pretty sure the people who actually do think like that are either trolls or very few and far inbetween anyways.

Modifié par Batteries, 24 février 2013 - 06:54 .

[Nomadiac]

BasilKarlo wrote...

Batteries wrote...

There are some people who are just determined to be bitter and absolutely hate anything Bioware or Dragon Age offer anymore... Just because, really.
I don't really know why some people have such a vitriol that goes beyond simply "I dislike the direction the series/company is going."

I certainly do not want to see Bioware or Dragon Age fail.

Most of the people who adamantly hate DA2 or ME3 loved the previous installments of those series. I've never seen anyone on this forum that claims to hate everything Bioware has done, yet I always see claims of such behavior. It's hyperbole, pure and simple.

I think they don't exist, other than the occasional troll who I'm fairly sure just pirated the games anyway.

[Steppenwolf]

Batteries wrote...

That's why I said "offer anymore".

Pretty sure the people who actually do think like that are either trolls or very few and far inbetween anyways.

Or they just don't like the games Bioware has been making lately. Why do people who have negative opinions have to hate everything or be trolls? I disliked DA2 and hated ME3. Am I hating on Bioware just to do it? Am I a troll?

[clst]

i think the first trailer will be reveal at e3 not pax  because it's the biggest moment of the year for north americain developer

[karushna5]

I have noticed that a few people hated the last few games and now believes and argue that the next few games are doomed failures and have said bad things about it even before anything was said about it.

Although I think they are fewer, more common are the people on both sides who use their opinions and the fact others differ from them to be a little cruel to each other, sadly the Internet runs that way

[Jean]

karushna5 wrote...

I have noticed that a few people hated the last few games and now believes and argue that the next few games are doomed failures and have said bad things about it even before anything was said about it.

Although I think they are fewer, more common are the people on both sides who use their opinions and the fact others differ from them to be a little cruel to each other, sadly the Internet runs that way

Unfortunately on both parts. 


I like both DAII and ME3, but I do acknowledge they both have flaws in their own right. I don't have a problem with anyone who outright dislikes both games though. 

[ThisIsZad]

Batteries wrote...

^Some people do.

ELMO? 

[ElitePinecone]

suntzuxi wrote...
judging by the current progress, if the game will be released this year then it must be a rushed job again.

What progress? You haven't even seen it.

FFS.

[Damate]

While I, like many, would have loved to see something DA: I related at PAX east, I'm a little  at the knee-jerk reactions of woe and doom. Say Chris Priestly's prediction turns out to be accurate and, indeed, more information will finally be revealed in Spring of this year: Spring lasts from March 20th until June 20th, going strictly by equinoxes. Likewise Fall extends all the way into the late portion of December, with the Winter Solstice on the 21st. 

Dragon Age Origins was released on November 3, 2009. Dragon Age 2 was released on March 8, 2011. So there was about 16 months between both games. Assuming DA: I releases late this year - in December, which is still Autumn, technically - that'll be roughly (accounting for time between going gold and actual public release) about double the time as compared to the time between the release of Origins and the release of DA2. Sooo... I'm not too terribly concerned about Inquistion being rushed? Just me?

So far as the "Going Gold" business -- Mass Effect 3 was announced as "Gold" in Februrary last year. It was released in March. There was about a month, maybe less, between "going gold" and public release. Which means Dragon Age Inquisition could go gold in November and still be released for sales in December. So, again: I'm not too terribly concerned. 


Anyway, just a simple laywomans reasoning on the current situation. Waiting sucks, sure, but.... I don't think it's time to freak out or start assuming some massive conspiracy to cover up inefficiency. 

[LolaLei]

ElitePinecone wrote...

suntzuxi wrote...
judging by the current progress, if the game will be released this year then it must be a rushed job again.

What progress? You haven't even seen it.

FFS.

This ^^

Plus, they've been working on it for nearly 2 years now (according to the blog Mark Darrah made a few months ago), so by the time it is released, be it this year or next, it'll still have a longer production time that DA2 did. 

[RepHope]

Nobody wants the DA series to fail because with the way ME3 blew that series brains out all over the floor for a lot of ppl DA is the only series left. I'm cautiously optimistic that they learned from their mistakes and won't repeat them but we'll see

[Danny Boy 7]

LolaLei wrote...

ElitePinecone wrote...

suntzuxi wrote...
judging by the current progress, if the game will be released this year then it must be a rushed job again.

What progress? You haven't even seen it.

FFS.

This ^^

Plus, they've been working on it for nearly 2 years now (according to the blog Mark Darrah made a few months ago), so by the time it is released, be it this year or next, it'll still have a longer production time that DA2 did. 

Agreed. Not to mention that for the four hundreth time, it's not even Spring yet. Which is the earliest they've said they'd show us anything. Now if we near the end of that timeframe then we might have a problem.

[DaringMoosejaw]

People DO want the next game to fail, and the reason that they do is because they know it's taking a direction they don't like. Their fantasy insists that if the next game fails, it will be because of Bioware turning their backs on everything these people enjoyed and they can point to it as proof of how right they are, then Bioware will realize their mistakes and proceed putting out BG2 clones for the rest of their lives.

