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[SwobyJ]

Even calling him dead isn't entirely right. Original Cole is dead. This Cole is alive-ish or dead-ish. He's here and doing physical stuff and thinking and everything.. so is he alive? Does only the soul matter, and not the vessel or mind?

[Eveangaline]

Even calling him dead isn't entirely right. Original Cole is dead. This Cole is alive-ish or dead-ish. He's here and doing physical stuff and thinking and everything.. so is he alive? Does only the soul matter, and not the vessel or mind?

if he's physically older than the original cole, then the body is aging. Can he really be dead and growing?

[KC_Prototype]

jesus christ bsn

Bruh, I have, for some reason, hated Cole just from reading Asunder. I don;t know why, but I feel like I will easily be irritated by his presence. Now, I could be wrong of course but this is my pre-game thoughts on Cole. 

[SwobyJ]

if he's physically older than the original cole, then the body is aging. Can he really be dead and growing?

 

He isn't really aging in the typical human sense.

 

And like I said, he is only dead-ish.

 

It is hard to understand. Like Synthesis. Lawl.

 

 

Mortal/Spirit/Demon mix. A mortal with a spirit in them is one thing, but for that mortal to die and have that spirit push into demonhood - that must be quite unique.

[Al Foley]

Bruh, I have, for some reason, hated Cole just from reading Asunder. I don;t know why, but I feel like I will easily be irritated by his presence. Now, I could be wrong of course but this is my pre-game thoughts on Cole. 

The Cole in Asunder was annoying and not sure I like him.  But given the uh...revealations...at the end it is possible he could finally start to see some character growth for him with just a dash of mystery to make him compelling.  He is a compelling character for me.  But if he does not grow and the pay off for his mystery is not worth it then...he could easily join Viv in the dustbin of history. 

[Jaulen]

 

Dragon Age ‏@dragonage 

Cole: The Spirit. Get a quick introduction to this curious character here: http://bit.ly/1wo3Jqt  #DAI

 

 

 

 

He's got very nice skin for a corpse. 

 

What is the secret to get the perfect porcelain skin of the undead? Is it demon possession or Nugbutter?

 

 

Not really excited that he's in the game. But his design looks great! (in an undead creepy sorta way)

His eyes, and facial structure.....love it.

Hate his hair with no hat on (I was right! he's got a super bad case of hat hair)

Although that hat looks like a Thedas version of the Flying Nun's hat.....and should be taken out back and de-possessed and burned, he's gotta keep that hat on.....his hair is a worse affront to eyes everywhere.

The eyes.....the yellow....looks like he's got cirrhosis.

[Heimdall]

if he's physically older than the original cole, then the body is aging. Can he really be dead and growing?

Is he though, I don't remember it being said that the original Cole was ten.  Though I haven't read Asunder in awhile.

[KC_Prototype]

I note how no one is bitching about his hair despite being 3000% more terrible than Sera's.

 

No one's hair does that unless he's glued it to his eyebrows. Or he's felted it into a cap and left the ends free.

Uhhhh because it goes well with his character and his hair is exactly how it was described in the book. Sera looks like boy.

[Sugarjaye]

There were actually people still wondering if Cole could be an Li a few weeks ago. But now :

 

 

I think that any human with eyes will stop wondering if he could be an Li, a flirt or whatnot, even without knowing the post of David Gaider. 

 

 

Look at the blood veins, his skin texture is pretty cool. Creepy and ghastly, but cool.

[SwobyJ]

Someone on Dragon Age Wiki put it well:

 

"For awhile there we thought we knew the fade pretty well but with the introduction of spirits like Cole it throws a lot of our knowledge of spirits and the fade into question. It begs us to ask questions such as "What do we really know about the fade? Could the fade be even more complex than we originally thought? Could spirits be more than just nice spirits and evil demons?" and many others i just hope DA:I gives us some answers for these questions i for one believe that asunder was Bioware's way of saying "What do you really know about the dragon age universe?"

 

The Fade is a realm that reflects what mortals think and believe.

 

An entity from there is given designations like 'spirit' (usually 'good') and 'demon' (usually 'evil'), but they are ultimately just Fade entities.

 

So a Fade entity that houses itself within a mortal will be at odds or co-operation with it, depending on the circumstance. Eventually, one side may lose out, and the winner - while still affected and influenced by the other side to some degree - will take control.

 

But Cole is an even more unique case. The boy Cole died, but a Spirit went into him during this.

Ghosts are Fade entities (like 'imprints'?) of the deceased that never fully passed through the Fade to the Maker, and thus sometimes find their way back to the moral realm and wander it.

Cole is not only a Ghost, but the Spirit in him, and a Demonic element that doesn't respond nicely to mistreatment of others. Remember that Demons are also, by intent, much more physical than Spirits are/can be. So Cole has a foot into all realms: the Fade and Thedas.

