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[ElitePinecone]

Ericander77 wrote...

our socks will "be blown off" at the time of reveal.

Clearly that "show don't tell" thing doesn't apply when they're telling us about how good the future showing will be. 

I am still kinda wary about the obligatory arms-race of hype, if only because there's a distinct possibility that fans will take every single word as the literal and whole truth - and if the reactions to several of Bioware's recent games have signified anything, it's that misaligned expectations can lead to rage rather than calmer disappointment. 

I mean, hype is guaranteed (and what developer would ever undersell their game?), but it'd be... reassuring... if the game was allowed to speak for itself, on its own merits, without the overwhelming cloud of hyperbole that people got so angsty about after ME3 and DA2.

[Steppenwolf]

ElitePinecone wrote...
if the reactions to several of Bioware's recent games have signified anything, it's that misaligned expectations can lead to rage rather than calmer disappointment.

I really hate when people try to blame the reaction to ME3's ending on the fans and their expectations. If BioWare doesn't want us to expect to get what they tell us will be in their games then they shouldn't make statements about content at all. Blaming the fans is moronic.

[ElitePinecone]

BasilKarlo wrote...

ElitePinecone wrote...
if the reactions to several of Bioware's recent games have signified anything, it's that misaligned expectations can lead to rage rather than calmer disappointment.

I really hate when people try to blame the reaction to ME3's ending on the fans and their expectations. If BioWare doesn't want us to expect to get what they tell us will be in their games then they shouldn't make statements about content at all. Blaming the fans is moronic.

Misaligned expectations work both ways. Misleading or flat-out wrong dev statements are a huge factor (particularly in ME3's case), but so is the wind-tunnel of fan culture that massively concentrates tiny amounts of revealed information and assigns it meanings that fans themselves want to hear. In an echo chamber like most fan communities, the few loudest voices really are the most dominant - even if what they're assuming is unrealistic or ridiculous, or if their interpretation of what has been revealed is totally incorrect.

(Again, it's frustrating that developers don't do anything to discourage fans from making those leaps of inference and exaggerating what they expect from games, but more level-headedness and perspective from everybody wouldn't be a bad thing.)

I'd say it's a systemic issue, really, tied up in the whole self-desctuctive ethos of marketing campaigns that hype the game at all costs. Whatever the cause of misaligned expectations, something desperately needs to be done to reconcile the actual games being produced with the expectations of fans - and more transparency about what is actually possible (or what has actually been developed) would be a start.

Encouraging unrealistic hype can backfire enormously. 

[Steppenwolf]

The fans didn't assign undue meaning to "The ending won't come down to a choice between A, B or C." That was BioWare's lie and they got caught in it.

[Danny Boy 7]

Not to dictate your thread Elite, but maybe it isn't....I wanna say wise to discuss who's at fault regarding ME3, DA2 etc. By now everyone has their opinion and I doubt any argument, good or bad will be changed by this point. Feel free to ignore this post though as it is your thread and ultimately you get to say whatever.

Modifié par Danny Boy 7, 07 avril 2013 - 05:53 .

[Allan Schumacher]

I agree to not take this discussion down an ME3 path.

Clearly that "show don't tell" thing doesn't apply when they're telling us about how good the future showing will be.

I feel it's more of an "itching to talk about it" type vibe. At least it is for me. Though you are right that there's some level of "telling" rather than showing, although we're all decidedly cryptic about what we're working on so that it's not something that can be taken to task for setting up specifics this early and later realizing we can't deliver on them all.

Modifié par Allan Schumacher, 07 avril 2013 - 06:17 .

[ElitePinecone]

Allan Schumacher wrote...
although we're all decidedly cryptic about what we're working on so that it's not something that can be taken to task for setting up specifics this early and later realizing we can't deliver on them all.

I definitely appreciate that.

(Though pre-order cancelled if my socks aren't, in fact, blown off )

[Allan Schumacher]

That arrangement is null and void if you're wearing asbestos socks. Sorry.

[Danny Boy 7]

Allan Schumacher wrote...

I agree to not take this discussion down an ME3 path.

Clearly that "show don't tell" thing doesn't apply when they're telling us about how good the future showing will be.

I feel it's more of an "itching to talk about it" type vibe. At least it is for me. Though you are right that there's some level of "telling" rather than showing, although we're all decidedly cryptic about what we're working on so that it's not something that can be taken to task for setting up specifics this early and later realizing we can't deliver on them all.

