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[The Night Haunter]

Re: all the talk of Genetics:

(Trespasser Spoilers)

Spoiler

Option 1)

Given what we learn about elves and Kieran OGB's remarks about Elven protagonists (why do you want to look like that?) I am going to hypothesize that Elves are humans. There is no genetic difference between an elf and a human. Instead elves are the decedents of those possessed/combined with spirits who gained the ability to alter their form. After the veil was constructed this ability faded and 'Elves' settled into the form we recognize them as today. It is hinted at greatly throughout codex entries that Elves in the time before the veil did not have a fixed form, and may in fact have been Spirits, as in Cole, who 'willed' physical bodies for themselves (or took over something physical and altered its form ).

 

Option 2)

Alternately Elves are spirits forced by the Veil into existing as mortals (Solas' kinship with spirits makes this seem plausible), and as such they have nothing 'real' to pass on to human children, so mixed children have to be fully human as the spirits/elves don't actually have genes like fully physical beings do.

[Lord Gunsmith 90]

That's an interesting theory.

[Flog the Undying]

Why exactly are we trying to apply real-world genetics to a fantasy setting?

 

Spoiler

For the same reason we aren't wondering whether Solas created gravity as well as the veil?

 

While fantasy uses non real/realistic things, it does usually have a basis in real world physics, like swords moving if you swing them, or boats floating in water.

[dragondreamer]

Re: all the talk of Genetics:

(Trespasser Spoilers)

Spoiler

Option 1)

Given what we learn about elves and Kieran OGB's remarks about Elven protagonists (why do you want to look like that?) I am going to hypothesize that Elves are humans. There is no genetic difference between an elf and a human. Instead elves are the decedents of those possessed/combined with spirits who gained the ability to alter their form. After the veil was constructed this ability faded and 'Elves' settled into the form we recognize them as today. It is hinted at greatly throughout codex entries that Elves in the time before the veil did not have a fixed form, and may in fact have been Spirits, as in Cole, who 'willed' physical bodies for themselves (or took over something physical and altered its form ).

 

Option 2)

Alternately Elves are spirits forced by the Veil into existing as mortals (Solas' kinship with spirits makes this seem plausible), and as such they have nothing 'real' to pass on to human children, so mixed children have to be fully human as the spirits/elves don't actually have genes like fully physical beings do.

 

Spoiler

I'm pretty sure Kieran was referring to the vallaslin.

 

Trespasser seems to suggest that elves were originally spirits that learned to manifest in physical form.  Humans may be related, but given that elves can reproduce with any race, there's nothing to suggest there's anything particular about human relationship with elves.  And again, elven reproductive quirks are magical in nature, rather than genetic.  It's been my theory for a long time that being part spirit results in imitation of whatever they're reproducing with.  Spirits tend to copy what they encounter.  If we had to put it in slight science-y terms, I think elven reproductive cells adapt themselves to be compatible with whatever else they mix with.  So you only get an elf with another elf.

 

The idea that elves could be a primordial race is interesting, especially given something Felassan once said.  But I'm not sure about that, since the dwarves have their own origin, and humans originally came from somewhere beyond known Thedas.  And if we can look at the Chant at all, elves would now appear to have been the First Children (spirits), and humans were supposedly created separately.  (And the dwarves were not at all created by the Maker, which lines up.)  I think humans may be somewhere in-between...elves came from the air, and dwarves from the earth; humans are inherently a little of both.

[pdusen]

For the same reason we aren't wondering whether Solas created gravity as well as the veil?

While fantasy uses non real/realistic things, it does usually have a basis in real world physics, like swords moving if you swing them, or boats floating in water.

Yeah, except where it contradicts real world things, and then you accept it as fantasy. It's pointless to say "but all elf-human hybrids being 100% human makes no sense because genetics!", because it clearly is true, so genetics must not be a factor or work in a totally different way.

[Lady Sif]

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@davidgaider Hello! Can you please add Abelas as a companion and/or LI in DA4? He is gorgeous. Thank you, I love your games

 

David Gaider ‏@davidgaider 

@userThanks, though I cannot add anyone into DA4, I'm afraid. I am not on the DA project any longer.

 

 

 

I would love to have Abelas as a companion in the next game! He was such an interesting character.

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@davidgaider Hello! Can you please add Abelas as a companion and/or LI in DA4? He is gorgeous. Thank you, I love your games

 

David Gaider ‏@davidgaider 

@userThanks, though I cannot add anyone into DA4, I'm afraid. I am not on the DA project any longer.

 

 

 

I would love to have Abelas as a companion in the next game! He was such an interesting character.

 

 

 

But he can die...

 

 

#TeamHarding

[Lady Sif]

But he can die...

 

 

#TeamHarding

I know he can, but maybe he was saved somehow! And as far as team Harding, I say why not both? I'm rooting for, and love both of them!

 

Edit: For the record I would probably prefer Harding over anyone from DAI as a companion in the next game, but I do love Abelas!

[Uirebhiril]

I know he can, but maybe he was saved somehow! And as far as team Harding, I say why not both? I'm rooting for, and love both of them!

 

 

Harding/Abelas OTP!  

[Lady Sif]

Billy Buskell ‏@ehlien 

Who needs Friday! Let's do this! #DragonsNDonuts :-)

[thats1evildude]

You know who can't die? I mean, they can die, but not really? The DAIMP characters. We should get ZITHER! back as a party member.