 

Essentially, Cole is a result of the Fade without being a more clearcut 'spirit' or 'demon'. Too much of the 'human' is in him for him to be a clearcut entity on either side, so he is rather lost, aside from the wish to do good (which he likely obtained from the innocence of Original Cole and the benevolence of whatever Spirit he was). He's just 'evil' enough to take a sort of physical form, but he affects many mortals' memories about it, because he isn't quite mortal and the mortal mind cannot reconcile this .

 

Mortals (and I'm NOT talking about Mages, who are born with at least sight of the Fade) tend to only experience/remember these things: Magic in front of their eyes, and Demons that endeavor to take physical form and become corruptions in the process. At least without the Veil being messed with. So something like Cole sort of creates a Paradox that isn't supposed to happen to the mortal mind - at least the less magical one. The Inquisitor should be overall fine, barring surprise events (for all we know, Inquisitor may give up his Fade power for some reason, by choice). Other mages should be overall fine. Other non-mages.. I dunno.

 

A lot of this is me guessing

[leaguer of one]

I'm so happy they finally confirmed Cole!! I'm going to have a hard time choosing between him and Sera.. I have a feeling they'll both be in my party a lot.

Who?

[Rolling Flame]

His eyes are creepy as hell.

[KC_Prototype]

I just hope we get to know what the hell he is! If he is a demon I will for sure kill him or risk losing the Iron Bull. Also, has anybody thought since the veil is ripped, Cole can be seen by everybody now? And that he is in a physical body? Other wise why have him as a companion?

[BloodyTalon]

For some reason thinking the fade expert is next given Cole was revealed today

[Hanako Ikezawa]

I just hope we get to know what the hell he is! If he is a demon I will for sure kill him or risk losing the Iron Bull. Also, has anybody thought since the veil is ripped, Cole can be seen by everybody now? And that he is in a physical body? Other wise why have him as a companion?

I've thought that as well. With a connection to the Fade, demons and spirits won't really need to possess people to live in the world and instead use their actual forms. 

[dragondreamer]

Cole isn't a possessed corpse, he's a manifested spirit, like a Shade.  The body of the original Cole was 12 years old and disposed of by the templars.

[cogsandcurls]

Is he though, I don't remember it being said that the original Cole was ten.  Though I haven't read Asunder in awhile.

 

He was about twelve in the Fade sequence, which is inferred to be a re-enactment of the incident that got him whisked straight off to White Spire afterwards. So yeah, he was a child.

[SwobyJ]

I just hope we get to know what the hell he is! If he is a demon I will for sure kill him or risk losing the Iron Bull. Also, has anybody thought since the veil is ripped, Cole can be seen by everybody now? And that he is in a physical body? Other wise why have him as a companion?

 

Cole is not a demon.

 

He's a way to complicate matters for those who go: "Oh well Wynne having a spirit in her to keep her alive is fine, but a demon possessing someone is terrible."

[Lebanese Dude]

He's not a corpse per se...he's still Cole.. he's just carrying an extra passenger 

 

Think of it as Anders/Justice with Justice having taken complete control. 

[SwobyJ]

Cole isn't a possessed corpse, he's a manifested spirit, like a Shade.  The body of the original Cole was 12 years old and disposed of by the templars.

 

^^^^

 

Think Wynne's situation, except it couldn't keep the body alive, but instead just consoled the human Cole until he died. Because of this experience, it is transformed to a more human form, and its time haunting the halls of the Spire, and knowing how Cole was left to die, gave it a demonic edge (again, kept in check by the attachment to a mortal-ish form, instead of outright demon).

 

Revenant is a good way of putting it, but he's not even an outright demon like the actual 'revenants' in Dragon Age. He isn't there for vengeance. He's there to help others. A VERY unique case. But of course, players can just push him aside and not want to mess with his complexity.

[HeyCal]

Cole is not a demon.

He's a way to complicate matters for those who go: "Oh well Wynne having a spirit in her to keep her alive is fine, but a demon possessing someone is terrible."

He is a demon because he adversely reacted to the litany of Adralla in the book which was created to fight demons and blood mages.

[Lady Lionheart]

There'd better be a hug option. :3

[TheLittleBird]

He is a demon because he adversely reacted to the litany of Andralla in the book which was created to fight demons and blood mages.

 

Who's to say that thing doesn't invoke a reaction by other Fade-creatures that are still unknown to most?

[SwobyJ]

He's not a corpse per se...he's still Cole.. he's just carrying an extra passenger 

 

Think of it as Anders/Justice with Justice having taken complete control. 

 

I admit that in some way, he could still be Cole's corpse that is kinda-sorta alive enough to age.

 

But by this point, he is neither alive nor dead. He can disappear like a spirit, attack like a demon, but has the consistency (when in physical form) like a human. Walking corpse isn't quite correct, but neither is alive, or undead, or whatever else.

 

So cool .

 

IMO he may be a teaser for what may eventually happen to the Dragon Age universe - a greater and inevitable merging of worlds, even as the Breach is the initial birth pangs of this process.

[HeyCal]

Who's to say that thing doesn't invoke a reaction by other Fade-creatures that are still unknown to most?

The mass murdering people and taking over a boys body/spirit? Kinda totters him in that direction IMO, cause he sure ain't a benevolent spirit.