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[Wissenschaft]

The dialogue wheel and the role of voice tone is one issue where no matter what Bioware does some people will be disappointed. Considering I haven't had much of a problem with Bioware's dialogue (which is far better than most games IMHO) I'm willing to give them the benefit of the doubt.

[FenrirBlackDragon]

I do appreciate this thread very much.

[SonicMisfit]

Give Bioware credit in that they will allow a bunch of gamers to keep a thread following tweets from the devs going over 650 posts, on their servers, is far beyond the call of fanservice.

[TheBlackAdder13]

but I don't understand why people would PLAY by tone. Nobody is [olive branch] in all situations, nor is one always likely to be [fist].

That's the thing though, DA II pretty much rail roaded people into playing like that even if they tried to avoid it because of the dominant tone mechanic (but I think they said they're abandoning that for DA:I so maybe it'll be better?).

[keightdee]

I liked the tone symbols. They were helpful. ¯\\_(ツ)_/¯

[DarthSliver]

keightdee wrote...

I liked the tone symbols. They were helpful. ¯_(ツ)_/¯

It kinda of had that Paragon/ Renegade feel to it like Mass Effect 2 and 3 did, where you felt you had to go blue or red the whole time to get the best out of that playthrough

[Kallimachus]

keightdee wrote...

I liked the tone symbols. They were helpful. ¯\\_(ツ)_/¯

I liked them as well. And I liked some of the unique tone-onlt options and easter eggs (like Hawke's speech after Petrice's death in the Chantry). And moreover, keightdee, I really like that smiley! What's the key between the brackets?

And on a different note, I don't post often, but these days, this is almost the only thread I visit on the BSN, occasionally I'd try going into another thread, only to quickly be reminded why that was not a good idea.

[SurelyForth]

DarthSliver wrote...

keightdee wrote...

I liked the tone symbols. They were helpful. ¯_(ツ)_/¯

It kinda of had that Paragon/ Renegade feel to it like Mass Effect 2 and 3 did, where you felt you had to go blue or red the whole time to get the best out of that playthrough

Actually, I felt like the tone symbols were awesome because they indicated something more nuanced than the typical paragon/neutral/renegade split. Like my sarcastic character was sometimes direct, but never aggressive. If it weren't for the symbols indicating which end of the "renegade" spectrum a given response was on, I probably would have avoided the third option completely.  

[Hrungr]

Speaking of the Tone Symbols...

User:
In DA:I, will there be the option to toggle the tone icons in conversations on/off ?

Mike Laidlaw ‏@Mike_Laidlaw:
Is that something you'd like?

[ElitePinecone]

Hrungr wrote...

Speaking of the Tone Symbols...

User:
In DA:I, will there be the option to toggle the tone icons in conversations on/off ?

Mike Laidlaw ‏@Mike_Laidlaw:
Is that something you'd like?

I suppose if it's not too technically difficult they could always make those icons optional, since it seems there are people who don't like them. It seems a similar thing is happening with the dialogue clarification text, or whatever that system is called - that's optional, I think?

Generally I prefer more clarity with the responses (even if things are artificially pidgeonholed into diplomatic/hostile/whatever), since in the past some of the dialogue paraphrases are just ambiguous enough to be confusing - and saying something that I didn't intend to is pretty frustrating. 

[andar91]

It seems like a lot of people think that the icons' presence means you must ALWAYS choose one tone of response per Hawke. Oddly enough, I did this too, though I can't say why. I did mix it up a bit, though.

[nightcobra]

andar91 wrote...

It seems like a lot of people think that the icons' presence means you must ALWAYS choose one tone of response per Hawke. Oddly enough, I did this too, though I can't say why. I did mix it up a bit, though.

Pavlov conditioning - bioware style:lol:

not entirely correct analogy, but hey nobody's perfect

[Mummy22kids]

I after one playthrough for each "tone" (where I stuck pretty much to only one option) I mixed it up and tried to stay to what I would say in each situation. Made for a very different playthrough.

[Bond]

This system clearly is not working good. Many people complain about it and want it to change. This much we can do, now we wait to see if bioware listened.

[Beerfish]

LoyalFan wrote...

This system clearly is not working good. Many people complain about it and want it to change. This much we can do, now we wait to see if bioware listened.