So, I've been wondering and I understand if you can't answer as I'm unsure of what this could mean to fans etc, but how much time does it normally take production if for example you've been in pre-production for two or so years? I'm wondering because I'm not entirely sure what pre-production means in reltaion to actual production. Is pre-production usually the longest part of the process? I mean I get that thing could and will come up, but comparatively once actual production starts is it a breeze (you know what I mean )

[BrookerT]

I wonder if, when Dragon age is properly announced, we will have like like loads of different video docs about the game. Like the five for mass effect 3 that came out on Femshep Friday.

Modifié par BrookerT, 07 avril 2013 - 06:33 .

[ElitePinecone]

In other news, a bit of a long-shot but if Inon Zur is indeed composing for DA3 (although a rumour suggested he isn't), it's possible the game he refers to here is Inquisition:

http://www.idigitalt...ws-inon-zur.htm

[hahagirl727]

ElitePinecone wrote...

In other news, a bit of a long-shot but if Inon Zur is indeed composing for DA3 (although a rumour suggested he isn't), it's possible the game he refers to here is Inquisition:

http://www.idigitalt...ws-inon-zur.htm

I really hope he is composing for DA3. DAO and DA2 are my two favorite video game soundtracks ever and I really want him back. He just is Dragon Age for me, it would be odd without him.

[InfinitePaths]

hahagirl727 wrote...

I rivaled her in one play through and friended her in another. Even though it is hard to be mean to Merrill the rival path is for her own good. That mirror is bad news and if you friend her, her clan get's wiped out and she learns nothing. I think her breaking the mirror is the best thing she's done and I told her to help the Alienage. I don't hate Merrill on the contrary I love Merrill (Eve Myles did a fantastic job with her) and because of this I couldn't let that mirror destroy her.

You don't need to rival her...to...rival...her..umm yeah.You can go full friendship with her(like i did) untill ACT II where i told her not to get the Eluvian shard or whatever was the quest and i got +200 rivaly and i was like :OOOOO?

[BioFan (Official)]

 I just found this.... and my heart warmed with joy.... 
#femalecouslandfan

[hahagirl727]

Ericander77 wrote...

 I just found this.... and my heart warmed with joy.... 
#femalecouslandfan

*Squee!!* This is like a mirror of my first/canon playthrough! This pic  makes me very happy, thanks for sharing.

[Rowan]

I love it! That's my canon too

[llandwynwyn]

Ericander77 wrote...

 I just found this.... and my heart warmed with joy.... 
#femalecouslandfan

**

Cute fanart. Although not my main Warden, my first was a Cousland (archer) rogue that looked just like that one.

[Dave of Canada]

As soon as I saw the picture, I knew immediately it would've led to "pregnant" and groaned.

[LolaLei]

Dave of Canada wrote...

As soon as I saw the picture, I knew immediately it would've led to "pregnant" and groaned.

You and I both.

[Allan Schumacher]

Danny Boy 7 wrote...

So, I've been wondering and I understand if you can't answer as I'm unsure of what this could mean to fans etc, but how much time does it normally take production if for example you've been in pre-production for two or so years? I'm wondering because I'm not entirely sure what pre-production means in reltaion to actual production. Is pre-production usually the longest part of the process? I mean I get that thing could and will come up, but comparatively once actual production starts is it a breeze (you know what I mean )

Pre-production is pretty much just the "planning and idea" phase.  New ideas are experimented upon and considered more openly, without a full plan for how all of this stuff is going to get implemented.

Production is when we've settled on most ideas (especially "core" ideas) and are now ramping up on implementing all aspects of them and coming up with that plan and resource allocation.


What may be unique to DA3 (or not?  I have no idea how other companies do it), is that we broke pre-production/production down by discipline, rather than project level.  So writing was able to enter production earlier than say, Cinematic Design.

[Allan Schumacher]

LolaLei wrote...

Dave of Canada wrote...

As soon as I saw the picture, I knew immediately it would've led to "pregnant" and groaned.

You and I both.

I vote we chalk this up to different people liking different things!

[TheBreadedOne]

Filament wrote...

I guess it's like when people say, sure Miranda may be infertile, but Shepard's supervirility can overcome this trivial matter.

In this case they'd both be infertile though...

[Mummy22kids]

TheBreadedOne wrote...

Filament wrote...

I guess it's like when people say, sure Miranda may be infertile, but Shepard's supervirility can overcome this trivial matter.

In this case they'd both be infertile though...

I'm sure Zev would be willing to help out my FCousland they were very good friends after all. Alistair understands the importance of a "heir" so I'm sure he wouldn't mind too much- after all he impregnated Morrigan.

[King Cousland]

TheBreadedOne wrote...

Filament wrote...

I guess it's like when people say, sure Miranda may be infertile, but Shepard's supervirility can overcome this trivial matter.

In this case they'd both be infertile though...

Pretty sure...

https://encrypted-tb...ckzxpAqAVRx3B1A