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[rapscallioness]

 Mike Laidlaw ‏@Mike_Laidlaw 19h:
"@bengelinas The shadows clearly don't match the lay of the goose's feathers! This is a hoax!" 






uh oh...controversy 

[Fast Jimmy]

HeriocGreyWarden wrote...

Well since thread is going totally out of topic i might aswell comment on the romance situation:It's optional content,don't worry so much about it!

I'll keep my comments short for similar reasons... when a Bioware game gives me back player agency and anything resembling a good ending in their games, I'll be fine with whatever level of romances they want to do.

Unfortunately, the rise of romances and their focus in Bioware games has also been accompanied by their decline in many other areas. If a Bioware game can match or surpass a level of choice in the main story found in a juvenile game like Surviving High School again, then they can have my blessing to focus more on their side, optional content. 

Modifié par Fast Jimmy, 03 mai 2013 - 05:57 .

[llandwynwyn]

Fast Jimmy wrote...

Unfortunately, the rise of romances and their focus in Bioware games has also been accompanied by their decline in many other areas.

Including...romance. Most romances in ME2/DA2/ME3 were cheap and badly done imho.

[InfinitePaths]

rapscallioness wrote...

okay, well I was gonna post sum funny Grinch pics, but I'll rummage around for sum tweets instead...


edit: okay here's sumthing:

david gaider

"New Tumblr post-- On my GDC talk, and other things: http://dgaider.tumbl...in-videogames …"

The presentation was great

[Fast Jimmy]

llandwynwyn wrote...

Fast Jimmy wrote...

Unfortunately, the rise of romances and their focus in Bioware games has also been accompanied by their decline in many other areas.

Including...romance. Most romances in ME2/DA2/ME3 were cheap and badly done imho.

Yet their quantity has grown. Two romance options in ME1, depending on your sex (three total). Nearly three times more than that in ME3. 

[rapscallioness]

HeriocGreyWarden wrote...

rapscallioness wrote...

okay, well I was gonna post sum funny Grinch pics, but I'll rummage around for sum tweets instead...


edit: okay here's sumthing:

david gaider

"New Tumblr post-- On my GDC talk, and other things: http://dgaider.tumbl...in-videogames …"

The presentation was great

I haven't seen it yet. Or read it. And GDC wants sum membership to see it. Maybe I'll try the powerpoint presentation Gaider mentioned

[rapscallioness]

sigh..why did i look in the "dear Mike Laidlaw" thread?

I wasn't expecting...that.

[Stella-Arc]

Fast Jimmy wrote...

HeriocGreyWarden wrote...

Well since thread is going totally out of topic i might aswell comment on the romance situation:It's optional content,don't worry so much about it!

I'll keep my comments short for similar reasons... when a Bioware game gives me back player agency and anything resembling a good ending in their games, I'll be fine with whatever level of romances they want to do.

Unfortunately, the rise of romances and their focus in Bioware games has also been accompanied by their decline in many other areas. If a Bioware game can match or surpass a level of choice in the main story found in a juvenile game like Surviving High School again, then they can have my blessing to focus more on their side, optional content. 

Rise of romances? Focus in Bioware games? Andraste's flaming knickers! Are you serious? I know you seem to have some sort of hatred towards having romances in games but seriously. It's like the politicians blaming video games for violence because they are so popular. 

Yes, the romance in Bioware games are really popular. I think the 500+ threads is a testament to that. However, they haven't been taking away from "other areas". 8 minutes of romance dialogues, which by the way is only slight changes to conversations, isn't going to drown out the 60+ hours of content. As it has been said quite a few times, Bioware games are not dating sims. Of course the romances won't be top-notch! What were you expecting? Twilight? Fifty Shades of Grey? Titanic?! The romances are just optional content that allows players to explore another side to their companions. Instead of critizing the romances, give proper critiques on other areas that are more important, such as story, game mechanics and such. I've played Bioware games from Kotor I all the way to Mass Effect 3 where I didn't initiate a romance and let me tell you. Unless you flirt, the romances are non-existant. 

Don't want the romance. Don't do them. Simple as that.

And on to a related note, I can't wait to watch Gaider's video. 

Modifié par Stella-Arc, 03 mai 2013 - 07:09 .

[Fiddzz]

The GDC vault is amazing, an absolute wealth of information if you are interested in the games industry.

[rapscallioness]

May 2--

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[hoorayforicecream]

Fast Jimmy wrote...

llandwynwyn wrote...

Fast Jimmy wrote...

Unfortunately, the rise of romances and their focus in Bioware games has also been accompanied by their decline in many other areas.

