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[BioFan (Official)]

Fast Jimmy wrote...

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Concept art from where? That doesn't seem to follow the same art style as we've seen for other materials.

I got it off a DA tumblr, the elven style is spot on, and the one on the far right looks like the one in this:

Modifié par Ericander77, 02 septembre 2013 - 03:45 .

[Ecmoose]

Ericander77 wrote...

 
Female inquisitor concept art (minus female kossith)

Is that a tall dwarf or are there two humans?

[Chala]

Ecmoose wrote...

Ericander77 wrote...

 
Female inquisitor concept art (minus female kossith)

Is that a tall dwarf or are there two humans?

From left to right: Dwarf, Elf and Human.
Seems that there's no scale between the three figures.

[Regan Cousland]

@Faerunner

I was a agreeing with you. I think using "kossith" to describe the horned race, minus all religious connotations, is the most sensible course of action, despite what Mister Gaider says.

It doesn't matter what we call them here on forums as long as we can explain ourselves clearly.

[Savber100]

Ericander77 wrote...

 
Female inquisitor concept art (minus female kossith)

Is it just me but it seems that Bioware has dropped the 'boob plate" on female warriors, which so many fantasy RPGs disappointingly have, with something more practical... 

Modifié par Savber100, 02 septembre 2013 - 04:10 .

[clst]

there are question sometime we ask uourselve if people play dragon age 1 and 2 . the flame sword isn"t a warrior skill and not a rune sword . if people remind themselve about the two first game mage have the ability to enchant weapon ( fire and ice ) that's it
perhaps in dragon age inquisition we will eard about morrigan baby ( a futur dragon age hero^^)
and for people who ask about qunari mage if you play it you will not part of the qun because quanari think about mage like abomination : The Qunari treat the Saarebas with the utmost caution, as they do with mages in general, referring to unrestrained ones as "Bas Saarebas". Saarebas must be carefully controlled by a device held by an Arvaarad, "one who holds back evil", because the Qun teaches that they cannot truly control themselves. The Qunari pity and honor the Saarebas, for striving while under constant threat from within is truly selfless, the highest virtue of the Qun.[1] The strict and regimented treatment of Circle mages by the templars pales in comparison to that of the Saarebas by the Qunari.

Where the Circle mages have relative freedom within their towers, Saarebas are seemingly prisoners within their own body, donning a set of heavy pauldrons with chains attached to them, perhaps to act as a form of leash, while their faces are hidden beneath a metal visor. They have their lips stitched together, although this does not seem to prevent them from speaking normally and might be a symbolic gesture.

[Spectre slayer]

Faerunner wrote...

ArtemisMoons wrote...

Except the writers have said that qunari IS a race and kossith is not. Kossith refers to an ancient way of life that the qunari conformed to. So calling them Kossith doesn't make any sense. 
It makes no sense to me that people ignore the creators. 
It's really not that difficult to understand, and I don't get why people freak out so much about it. 


*Ok, I read somewhere that writers are now calling Qunari a culture too. xD
Either way, it's not that confusing. Qunari think of themselves only in terms of religion except the "true gray ones". They don't care about race. 

Regan Cousland wrote...

I agree. I understand why David Gaider doesn't want people to associate the word "kossith" with the qunari race. "Kossith" no longer exist in Thedas. The word is defunct; it's been consigned to the history books.

But when you and I are debating the issue in forums, a word that instantly differentiates between the race and the religion is incredibly useful. 

Spectre slayer wrote...

I hope these help clear somethings up, i'll put some terms down at the bottom to reference certain things.

Confession: I hate how the kossith are referred to as Qunari as a people. They are only Qunari if the follow the Qun, and any race can be Qunari.

To anyone in Thedas who doesn’t know any better, they’re all Qunari. The culture and the religion are one and the same thing.

"But what about the followers of the Qun who aren’t big, horned people?"

