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[Hrungr]

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about codex entries. Was voiced codex entries ever considered for Dragon Age series?

 

Mike Laidlaw ‏@Mike_Laidlaw

Nope. They would be prohibitively expensive and force us to write them much earlier in production. Result: far less of them.

[Avejajed]

Not to mention when bioware talks about stuff and then that stuff inevitably changes, people around here throw hissy fits about it. Best to keep their mouths shut, I guess.

[Uirebhiril]

Not to mention when bioware talks about stuff and then that stuff inevitably changes, people around here throw hissy fits about it. Best to keep their mouths shut, I guess.

 

And then there's the part where anything that's talked about or announced is already deemed terrible and people post long rants about how awful the company is for what they are doing with their just-announced thing that we have almost no information on. I'd darn well keep quiet too. People will still complain after the game or DLC has launched, but at least then the vocal individuals would have actually played the thing in question and aren't just blowing it out their backsides.

[BansheeOwnage]

A habit many people on BSN have is making posts with comparisons in a vacuum. 

 

It's unfortunate that you need to point out the obvious

Look, it's not obvious to me; I know nothing about how companies work. Is it wrong to ask a question? I also don't keep track of everything Mike Laidlaw says. Anyway,

 

Mike has already gone over this.

They've chosen instead to say nothing specific until they're out of certification and certain of a release date.

Actually, they've chosen to say nothing (almost at all) until the release date. There is no way they only found out JoH would be released the day after they announced it on that day. Same with Spoils of the Avvar. I would appreciate it if they announced it after they know the release date, since that's allowed, apparently.

 

Another question: Why can they talk extensively about the main game before release, with trailers and gameplay etc, but not DLCs?

[Jawzzus]

Because at the point of them talking about it the game was a foregone conclusion, it was going to come out.  DLC can be cancelled early and never see the light of day if they deem it not worth it, but if they talk about it, then they are legally obliged to go through with it.

[Lebanese Dude]

Look, it's not obvious to me; I know nothing about how companies work. Is it wrong to ask a question? I also don't keep track of everything Mike Laidlaw says

 

Then you ask the question before jumping to any conclusions.

 

Also this wasn't really directed at you personally at all. It's just a general observation. 

 

Back to tweets!

[I saved Star Wars :D]

There is a lot of misinformation being posted in this thread about 'the law,' sadly. If it is illegal to cancel something you have announced, how did Bioware recently manage to cancel Shadow Realms without anyone going to jail?

 

I imagine that they don't announce things early because it gives them flexibility to change and because they are tired of/concerned about the microscopic critical analysis that every comment recieves and have therefore decided it is the lesser of two evils to just say nothing.

 

Announcements, especially major announcements, will of course affect the market and a surge in demand for their shares would drive an increase in share price. It is not illegal to cancel a project, regardless of what industry you are in, however the market can be unforgiving and has a long memory. The next time you make an announcement, the market may not react with the same enthusiasm knowing that you cancelled or changed something last time around, hence the reluctance to make announcements that are fairly small, such as DAI DLC. It really isn't worth it, as advanced publicity of a DLC is unlikely to generate significant extra sales but cancellation of a confirmed DLC will generate signficant extra anger amongst those who were waiting for it. All risk, no reward.

 

The only legal ramifications would be if it could be proven that fake announcements were made to deliberately manipulate the share price (especially where employees of the company can then to be shown to sell their own shares once the price is risen - commonly known as insider trading.)

 

As a fan, it is a real shame. I still remember Dragon Age being announced in 2004(?) and having to go to the second page of the general forums to find the first thread that did not have input from the likes of David Gaider and Mary Kirby.

[midnight tea]

There is a lot of misinformation being posted in this thread about 'the law,' sadly. If it is illegal to cancel something you have announced, how did Bioware recently manage to cancel Shadow Realms without anyone going to jail?

 

Errr, what? Not everything that is "illegal' ends up with people being sent to jail. Fines and other forms of punishment exist too.

[frankf43]

That's unfortunate. I like devs that participate in the community. I also would have thought the potential hype generated would out-way people twisting their words too, since that always happens regardless. It's either get hype and get words twisted, or get words twisted and hear complaints about having no info.

 

That's really bizarre, sorry about that. I hope the gaming industry isn't overly legally... constrained as we go.

This might of started after the FTC complaint about the ending of Mass Effect 3. People also complained about the Pre-Alfa demo of this game and again were claiming that it was false advertising.  I can't blame them for keeping quite on possible content until the thing has been locked down from now on.

 

Of course it could have nothing to do with this what so ever. This is just my take on why they may have been told to say nothing until they are sure of what and when they are delivering. 