Including...romance. Most romances in ME2/DA2/ME3 were cheap and badly done imho.

Yet their quantity has grown. Two romance options in ME1, depending on your sex (three total). Nearly three times more than that in ME3. 

BG2 - 4 romances (Jaheira, Viconia, Aerie, Anomen)
KOTOR - 3 romances (Bastila, Carth, Juhani)
Jade Empire - 3 romances (Silk Fox, Dawn Star, Sky)
Neverwinter Nights - 4 romances  (Aarin, Aribeth, Linu, Tomi)
Mass Effect - 3 romances (Ashley, Kaidan, Liara)
Dragon Age Origins - 4 romances (Leliana, Zevran, Alistair, Morrigan)
Mass Effect 2 - 6 romances (Jack, Miranda, Jacob, Thane, Tali, Garrus)
Dragon Age 2 - 4 romances (Isabela, Merrill, Anders, Fenris)
Mass Effect 3 - 11 romances (Jack, Miranda, Jacob, Thane, Tali, Garrus, Liara, Kaidan, Ashley, Traynor, Cortez)

I would say that Mass Effect is a special case due to the keeping of continuity between games, and that there is no "rise of romances", given that the rest of Bioware's games for the past 15 years have had 3-4 romances each.

[Sylvianus]

Stella-Arc wrote...


Rise of romances? Focus in Bioware games? Andraste's flaming knickers! Are you serious? I know you seem to have some sort of hatred towards having romances in games but seriously. It's like the politicians blaming video games for violence because they are so popular.

I think many of these people are just afraid by all those topics on the bsn, too impressed by the number of romance threads. So they become hyperbolic with the " rise of romances " in Bioware's games, as if Bioware made a big bad move into this area while actually they didn't, while actually not much happened, with the same formula. ( If that's the case thank you to point out what or when was the revolution on this matter )

Seriously, there are less romance dialogue in M3 than in the previous episodes, and I won't  even talk about DAII compared to DAO.

Romance are just popular, or too popular, that's it. That's what they are most. Between M1 and M3, DAO and DA2, I don't see where they have seen that " rise of romance ", this absolute and horrible focus in Bioware's games now lol. Unless they are talking about the rise of topics and crazy discussions about romance on the bsn ? Yeah, I agree in this case. But players are players, and they are not Bioware.

Modifié par Sylvianus, 03 mai 2013 - 07:56 .

[hoorayforicecream]

Sylvianus wrote...

Romance are just popular, or too popular, that's it. That's what they are most. Between M1 and M3, DAO and DA2, I don't see where they have seen that " rise of romance ", this absolute and horrible focus in Bioware's games now lol. Unless they are talking about the rise of topics and crazy discussions about romance on the bsn ? Yeah, I agree in this case. But players are players, and they are not Bioware.

Romances are very popular among a small but vocal core group of players - the same kind of small but vocal core group of players who are invested enough to actually post on forums. The amount of development resources dedicated to romances is actually not large at all by any means and actually stays about the same (relatively speaking) with each game, but the disproportionate amount of forum chatter they generate tends to make other forum readers think that they are larger than they are.

[Tinu]

hoorayforicecream wrote...
Dragon Age 2 - 4 romances (Isabela, Merrill, Anders, Fenris)

+ Sebastian

[hoorayforicecream]

TinuHawke wrote...

hoorayforicecream wrote...
Dragon Age 2 - 4 romances (Isabela, Merrill, Anders, Fenris)

+ Sebastian

I guess you could include Sebastian, but if you want to include him you'd probably also have to include the four additional romances introduced in the Neverwinter Nights expansion packs (Nathyrra and Valen in HotU, and Calibast and Kaidala in Kingmaker).

[Degenerate Rakia Time]

 I guess i am one of those people interested in the romances, mostly because i am a story wh*re, hell i wouldnt care if the gameplay is a Shale pidgeon crushing simulation as long as the story is good, and a good story requires a romance 

[rapscallioness]

plz. stahp. plz.

edit: i don't want the thread getting closed. and romance convos have a tendency to spiral wildly. i just brought it up as an example of sumthing that would be out of character...for fast jimmy.

like w/basil making light comments abt cake.

Modifié par rapscallioness, 03 mai 2013 - 08:12 .

[Sylvianus]

hoorayforicecream wrote...

Sylvianus wrote...

Romance are just popular, or too popular, that's it. That's what they are most. Between M1 and M3, DAO and DA2, I don't see where they have seen that " rise of romance ", this absolute and horrible focus in Bioware's games now lol. Unless they are talking about the rise of topics and crazy discussions about romance on the bsn ? Yeah, I agree in this case. But players are players, and they are not Bioware.