Properly, they’re viddathari. But since nobody would know what that means, you can call them “elven Qunari”, “human Qunari” or what have you. They are, after all, exceptions to the rule.

"But what about big, horned people who aren’t followers of the Qun?"

Properly, they’re Tal’Vashoth. Again, since few would know what that means, they’d just be called Qunari (to their annoyance, but they’re likely used to it).

"But that’s confusing!"

No, it’s really not.

*throws up hands* I don't even know why I bother.

Fine. I'll just call them "grey giants" for when I'm referring to the biological race, and "Qunari" for when I'm talking about followers of the Qun. I won't dare ask anyone else to be as clear anymore. When I see other people typing "Qunari," I'll just ask if they mean the race or culture or both before proceeding, since responding without checking before just led to a lot of confusion, because requesting an extra term to differentiate the two is obviously asking too much.

Did you read both of them in their entirly because they are from David Gaider and Mary Kirby respectivly, they pretty much explain everything also I put the links there so people can see where I found them.

The problem is that there isn't an modern term for the Qunari's race and there's no distinction between the race or region so just call them Qunari if they follow the Qun, if they don't follow it and are non violent they are Vashoth, if they are violent they are Tal'Valshoth  if you say one of these you won't be wrong and this is all in my previous post

Modifié par Spectre slayer, 02 septembre 2013 - 04:36 .

[Ecmoose]

I don't understand why the Qunari thing is so difficult. We have Jewish people in the real world, it's a heritage AND a religion. But we don't have a special word for Jewish converts, they're just Jewish. Nor do we have a term for Jewish people who don't embrace the Jewish religion (I have many such friends), they're still Jewish.

Sure the fact that there are different species involved makes it more difficult, but in the end, converts to the Qun embrace the Qunari life style. For all purposes excluding aesthetics, they are Qunari.

[Dave of Canada]

Savber100 wrote...

Is it just me but it seems that Bioware has dropped the 'boob plate" on female warriors, which so many fantasy RPGs disappointingly have, with something more practical... 

Boob plate might appear when translating concept art to main game.

Modifié par Dave of Canada, 02 septembre 2013 - 05:16 .

[mupp3tz]

Dave of Canada wrote...

Savber100 wrote...

Is it just me but it seems that Bioware has dropped the 'boob plate" on female warriors, which so many fantasy RPGs disappointingly have, with something more practical... 

Boob plate might appear when translating concept art to main game.

Please no.

May you RIP.

[Steppenwolf]

If you say there's nothing confusing about referring to all grey(and bronze) giants as Qunari regardless of their religion/philosophy and mean it to only reference grey(and bronze) giants you're a liar.
Tallis is a Qunari. I rest my case.

[Evamitchelle]

Savber100 wrote...

Ericander77 wrote...

 
Female inquisitor concept art (minus female kossith)

Is it just me but it seems that Bioware has dropped the 'boob plate" on female warriors, which so many fantasy RPGs disappointingly have, with something more practical... 

There was no "boob plate" in DA2, I don't think they'll put it back in for DA:I. 

[In Exile]

Faerunner wrote...
I know. I'm Jewish. Problem is there's a lot of confusion and debate on what makes someone truly Jewish among practicing and self-proclaimed Jews around the world... but that's not a can of worms I want to open here. Suffice it to say, it's not as simple or easy in real life as you believe. 

It's a confusing jumble. Someone who's Ashke**** has different traditions than someone who's Sephardic. 

Anyway, I agree that we should have a name for Sten's people, for lack of a better word, to distinguish them from the followers of the Qun writ large. 

Edit:.... Did it just freak out over... oh boy. I never realized *that* thing was part of the spelling. Now I'll never unsee it. 

Modifié par In Exile, 02 septembre 2013 - 05:39 .

[Spectre slayer]

Faerunner wrote...

Spectre slayer wrote...