This may be a vocal minority.  All they have to do is be a bit more careful in how they present them.  In my experience only once or twice a game have they done a real poor job of saying somethibng not close to the intent.

[Bond]

I meant the whole dialogue system.

[nikkylee]

The only issue I had, like a few people said, was the "dominant tone" thing. Or instances where you HAD to have a level of one tone or another to get a certain outcome... like with the Dalish elf threatening the werewolf. I get needing a certain amount of persuasion, but as far as I know it only worked with ONE tone. Needing to be diplomatic makes sense, but it's still a bit frustrating. I had the same issue with Mass Effect and the Miranda/Jack fight. Needing to resolve that always takes precedence over actually saying what I'd like to say.

That, and picking different tones during one conversation can sound a little bit... off, I guess? Like you're two totally different people, not one person with more than one mood. That ties into the dominant tone as well. Like, I'm sad my mom died, but answering with a perky "Let's just say his killing days are over!"

[Fast Jimmy]

nightcobra8928 wrote...

andar91 wrote...

It seems like a lot of people think that the icons' presence means you must ALWAYS choose one tone of response per Hawke. Oddly enough, I did this too, though I can't say why. I did mix it up a bit, though.

Pavlov conditioning - bioware style:lol:

not entirely correct analogy, but hey nobody's perfect

I'm not sure if it the reason "why" or not, but sticking with one tone enough opened up options and outcomes that wouldn't have been available otherwise. So being all-aggressive means you get content that wouldn't be seen if you were aggressive sometimes and not others. As an example.

[andar91]

Fast Jimmy wrote...

nightcobra8928 wrote...

andar91 wrote...

It seems like a lot of people think that the icons' presence means you must ALWAYS choose one tone of response per Hawke. Oddly enough, I did this too, though I can't say why. I did mix it up a bit, though.

Pavlov conditioning - bioware style:lol:

not entirely correct analogy, but hey nobody's perfect

I'm not sure if it the reason "why" or not, but sticking with one tone enough opened up options and outcomes that wouldn't have been available otherwise. So being all-aggressive means you get content that wouldn't be seen if you were aggressive sometimes and not others. As an example.

Yeah, and while I generally don't mind the dialogue system, I"ll admit that this is a big problem from my standpoint. The game is set up to reward playing a one-dimensinal character, hence people complain.

[Lvl20DM]

We'll have to see, but those kind of "unlocked" dialogue options might not exist in Inquisition. For all we know, some sort of Persuasion type skill has been reintroduced to the game. I like the tone icons as way to understand what my character is about to say (and how they'll say it). Since dominant tone has been removed, we will probably not find ourselves marching down one particular path quite as often.

[thats1evildude]

andar91 wrote...

Yeah, and while I generally don't mind the dialogue system, I"ll admit that this is a big problem from my standpoint. The game is set up to reward playing a one-dimensinal character, hence people complain.

Depends on how you look at it. I never saw it as "rewarding" me for playing a one-dimensional character; I saw it as the game recognizing what type of character I was playing and other characters reacting to me appropriately.

I never felt constrained by the dialogue system. Even when I was playing a Diplomatic Hawke, I picked plenty of aggressive and a few sarcastic responses depending on what I felt was appropriate.

Modifié par thats1evildude, 18 février 2014 - 06:15 .

[Bondari the Reloader]

ElitePinecone wrote...

[snip]

Generally I prefer more clarity with the responses (even if things are artificially pidgeonholed into diplomatic/hostile/whatever), since in the past some of the dialogue paraphrases are just ambiguous enough to be confusing - and saying something that I didn't intend to is pretty frustrating. 

This was my biggest problem with DAII, honestly. I think I could live with everything else if I just knew exactly what my character is going to say (which I realize is not going to happen for this game). In that situation, tone would be helpful to know, but the words are more important (to me, anyway). I personally see the word "diplomatic" as meaning making compromises to maintain peace, but I found that "diplomatic" choices tended to be closer to whole-hearted agreement. I tried choosing the other answers on occasion, but the voice sounded like a completely different character, which really took me out of the game. I hope the new expanded paraphrases at least indicate if the Inquisitor is going to be clearly taking a side in a response so my character doesn't end up defending someone she doesn't want to.

[ElitePinecone]

Regarding the closure of Irrational Studios that was announced today:

Mike Laidlaw ‏@Mike_Laidlaw
.@user I've already pinged our recruiters. They had already started making calls.