[dragondreamer]

You know who can't die? I mean, they can die, but not really? The DAIMP characters. We should get ZITHER! back as a party member.

 

If we're bringing DAIMP chars into it... Cillian...!

[nightscrawl]

Why exactly are we trying to apply real-world genetics to a fantasy setting?

 

 

We've been told repeatedly that we shouldn't be trying to apply genetics to elven reproduction.  It's a magic thing.

 

Also, there's a codex somewhere in the Exalted Plains written by an elf-blooded man whose father was elven, and his human mother had kept it secret.

 

As far as applying real-world genetics to a fantasy setting, or more specifically Thedas, the writers gave strong suggestions themselves with the whole "Tevinter breeding" thing and trying to make the Kwisatz Haderach... erm ultimate Archon.

 

Humans have been breeding plants and animals for specific purposes for millennia. Even if they didn't fully understand everything about DNA and chromosomes until recently, they were still able to make use of selective breeding. So I don't think it's unreasonable to expect the people in Thedas to have a similar level of knowledge, which would only be enhanced by magic.

 

Then again, I do see pdusen's point. It's BioWare's world and they can give it any rules they want. So for us trying to say that it can or should be this way or that based on real-world stuff is not helpful in the sense that it can only lead to annoyance on the part of the player when the two don't match up.

[Nefla]

That's actually not true.

 

Tespasser spoiler:

 

Spoiler

Leliana actually DIDN'T survive. A spirit simply assumed her place a la Cole and then disappears in the epilogue slides if Leliana isn't the divine.

Wait...WHAT?

[Jaron Oberyn]

I want to give some context to the latest tweets from several Bioware /EA voice actors- who don't actually seem to link the issue, but unless we as consumers understand it, it's irresponsible to support it.
 
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That said, I'm a bit torn, because I hate for companies, even big companies like EA, to lose any part of the gameplay or performance, the game shouldn't suffer because extra money budgeted to the actors may have originally been budgeted to extra features. But I want the voice actors and performance actors to have fair contracts. I don't want the smaller companies to suffer over this. I'd like their side, besides greed, because there has to be something more.

The voice actors are the greedy ones. They do very minimal work and then want profit sharing because they think they deserve it. Developers work MUCH harder, and longer hours - even weekends - and are more deserving of bonus pay if anyone. If these big shots want to refuse work, it'll only be good for those non unionized actors starting in the industry looking to get a leg up. Nobody loses but that greedy lot. I see a lot of people saying "better they get the money rather than the 'greedy' publishers". Companies put profit back into their business's to grow it. The ones who benefit are those who work there, as well as the consumer. Anyone who suggests otherwise doesn't know how businesses operate.

[midnight tea]

The voice actors are the greedy ones. They do very minimal work and then want profit sharing because they think they deserve it. Developers work MUCH harder, and longer hours - even weekends - and are more deserving of bonus pay if anyone. If these big shots want to refuse work, it'll only be good for those non unionized actors starting in the industry looking to get a leg up. Nobody loses but that greedy lot. I see a lot of people saying "better they get the money rather than the 'greedy' publishers". Companies put profit back into their business's to grow it. The ones who benefit are those who work there, as well as the consumer. Anyone who suggests otherwise doesn't know how businesses operate.

 

... Not really sure it's fair to say they do minimal work, considering how much of even the BW/DA story's power and emotion is carried by voice acting. I can never imagine the last scene of Trespasser being as good - or as well-received - if it wasn't for absolutely superb voice acting done. Same with the base game.

[devSin]

Their demands are reasonable. Obviously, there would be some compromise (they're not going to get everything they want), but I didn't see anything outlandish in their proposals.

The one area in which I entirely side with the publishers is regarding motion capture. Voice actors have no business being involved in that.

[Aravasia]

Since we were on the topic, I am curious if elf-breeding is somehow similar to Asari, or, more or less, the opposite really. 

[thats1evildude]

Since we were on the topic, I am curious if elf-breeding is somehow similar to Asari, or, more or less, the opposite really. 

 

Umm, no, it's just regular old intercourse. Insert Rod A into Slot B and so forth.

[Aravasia]

Umm, no, it's just regular old intercourse. Insert Rod A into Slot B and so forth.

I meant more on how genetics come into play (Asari, apparently do not actually take any genes from the 'father' parent, but rather use it as a means to randomize their own genetics.) What if, in the case of elves, they are like the father in Asari reproduction?

[ElitePinecone]

Might be better to take discussion of elven genetics and the voice actors strike to their own threads...

[nightscrawl]

This is a general question...

 

We were told that part of the reason they let go of last gen was so they would have more freedom to use certain technologies and such, and many people assumed they were talking about events or large-scale fights that would take place in the succeeding DLC.

 

I've played Trespasser, but not Descent yet. I also don't play MP. Was this shinier stuff actually put to use, or...? In terms of gameplay nothing in Trespasser seemed really new or different from the rest of the game.

[BioFan (Official)]

This is a general question...

 

We were told that part of the reason they let go of last gen was so they would have more freedom to use certain technologies and such, and many people assumed they were talking about events or large-scale fights that would take place in the succeeding DLC.

 

I've played Trespasser, but not Descent yet. I also don't play MP. Was this shinier stuff actually put to use, or...? In terms of gameplay nothing in Trespasser seemed really new or different from the rest of the game.

 

 

I noticed more enemies in terms of numbers. Descent especially. 

[Exaltation]

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