Did you read both of them in their entirly because they are from David Gaider and Mary Kirby respectivly, they pretty much explain everything also I put the links there so people can see where I found them.

The problem is that there isn't an modern term for the Qunari's race and there's no distinction between the race or region so just call them Qunari if they follow the Qun, if they don't follow it and are non violent they are Vashoth, if they are violent they are Tal'Valshoth  if you say one of these you won't be wrong and this is all in my previous post

And yet they themselves just use "Qunari" as a blanket statement for both and don't bother to clarify when people get confused.

"Qunari are a playable race." A lot of forum responses were: "So, are we just the race of horned giants, or also followers of the Qun?" No answer. People were confused if it would be possible to be mages since the Qunari are so strict with their Saarebas. The devs say we can be "Qunari mages but not Saarebas." While signs point to Tal'Vashoth, people aren't sure if it'll be the same for non-mage "Qunari," or something like that.

Ecmoose wrote...

I don't understand why the Qunari thing is so difficult. We have Jewish people in the real world, it's a heritage AND a religion. But we don't have a special word for Jewish converts, they're just Jewish. Nor do we have a term for Jewish people who don't embrace the Jewish religion (I have many such friends), they're still Jewish.

I know. I'm Jewish. Problem is there's a lot of confusion and debate on what makes someone truly Jewish among practicing and self-proclaimed Jews around the world... but that's not a can of worms I want to open here. Suffice it to say, it's not as simple or easy in real life as you believe.

Sure the fact that there are different species involved makes it more difficult.

Bingo.

Not all grey giants follow the Qun and not all Qunari are grey giants. I'd like to be able to have an easily accessible term for the genetic race so as to differentiate from the philosophy-religion, instead of always having to deal with "Qunari this, Qunari that--" "Wait, are you talking about the race or culture?"


AGAIN, I see that's asking too much, so I don't know why I'm bothering.

It's all in one of my previous posts.

social.bioware.com/%20http:/social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/371/index/14137082/468

1. Confession: I hate how the kossith are referred to as Qunari as a people. They are only Qunari if the follow the Qun, and any race can be Qunari.

2. We’ll call them Qunari. If we feel the need to distinguish from the norm, either in terms of race or religion, we’ll do so… and the only people who’ll be confused are those who enjoy overthinking it.

3. Modern Qunari do not have a term for their race for the same reason that nobody in Thedas has a name for their planet. As far as they are concerned, the world consists of people and things-that-aren't-people. All other distinctions are unimportant. 

4. Kabethari are the newer converts to the Qun

Viddathari is the proper term for all non big grey giants that have completely submitted to the Qun if you don't want to use the term you can just call them the race name and then Qunari so Elven Qunari

Vashoth is those big grey giants who don't follow the Qun or break it but are non violent 

Tal'Vashoth are the big grey giants who don't follow the Qun or break it that are violent and are most likely former soldiers also they seem to prefer the Tal'Vashoth name which means true grey ones.

Modifié par Spectre slayer, 02 septembre 2013 - 05:54 .

[Ecmoose]

Faerunner wrote...

Ecmoose wrote...

I don't understand why the Qunari thing is so difficult. We have Jewish people in the real world, it's a heritage AND a religion. But we don't have a special word for Jewish converts, they're just Jewish. Nor do we have a term for Jewish people who don't embrace the Jewish religion (I have many such friends), they're still Jewish.

I know. I'm Jewish. Problem is there's a lot of confusion and debate on what makes someone truly Jewish among practicing and self-proclaimed Jews around the world... but that's not a can of worms I want to open here. Suffice it to say, it's not as simple or easy in real life as you believe.

Sure the fact that there are different species involved makes it more difficult.

Bingo.

Not all grey giants follow the Qun and not all Qunari are grey giants. I'd like to be able to have an easily accessible term for the genetic race so as to differentiate from the philosophy-religion, instead of always having to deal with "Qunari this, Qunari that--" "Wait, are you talking about the race or culture?"