Romances are very popular among a small but vocal core group of players - the same kind of small but vocal core group of players who are invested enough to actually post on forums. The amount of development resources dedicated to romances is actually not large at all by any means and actually stays about the same (relatively speaking) with each game, but the disproportionate amount of forum chatter they generate tends to make other forum readers think that they are larger than they are.

Eeh, yeah that's true, actually. You're right. They are very popular among a small but vocal core groups of players. And most of them are gathered on the bsn. That's why we've seen so many of these threads which make like you said forum readers think thar there are larger than they are. And part of this result : We see a few people bothered by the " rise of romances in bioware's games "  lol.

Modifié par Sylvianus, 03 mai 2013 - 08:12 .

[Chanda]

Here's the reason why I like having a romance in Bioware games. Not only am I emotionally invested in my main quest (in Origins it was saving the world from darkspawn, and in DA2 it was to help my family), but as you get to know a person (a companion questing with you) you become emotionally invested in them. And if you have a romantic connection to that person, the investment is that much greater. To me, it greatly enhances the story. Alistair from Origins is a very good example of what I'm talking about. Two of the last Grey Wardens in Fereldan, who have to work together to end a blight. We both were working towards a common goal. Having him at my side and also falling in love with him made that goal much more important, because not only are we saving Fereldan, we're trying to save each other.

And honestly, I'd rather have one really good romance for my gender, than to have a bunch of cheap romantic options that have less depth.

[Mirane]

rapscallioness wrote...

plz. stahp. plz.

edit: i don't want the thread getting closed. and romance convos have a tendency to spiral wildly. i just brought it up as an example of sumthing that would be out of character...for fast jimmy.

like w/basil making light comments abt cake.

I'm afraid it's too late:(. More romance related messages are coming. It was so little information in this thread lately, but too much off-topic:?

Modifié par Mirane, 03 mai 2013 - 09:24 .

[Fast Jimmy]

rapscallioness wrote...

plz. stahp. plz.

edit: i don't want the thread getting closed. and romance convos have a tendency to spiral wildly. i just brought it up as an example of sumthing that would be out of character...for fast jimmy.

like w/basil making light comments abt cake.

I apologize. When I said I was keeping my response short, it was to avoid this exact thing happening. 

If anyone has any problem with my irrational, rabid hatred (apparently) of romance in Bioware games, let's please take it to another thread. 

[legbamel]

hoorayforicecream wrote...

Fast Jimmy wrote...

llandwynwyn wrote...

Fast Jimmy wrote...
Unfortunately, the rise of romances and their focus in Bioware games has also been accompanied by their decline in many other areas.

Including...romance. Most romances in ME2/DA2/ME3 were cheap and badly done imho.

Yet their quantity has grown. Two romance options in ME1, depending on your sex (three total). Nearly three times more than that in ME3.

BG2 - 4 romances (Jaheira, Viconia, Aerie, Anomen)
KOTOR - 3 romances (Bastila, Carth, Juhani)
Jade Empire - 3 romances (Silk Fox, Dawn Star, Sky)
Neverwinter Nights - 4 romances  (Aarin, Aribeth, Linu, Tomi)
Mass Effect - 3 romances (Ashley, Kaidan, Liara)
Dragon Age Origins - 4 romances (Leliana, Zevran, Alistair, Morrigan)
Mass Effect 2 - 6 romances (Jack, Miranda, Jacob, Thane, Tali, Garrus)
Dragon Age 2 - 4 romances (Isabela, Merrill, Anders, Fenris)
Mass Effect 3 - 11 romances (Jack, Miranda, Jacob, Thane, Tali, Garrus, Liara, Kaidan, Ashley, Traynor, Cortez)

I would say that Mass Effect is a special case due to the keeping of continuity between games, and that there is no "rise of romances", given that the rest of Bioware's games for the past 15 years have had 3-4 romances each.

I would hardly count cameo characters (Jack, Miranda, Jacob, and Thane) as romances in ME3.  They were, what, one extra scene thrown into the game?  Since you could only have Kaidan or Ashley, I'd count them as one romance and call it six for ME3.

Meanwhile, I'd definitely call Sebastian a romance, if a thoroughly stilted one in most ways, which brings DA2 up to a shocking 5.  That's an increase of 25% over the previous game.    I'm not seeing this  mass of romance content taking over BioWare games thing.

[Fast Jimmy]

Take it elsewhere, people.