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[Commander Kurt]

ElitePinecone wrote...

^ That certainly corresponds to what Mike Laidlaw has been saying a lot at conventions - the approach to DA3 seems to be a direct response to the 'misalignment of expectations' thing that Ray Muzyka said after the second game was released.

The goal, to paraphrase Mike, was that when DA3 is (eventually) released nobody can say they've been misinformed about what the game is, what it involves or how it's played. Given that so much in-production talk from devs is aspirations or vision-stuff (or misleading, inadvertently or otherwise), they're letting the game speak for itself - when it can.

Feb 4: "Our basic approach is to get lots of info about DAIII out before ship, so you can make up your mind."

The reason for misaligned expectations come DA2 was DA:O, not marketing. Sure, marketing didn't fix it (obviously), but that would have called for total transparancy.

What we're getting now is definitely not total transparancy.

[ElitePinecone]

Commander Kurt wrote...

What we're getting now is definitely not total transparancy.

There's the usual corporate necessity of keeping things back for marketing reasons and future reveals/exclusives/hype-building, I guess, and from a creative standpoint they'd want to keep at least some of the story and characters under wraps.

But I'm hoping that, eventually, there'll be *enough* transparency that nobody can yell about being duped by marketing or pre-release dev statements after playing the game. The point is that some players felt misled by the pre-release marketing of the second game (and, more specifically, the absence of emphasis on just how different to DAO it was); that's something that could be improved and it sounds like that is a goal for DA3.

Attributing causation to why some people felt misled with DA2 is divisive (do you blame fans for not investigating enough about the game, the developers for changing direction between sequels, or marketing for the way in which it was sold and presented?) and probably unnecessary: I hope the 'expectation gap' is being considered and improved for Inquisition, and that (assuming DA3 is worth playing!) it finds an audience on its own terms rather than hyperbolic marketing and potentially misleading developer hagiography. 

[Melca36]

 look at these other OFFICIAL trailers

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http://www.youtube.c...h?v=K8mn1rVakZg ' class='bbc_url' title='External link' rel='nofollow external'>

Some of the scenes in these trailers were NOT  even in the official release of the game.

Don't get me wrong, DA2 was a good game but it was very deceptively advertised and hyped to be something that it wasn't.

I think its good they are taking their time and not releasing too much info.

Modifié par Melca36, 10 avril 2013 - 07:02 .

[daffl5]

0_o havent even seen those trailers...

Anyway bioware usually advertises their games Way in advance don't they? I just wouldve thought if it were coming out this year they would have said something...<_<

But i dunno... i got nothing better to do than wait...

Modifié par daffl5, 10 avril 2013 - 07:51 .

[Chipaway111]

LolaLei wrote...

Not gonna lie, I thought we were gonna see a bit of the development process 'n' stuff. I would've found it interesting, anyway.

I thought this as well when we were intially told they would take a 'show don't tell' approach, I'm not disappointed though I just misunderstood. I can understands BasilKarlo's frustration, I'm experiencing it myself since they've done a lot of telling and very little showing. However I also just chalk it up to those involved just being really giddy about what they're doing, DA:I seems extremely promising from the few concrete things we've learned and they just want us to at least partake in a little bit of that joy.

DA3 will be released, I mean it's BioWare not Valve 

[karushna5]

Actually they haven't told at all, all they are saying really is they are excited about the game. They will show eventually. They have not told us anything despite us wanting to. them saying it is beautiful is just them excited. When the game is actually advertised and Revealed then their methods can be judged. because it will be revealed at a certain point they can either

1) Be completely silent and say absolutely nothing and post nothing about it at all
OR
2) Say a few things they are excited about and a bit of teasers to keep us interested.

I prefer 2 since nothing has been revealed I don't think calling their minor little sayings as telling. If all they do is talk about it once it is revealed THEN we can say that is what they are doing.

[Commander Kurt]

ElitePinecone wrote...

There's the usual corporate necessity of keeping things back for marketing reasons and future reveals/exclusives/hype-building, I guess, and from a creative standpoint they'd want to keep at least some of the story and characters under wraps.

But I'm hoping that, eventually, there'll be *enough* transparency that nobody can yell about being duped by marketing or pre-release dev statements after playing the game. The point is that some players felt misled by the pre-release marketing of the second game (and, more specifically, the absence of emphasis on just how different to DAO it was); that's something that could be improved and it sounds like that is a goal for DA3.