[ElitePinecone]

Not really the appropriate thread for the discussion of NDAs and the legality of discussing future releases, surely.

[frankf43]

Not really the appropriate thread for the discussion of NDAs and the legality of discussing future releases, surely.

sorry 

[I saved Star Wars :D]

Errr, what? Not everything that is "illegal' ends up with people being sent to jail. Fines and other forms of punishment exist too.

 

I was being flippant, using sarcasm to highlight that it is not illegal to cancel a DLC XD

[Hrungr]

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Does the cross gen compatibility for DA: I DLC extend to the Deluxe Upgrade or just Jaws of Hakkon? Asking for @user

 

Mike Laidlaw ‏@Mike_Laidlaw

I’m not positive. @ehlien would you know for sure off the top of your head?

 

Billy Buskell ‏@ehlien

It will extend to Jaws of Hakkon and Spoils of the Avvar, but not the Deluxe Upgrade

 

Edit: Spoils of the Avvar, not Qunari...

[BioFan (Official)]

User

Does the cross gen compatibility for DA: I DLC extend to the Deluxe Upgrade or just Jaws of Hakkon? Asking for @user

 

Mike Laidlaw ‏@Mike_Laidlaw

I’m not positive. @ehlien would you know for sure off the top of your head?

 

Billy Buskell ‏@ehlien

It will extend to Jaws of Hakkon and Spoils of the Qunari, but not the Deluxe Upgrade.

 

 

 

SPOILS OF THE WHAT NOW!?!?!?!

 

 

I'm sure he means Avvar... right? RIGHT?

[Hrungr]

SPOILS OF THE WHAT NOW!?!?!?!

 

 

I'm sure he means Avvar... right? RIGHT?

 

He just clarified that...

 

Billy Buskell ‏@ehlien 4m4 minutes ago

It will extend to Jaws of Hakkon and Spoils of the Avvar, but not the Deluxe Upgrade

[BioFan (Official)]

He just clarified that...

 

Billy Buskell ‏@ehlien 4m4 minutes ago

It will extend to Jaws of Hakkon and Spoils of the Avvar, but not the Deluxe Upgrade

 

Well there goes my dreams of femqunari with a gorgeous flowing mane and bad ass qun armor... again. 

[Hrungr]

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[Hrungr]

Mike Laidlaw ‏@Mike_Laidlaw

Hey, r/dragonage? You folks are pretty great. Thanks for the consistent, quality, positively-framed feedback. #goesbacktolurking

[devSin]

There is a lot of misinformation being posted in this thread about 'the law,' sadly. If it is illegal to cancel something you have announced, how did Bioware recently manage to cancel Shadow Realms without anyone going to jail?

You're misinterpreting things. BioWare's statements having legal repercussions means only that they're legally bound in certain ways, not that it would be against the law to talk about upcoming products (they would simply be subject to certain obligations if they decided to do so).

Shadow Realms could be talked about and canceled because it wasn't yet being sold (EA couldn't claim any revenue from it). From what Mike has said, it sounds like DLC is treated as an enhancement to an existing product (Inquisition in this case), which is where the problem comes (since that can trigger different accounting rules).

[I saved Star Wars :D]

There are posts in this thread saying that if Bioware discuss or announce DLC then they are legally obligated to release it and cannot change their minds. That is not correct, clearly. I'm not having a go at them for not communicating their plans, but "legal issues" is not the cause and neither are accounting rules - accounting rules and conventions apply whether or not you tell people you have a new thing to sell. Sending a press release has no effect whatsoever on that side of any business.

 

Anyway, I don't want to derail this further, so i'll stop there XD

[Avejajed]

They aren't going to tell us a damn thing and they don't have to. I don't blame them much. Listen, Laidlaw thinks effing Reddit is nicer than this forum. Their own fan forum and they don't even like coming here.

[midnight tea]

I am... not surprised by that, really >.>''''

[bondari reloads.]

It's a bit sad yes, but what makes me cheer up is how they too have their fair share of Witcher thread sightings.

[Cespar]

Mike Laidlaw ‏@Mike_Laidlaw

Hey, r/dragonage? You folks are pretty great. Thanks for the consistent, quality, positively-framed feedback. #goesbacktolurking

When they do look at the feedback, I hope that they'll find a way to improve the features instead of just cutting them all together. 

[Jawzzus]

They aren't going to tell us a damn thing and they don't have to. I don't blame them much. Listen, Laidlaw thinks effing Reddit is nicer than this forum. Their own fan forum and they don't even like coming here.

 

Can you blame them?