AGAIN, I see that's asking too much, so I don't know why I'm bothering.

Sorry I didn't mean to imply that it was simple in the real world, but that's a discussion held within the Jewish community. Outsiders see everyone as Jewish. That may not be right, but it's something every community and every heritage experiences. You can't understand the nuances unless you are a member of the community,

But if the Qunari themselves have to word to make the distinction, it would kind of go against the creators of Thedas to force one onto them. It would add a layer to the culture they made, that they may not be willing to create yet, Is it frustrating, yes, I agree, but I don't think pushing for specific nomenclature is going to get us anywhere. Having to speceify Qunari (Religion) and Qunari (Race) will have to be enough.

Hopefully with the option of a Qunari protagonist, DAI will give some more insight.

[Cirram55]

Evamitchelle wrote...

Savber100 wrote...

Ericander77 wrote...

 
Female inquisitor concept art (minus female kossith)

Is it just me but it seems that Bioware has dropped the 'boob plate" on female warriors, which so many fantasy RPGs disappointingly have, with something more practical... 

There was no "boob plate" in DA2, I don't think they'll put it back in for DA:I. 

Yeah, Meredith is an excellent example. I hope the trend continues.

[blod007]

Cameron Lee interview. Some of which we might have heard but it's on youtube

[RedWulfi]

I prefer no boob plate. Armor is supposed to bind your chest.

[Nethalf]

DarkKnightHolmes wrote...

No more weapon restriction..... finally! Goodbye Bianca.

It's not confirmed yet. I asked Laidlaw whether Varric could get new weapon or not, and Mike said they're not sure.

Nethalf ‏@Nethalf@
Mike_Laidlaw @DragonTheorist does that mean Varric might cheat on Bianca with another bow/crossbow?

Mike Laidlaw @Mike_Laidlaw@
Nethalf @DragonTheorist still exploring, he might end up a one-bow dwarf. Not sure.

Modifié par Nethalf, 02 septembre 2013 - 08:58 .

[Potato Cat]

Why can't we have shoes AND be an elf? Why are they making us choose?!

[The Elder King]

Elfman wrote...

Why can't we have shoes AND be an elf? Why are they making us choose?!

It's a concept art, and Bioware previously said that they'll shoes. And maybe that concept rapresent a specific armor with no shoes.
There's no need to go info panic for a concept art.

[Dermain]

hhh89 wrote...

Elfman wrote...

Why can't we have shoes AND be an elf? Why are they making us choose?!

It's a concept art, and Bioware previously said that they'll shoes. And maybe that concept rapresent a specific armor with no shoes.
There's no need to go info panic for a concept art.

Dude...this is the BSN. Telling people not to panic over anything is like telling the tides to stop.


As for all the qunari bickering. Perhaps the Qunari themselves do not have a name for their own race? Seeing as they only specify between those who follow the Qun and those that do not I think it's reasonable to say they don't specify their own race. I assume much rage will come of my lack of specification. Rage away!

Faerunner wrote...
I figured as much too, but I also don't want to assume anything. 

Plus, I'd just like to clear up some confusion since over half the discussion on the "Qunari Playable Race" is people trying to figure out if the "Qunari" means the cultural identify factors in, or if it's just the biological race. Why call the PC Qunari if s/he does not follow the Qun?

Since I'm feeling nitpicky I bolded the relevant nitpickings.

Since you seem to be asking about whether or not a "Playable race" means the Qunari culture or the Qunari race? As has been mentioned previously, the devs are NEVER going to specify the name of the horned giants race. As such it would be reasonable to assume they mean the horned giants. 

Methinks you and others are thinking about this whole situation a bit to much. Which while that's usually a good thing, in this situation it's just causing uneeded confusion.

Modifié par Myrkale, 02 septembre 2013 - 10:10 .

[ElitePinecone]

Is the elf in this image the same one as in the War Council/table-stabbing one?