Attributing causation to why some people felt misled with DA2 is divisive (do you blame fans for not investigating enough about the game, the developers for changing direction between sequels, or marketing for the way in which it was sold and presented?) and probably unnecessary: I hope the 'expectation gap' is being considered and improved for Inquisition, and that (assuming DA3 is worth playing!) it finds an audience on its own terms rather than hyperbolic marketing and potentially misleading developer hagiography. 

I don't know whom to blame actually, and thing is, I'm not sure it can even be helped. I, as a consumer SHOULD have known that DA2 was different in many ways. I did my homework. Played the demo. Marketing could never be blamed in my case, and still I was disappointed. At the time I just wanted another DA:O, really, and I felt cheated.

People will always yell and rant. Expecting every scene that's in a trailer to appear in the game will lead to disappointment, no doubt, but I think DA:I has a major advantage in that expectations on the game are reasonable from the start (not mine, but smart people's are). Still, I share your hopes that marketing will do their part in showing (or telling, I don't mind) people what they're in for.

Modifié par Commander Kurt, 10 avril 2013 - 10:35 .

[clst]

Fast Jimmy wrote...

ElitePinecone wrote...

 There are always another... five or six months' worth of covers... 

(I was just thinking though, Mike and Mark are in Sweden again for a Scandinavian junket trip to DICE for Frostbite inspection, or something, and David Gaider's on sabbatical in New Orleans, so now is probably not an ideal time to start a marketing hype machine).

E3 or Microsoft's console events are still the most likely candidates for the reveal. As I "doom and gloom predicted" a number of pages back, I think these events are risky in terms of DA being eclipsed by other big seller reveals, not to mention the talk about the new console.

Barring a reveal outside of an event, of course. But that could be equal difficult to generate buzz for. 

i said it  6 month ago .e3 is the most likely event to show something . after  i think i will be better to tell us for exemple  : we wil release dragon age : Inquisition with a date even if it's late something like septembre 2014 ou even mars 2015 is better than nothing

[azarhal]

daffl5 wrote...

0_o havent even seen those trailers...

Anyway bioware usually advertises their games Way in advance don't they? I just wouldve thought if it were coming out this year they would have said something...<_<

But i dunno... i got nothing better to do than wait...

BioWare rarelly showed anything for their games until there were 6 months before release.They did do lots of blend interviews that told us a lots of nothing previously, we were spared that for DAIII.

Modifié par azarhal, 10 avril 2013 - 12:23 .

[Steppenwolf]

karushna5 wrote...

Actually they haven't told at all, all they are saying really is they are excited about the game. They will show eventually. They have not told us anything despite us wanting to.

What? They've told us about character customization, the design process(to an extent), the setting of the game, the scope of the game, and been dropping clues about the story and characters for a year.
They have not been abiding by their own policy at all.

Melca36 wrote...

 look at these other OFFICIAL trailers

Some of the scenes in these trailers were NOT  even in the official release of the game.

Don't get me wrong, DA2 was a good game but it was very deceptively advertised and hyped to be something that it wasn't.
 

The CG trailer showed all kinds of stuff, prominantly, that the game never even attempted to deliver.

Modifié par BasilKarlo, 10 avril 2013 - 04:02 .

[Commander Kurt]

BasilKarlo wrote...

The CG trailer showed all kinds of stuff, prominantly, that the game never even attempted to deliver.

So? That's like pointing out that people on TV look happy drinking coca cola even though it tastes like crap. Guys who wear Axe don't always get the girl, folks who use Colgate don't always have good teeth, and game trailers aren't always a good source of information.

I expect dev's to be honest when talking about the game, and I expect information given to be accurate, but to hold trailers up to this kind of scrutiny just seems silly.

[BrookerT]

BasilKarlo wrote...

karushna5 wrote...

Actually they haven't told at all, all they are saying really is they are excited about the game. They will show eventually. They have not told us anything despite us wanting to.

What? They've told us about character customization, the design process(to an extent), the setting of the game, the scope of the game, and been dropping clues about the story and characters for a year.
They have not been abiding by their own policy at all.

Melca36 wrote...

 look at these other OFFICIAL trailers

Some of the scenes in these trailers were NOT  even in the official release of the game.

Don't get me wrong, DA2 was a good game but it was very deceptively advertised and hyped to be something that it wasn't.
 

The CG trailer showed all kinds of stuff, prominantly, that the game never even attempted to deliver.

