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[Kallimachus]

I must admit I'm just a bit jealous.

I doubt I'll get in myself. I wrote the application after being awake for over 36 hours straight, and I think I was barely coherent. I tried to send a different one later, but. alas, that is not possible.

Oh well...

Congrats to all who got in!

[LolaLei]

Hrungr wrote...

Congratz Day, as well as Ability Drain, Insanity & GamerMD.

Thanks! 

Other people got betas too, right? Not just YouTubers, cosplayers 'n' that sort of thing? I dunno, it doesn't seem fair if the first wave went to just people that are known to them.

Modifié par LolaLei, 26 décembre 2013 - 08:21 .

[Hrungr]

LolaLei wrote...

Hrungr wrote...

Congratz Day, as well as Ability Drain, Insanity & GamerMD.

Thanks! 

Other people got betas too, right? Not just YouTubers, cosplayers 'n' that sort of thing? I dunno, it doesn't seem fair if the first wave went to just people that are known to them.

So far, you are the only four to have come forward (as far as I'm aware...). So... maybe this initial round is a thank-you to their biggest supporters?

More will come out in the new year though, the rest of us will just have to (must... contain... jealousy...) umm, be patient.

Modifié par Hrungr, 26 décembre 2013 - 08:45 .

[LolaLei]

Hrungr wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

Hrungr wrote...

Congratz Day, as well as Ability Drain, Insanity & GamerMD.

Thanks! 

Other people got betas too, right? Not just YouTubers, cosplayers 'n' that sort of thing? I dunno, it doesn't seem fair if the first wave went to just people that are known to them.

So far, you are the only four to have come forward (as far as I'm aware...). So... maybe this initial round is a thank-you to their biggest supporters?

More will come out in the new year though, the rest of us will just have to (must... contain... jealousy...) umm, be patient.

I hope so! It shouldn't just be us, that's not fair otherwise.

[TheInquisitor]

If they have only sent it to youtubers so far, maybe they want some videos out to give first impressions? I am totally expecting videos about the keep from you guys . If they give you permission that is.

[LolaLei]

TristanHawke wrote...

If they have only sent it to youtubers so far, maybe they want some videos out to give first impressions? I am totally expecting videos about the keep from you guys . If they give you permission that is.

I don't think we're allowed, we've gotta sign an NDA. Hopefully it'll just be an embargo though.

[Cleatcleat]

Makes sense. Cosplayers, youtubers, long term forumers would be more willing to keep to the NDA than random people. I'll bet on the NDA ending / being lifted when the larger beta invite wave goes out.

[HiroVoid]

Cleatcleat wrote...

Makes sense. Cosplayers, youtubers, long term forumers would be more willing to keep to the NDA than random people. I'll bet on the NDA ending / being lifted when the larger beta invite wave goes out.

I expect this is the reasoning as well.  Possibly con attendees they've met and other people.

[Tinu]

Cleatcleat wrote...

Makes sense. Cosplayers, youtubers, long term forumers would be more willing to keep to the NDA than random people.

I find this whole 'random people'-thing a bit odd. So someone who joined this forum last year is less trustworthy than someone who is a cosplayer?

[HiroVoid]

TinuHawke wrote...

Cleatcleat wrote...

Makes sense. Cosplayers, youtubers, long term forumers would be more willing to keep to the NDA than random people.

I find this whole 'random people'-thing a bit odd. So someone who joined this forum last year is less trustworthy than someone who is a cosplayer?

Depends on how well the person is known to Bioware.  That's why I also went more specific into con atendees that the devs may have met.

[ManOfSteel]

TinuHawke wrote...

Cleatcleat wrote...

Makes sense. Cosplayers, youtubers, long term forumers would be more willing to keep to the NDA than random people.

I find this whole 'random people'-thing a bit odd. So someone who joined this forum last year is less trustworthy than someone who is a cosplayer?

Someone who is known to BioWare and a number of people are easily more trustworthy, and more likely to adhere to an NDA. Random people on the internet, regardless of whether or not they've been on the forum for a while, are immediately less trustworthy than known individuals.

[HiroVoid]

DoomHK wrote...

TinuHawke wrote...

Cleatcleat wrote...

Makes sense. Cosplayers, youtubers, long term forumers would be more willing to keep to the NDA than random people.

I find this whole 'random people'-thing a bit odd. So someone who joined this forum last year is less trustworthy than someone who is a cosplayer?

Someone who is known to BioWare and a number of people are easily more trustworthy, and more likely to adhere to an NDA. Random people on the internet, regardless of whether or not they've been on the forum for a while, are immediately less trustworthy than known individuals.

It could also be assumed that those who do cosplaying, youtubing, etc. would also be more likely to give constructive feedback as well than just randomly messing around with it for the sake of wanting to mess around with the keep.

[ManOfSteel]

HiroVoid wrote...

DoomHK wrote...

TinuHawke wrote...

Cleatcleat wrote...

Makes sense. Cosplayers, youtubers, long term forumers would be more willing to keep to the NDA than random people.

I find this whole 'random people'-thing a bit odd. So someone who joined this forum last year is less trustworthy than someone who is a cosplayer?

Someone who is known to BioWare and a number of people are easily more trustworthy, and more likely to adhere to an NDA. Random people on the internet, regardless of whether or not they've been on the forum for a while, are immediately less trustworthy than known individuals.

It could also be assumed that those who do cosplaying, youtubing, etc. would also be more likely to give constructive feedback as well than just randomly messing around with it for the sake of wanting to mess around with the keep.