[MidnightsFury]

Has anyone thought that the reason they aren't releasing at Pax East is that they're too busy actually working on it to be buggered with the event? It would take way too much time to stop working, plan and plot a reveal, an event, discussion panel, giveaways, the huge headache that goes into presenting at a con. Then packing up and heading home to have to get back into where you left off. I don't blame them for a bit and I have every faith that Inquisition is going to be massively awesome. Just because they aren't releasing anything doesn't mean it isn't there.

[Fast Jimmy]

Danny Boy 7 wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

ElitePinecone wrote...

suntzuxi wrote...
judging by the current progress, if the game will be released this year then it must be a rushed job again.

What progress? You haven't even seen it.

FFS.

This ^^

Plus, they've been working on it for nearly 2 years now (according to the blog Mark Darrah made a few months ago), so by the time it is released, be it this year or next, it'll still have a longer production time that DA2 did. 

Agreed. Not to mention that for the four hundreth time, it's not even Spring yet. Which is the earliest they've said they'd show us anything. Now if we near the end of that timeframe then we might have a problem.

But that IS the problem... we aren't near the end of Spring now. But the devs said that they won't be ready to announce by PAX East, which is slated to happen at the end of March. That leaves E3 as the next date to do any reveal, which occurs in June, which can only barely in the most technical sense of the word be considered Spring.

This means we have one of two options... that DA3 is revealed in June, where it has only a fistful of months from that point before it goes Gold and would need to be complete. That a project due out in Fall (even late Fall) would not be ready to show until June is concerning - NOT doom and gloom, merely concerning. The concern in this scenario is a sub-standard game.

The second option is that the game is that they are planning on doing a reveal outside of a major event, like PAX or E3. Which is fine... until you consider the sheer amount of hype, informaiton and competition that many games as well as the next-gen consoles are going to be jockeying for. Will a stand-alone announcement be nearly as effective, or will it get drowned out by all the other buzz going on in this crazy, unique year? Will a very short promotional window coupled with a stand-alone annoucenment garner the amount of attention to get a large audience? The concern of this scenario is a on-par quality game, but a lack of interest due to news being drowned out by bigger events.

Are either of these the end of the world? No, not at all. But are they cause for concern (again, not ALARM, but concern)? I'd say so. And, with so many other things, I'd love to be proven wrong. But only a foolish person does not attempt to think of negative possible outcomes until it is too late.

Modifié par Fast Jimmy, 24 février 2013 - 05:49 .

[LolaLei]

Let's also not forget that they announced DA3's existence earlier than originally planned. If it wasn't for that then we'd still be referring to it in hypotheticals.

[LolaLei]

Fast Jimmy wrote...

Danny Boy 7 wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

ElitePinecone wrote...

suntzuxi wrote...
judging by the current progress, if the game will be released this year then it must be a rushed job again.

What progress? You haven't even seen it.

FFS.

This ^^

Plus, they've been working on it for nearly 2 years now (according to the blog Mark Darrah made a few months ago), so by the time it is released, be it this year or next, it'll still have a longer production time that DA2 did. 

Agreed. Not to mention that for the four hundreth time, it's not even Spring yet. Which is the earliest they've said they'd show us anything. Now if we near the end of that timeframe then we might have a problem.

But that IS the problem... we aren't near the end of Spring now. But teh devs said that they won't be ready to announce by PAX East, which is slated to happen at the end of March. That leaves E3 as the next date to do any reveal, which occurs in June, which can only barely in the most technical sense of the word be considered Spring.

This means we have one of two options... that DA3 is revealed in June, where it has only a fistful of months from that point before it goes Gold and would need to be complete. That a project due out in Fall (even late Fall) would not be ready to show until June is concerning - NOT doom and gloom, merely concerning. The concern in this scenario is a sub-standard game.

The second option is that the game is that they are planning on doing a reveal outside of a major event, like PAX or E3. Which is fine... until you consider the sheer amount of hype, informaiton and competition that many games as well as the next-gen consoles are going to be jockeying for. Will a stand-alone announcement be nearly as effective, or will it get drowned out by all the other buzz going on in this crazy, unique year? Will a very short promotional window coupled with a stand-alone annoucenment garner the amount of attention to get a large audience? The concern of this scenario is a on-par quality game, but a lack of interest due to news being drowned out by bigger events.

Are either of these the end of the world? No, not at all. But are they cause for concern (again, not ALARM, but concern)? I'd say so. And, with so many other things, I'd love to be proven wrong. But only a foolish person does not attempt to think of negative possible outcomes until it is too late.

I guess it all depends on the approach they plan to take. I recall one of the devs saying that we'd see gameplay footage 'n' stuff before we'd see a trailer. Maybe they just wanna try something different with the promotion and publicity side of things? 

[MWMike2011]

Everyone here seems to be forgetting one key part. Just because they ANNOUNCED DAIII back in September, does not mean at all that the game has only been worked on since September. They have been working on it as far back as last May, I believe, when the first hints of it came out. Furthermore, once development of DLC for ME3 finished, the developers split between ME4/Next and DA3. The game will be fine, it's going to have had plenty of time to cook, much longer than DA2 had. I would assume we will hear more possibly at PAX, but for sure at E3. Probably hear launch consoles, too.