Wait, DA2's cinematic trailer was as true to gameplay as most cinematic trailers get. DAO's one was a whole lot of fancy lies in wrapped in zeal. I would say that DA2's was a good example of how to do a cinematic trailer.

[Steppenwolf]

Commander Kurt wrote...

BasilKarlo wrote...

The CG trailer showed all kinds of stuff, prominantly, that the game never even attempted to deliver.

So? That's like pointing out that people on TV look happy drinking coca cola even though it tastes like crap.

Does not compute.

Commander Kurt wrote...
I expect dev's to be honest when talking about the game, and I expect information given to be accurate, but to hold trailers up to this kind of scrutiny just seems silly.

Expect it all you want. ME3 showed that they don't feel the need to be honest about their games.

[TheBlackAdder13]

Expect it all you want. ME3 showed that they don't feel the need to be honest about their games

Taking a CGI trailer as 100% representative of how the game plays is like looking at a cover of a book and being upset when the exact scene from the cover doesn't happen. Waaaaaaaaaah, you battle the arishok in the throne room instead of the stairs of the viscount's keep, waaaaaaaaaaah, Hawke can't be a blood mage-warrior hybrid, waaaaaaaaaaaaaaah Hawke can't actually get too close to the arishok for too long without being instakilled. Waaaaaaaaaah, waaaaaaaah, waaaaaaaaaah. Even if you're naive enough to take those things seriously, what's the point in complaining about them? It's not like they're even major game play features (minus hybrid classes, which Bioware never promised, and it's mostly a vague extrapolation from the trailer anyway).

[Steppenwolf]

TheBlackAdder13 wrote...

Expect it all you want. ME3 showed that they don't feel the need to be honest about their games

Taking a CGI trailer as 100% representative of how the game plays is like looking at a cover of a book and being upset when the exact scene from the cover doesn't happen. Waaaaaaaaaah, you battle the arishok in the throne room instead of the stairs of the viscount's keep, waaaaaaaaaaah, Hawke can't be a blood mage-warrior hybrid, waaaaaaaaaaaaaaah Hawke can't actually get too close to the arishok for too long without being instakilled. Waaaaaaaaaah, waaaaaaaah, waaaaaaaaaah. Even if you're naive enough to take those things seriously, what's the point in complaining about them? It's not like they're even major game play features (minus hybrid classes, which Bioware never promised, and it's mostly a vague extrapolation from the trailer anyway).

Uhhhh, the CG trailer showed an army of Templars going to war with an army of witches that all looked conspicuously like Morrigan. Instead of rushing to insult people why don't you use your head and employ some thought?

[LolaLei]

Is it bad that I didn't even notice the Templars vs Witches part of the trailer? Lol.

[LolaLei]

*Oops double post.

Modifié par LolaLei, 10 avril 2013 - 07:00 .

[LolaLei]

*Triple post. :-S

... Dunno what happened there.

Modifié par LolaLei, 10 avril 2013 - 07:01 .

[Commander Kurt]

BasilKarlo wrote...

Does not compute.

Never figured you for a coke guy...

BasilKarlo wrote...

Expect it all you want. ME3 showed that they don't feel the need to be honest about their games.

The comment about the ending was a bad call (which actually fits rather well with the rest of it), but I'm not a "one strike and you're out" kinda gal. Furthermore, the guys popping in here from time to time do a good job of earning my trust and I'm pretty sure they didn't work on ME3. 

I would buy a used car from either Blair or Allan any day of the week (Chris and David only on Fridays, but they aren't here as much).

[MilaBanilla]

Does anyone know when the next sprint review is?
They didn't have a sprint review last month if I remember correctly.

[King Cousland]

How does all this relate to twitter, exactly?

[Ilidan_DA]

Mila-banilla wrote...

Does anyone know when the next sprint review is?
They didn't have a sprint review last month if I remember correctly.

"Next one I assume will be around 19th or 26th".

Blair Brown

[Enad]

LolaLei wrote...

Is it bad that I didn't even notice the Templars vs Witches part of the trailer? Lol.

Yeah I just rewatched it and I'm not seeing anything like that.

[Welsh Inferno]

He was referring to the CGI traile - Destiny

Witches at 2:11.

[filetemo]

John Spartan ‏@John_Sp4rtan 1h
@Mike_Laidlaw Describe the DA3 "The Fade" sections with one word: Surprising? Nonexistant? Familiar? Revamped? Essential? Poutine?

@John_Sp4rtan Vascilliatory.