Indeed, indeed. So while it would be nice for random people to get access to the Keep Beta sooner rather than later, people have to remember that it's a Beta in a true sense of the word, and they're out to collect constructive feedback. Therefore, priority should be given to those that are more likely to provide it.

[Steppenwolf]

I understand why BioWare doesn't want details of specific plot points being referenced from the Keep beta, but why can't we disclose what it looks like or how the interface is designed?

[Suledin]

There are many people who know Dragon Age very well. You don't have to be a Youtuber or cosplayer, but w/e. We've to wait anyway.

[Angrywolves]

HiroVoid wrote...

Cleatcleat wrote...

Makes sense. Cosplayers, youtubers, long term forumers would be more willing to keep to the NDA than random people. I'll bet on the NDA ending / being lifted when the larger beta invite wave goes out.

I expect this is the reasoning as well.  Possibly con attendees they've met and other people.

Probably would include people like Jessica Chobot, Chris Hardwick, Felicia Day,Will Wheaton, I bet if they applied for the beta they got approved for it.
That wouldn't bother me however.
They're considered celebrities in the gaming world, so no harm they get first dibs, so they can say when the game comes out how much they liked it/would recommend people buying it.

Of course some fans won't like that, but it's part of doing business.:innocent:

[TheInquisitor]

DoomHK wrote...

HiroVoid wrote...

DoomHK wrote...

TinuHawke wrote...

Cleatcleat wrote...

Makes sense. Cosplayers, youtubers, long term forumers would be more willing to keep to the NDA than random people.

I find this whole 'random people'-thing a bit odd. So someone who joined this forum last year is less trustworthy than someone who is a cosplayer?

Someone who is known to BioWare and a number of people are easily more trustworthy, and more likely to adhere to an NDA. Random people on the internet, regardless of whether or not they've been on the forum for a while, are immediately less trustworthy than known individuals.

It could also be assumed that those who do cosplaying, youtubing, etc. would also be more likely to give constructive feedback as well than just randomly messing around with it for the sake of wanting to mess around with the keep.

Indeed, indeed. So while it would be nice for random people to get access to the Keep Beta sooner rather than later, people have to remember that it's a Beta in a true sense of the word, and they're out to collect constructive feedback. Therefore, priority should be given to those that are more likely to provide it.

A lot of people on here aren't just 'random' people though. They are just as big a fan as any youtuber or cosplayer (I love the youtubers and cosplayers by the way.) I don't make youtube videos about Dragon Age or Cosplay, but does that make me any less of a fan? I don't think so...

Anyway, it's early days. We can still hold out hope for next year.

[ElitePinecone]

BasilKarlo wrote...

I understand why BioWare doesn't want details of specific plot points being referenced from the Keep beta, but why can't we disclose what it looks like or how the interface is designed?

Perhaps if those parts aren't finished yet, they don't want misleading photos to start appearing online, with people making assumptions about something that's not ready. If the interface and appearance are still in flux and are able to be changed based on early beta feedback, perhaps they want to make sure that the final versions are nailed down before they show it publicly. 

I mean, Mark and Mike went to great lengths to emphasise that all the footage they've been showing from DA:I is from the pre-Alpha/Alpha stages, including watermarking it all over the video, just because people are liable to freak out and assume bad things about something that's an awfully long way from being completed. I don't think it's being too cautious to assume that people (especially fans) *will* take something as representative of the final product unless you beat them over the head with the fact that it's an early build. 

[Danny Boy 7]

TristanHawke wrote...

DoomHK wrote...

HiroVoid wrote...

DoomHK wrote...

TinuHawke wrote...

Cleatcleat wrote...

Makes sense. Cosplayers, youtubers, long term forumers would be more willing to keep to the NDA than random people.

I find this whole 'random people'-thing a bit odd. So someone who joined this forum last year is less trustworthy than someone who is a cosplayer?

Someone who is known to BioWare and a number of people are easily more trustworthy, and more likely to adhere to an NDA. Random people on the internet, regardless of whether or not they've been on the forum for a while, are immediately less trustworthy than known individuals.

It could also be assumed that those who do cosplaying, youtubing, etc. would also be more likely to give constructive feedback as well than just randomly messing around with it for the sake of wanting to mess around with the keep.

Indeed, indeed. So while it would be nice for random people to get access to the Keep Beta sooner rather than later, people have to remember that it's a Beta in a true sense of the word, and they're out to collect constructive feedback. Therefore, priority should be given to those that are more likely to provide it.

A lot of people on here aren't just 'random' people though. They are just as big a fan as any youtuber or cosplayer (I love the youtubers and cosplayers by the way.) I don't make youtube videos about Dragon Age or Cosplay, but does that make me any less of a fan? I don't think so...

Anyway, it's early days. We can still hold out hope for next year.

I don't think it really have a lot to do with who is more of a fan than the other, just how visible are you to the developers and what is your relationship with them? I'm sure there are hundreds of youtubers, cosplayers, artists and fanfic writers who've been overlooked simply because they aren't known to the developers. It's all about how visible we are to the devs which these particular people probably are.

[Kali073]

Fandango9641 wrote...

To handpick those who are offered those beta invites is to make a statement about the kind of peoplefeedback Bioware value and appreciate the most. Not the best approach from a PR POV is it?

I think that isn't really what Bioware is trying to do. They probably just pick fans that are more well known to them because they believe they can trust them to not break the NDA. A random fan from BSN can be very knowledgeable about the franchise but Bioware has no way of knowing how trustworthy they are. One guy further up the thread said he wished they'd pick him but added he'd break the NDA in 15 minutes - hardly what Bioware wants.