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[Steppenwolf]

Danny Boy 7 wrote...

I suppose it's because the same character was shown along with the Inquisitor and a Qunari in concept art for Inquisition.

I think you're thinking of the pre-DA][ concept art. That Elf and a Qunari were featured with a werewolf character(who eventually became Hawke, sans lycanphropia) with long black hair and a mostly-black outfit. 

[keightdee]

Hrungr wrote...

David Gaider talks briefly about a comedic style trailer they were considering for Mark of the Assassin over on his Tumblr.

Aveline and Cassandra in that trailer are amazing.

Modifié par keightdee, 22 février 2014 - 05:43 .

[Nefario]

Danny Boy 7 wrote...
I suppose it's because the same character was shown along with the Inquisitor and a Qunari in concept art for Inquisition.  There have been major redesigns so it wouldn't suprise me that that elf and qunari were transformed into Sera and Iron Bull. Add to the fact we haven't seen those particular pair since Sera and Bull appeared.

Well, we've seen the design pop up in recently released concept art. The notion that it was specifically created for Inquisition is just something people assume. There are some pieces that include a character that seems intended to depict an Inquisitor (i.e. there's an Inquisition symbol on their armor), but none of those pictures have that particular female-elf-archer design in them. Just as likely it's just a stock character design that Matt Goldman (and/or other artists) use to populate concept art that's focussed more on environment than characters.

I mean, to assume the elf in the little animated bit is Sera - you'd have to assume that they created the character before DA2 and just sat on it, then brought the character back for Inquisition and changed the look. And presumably, they'd likely have to do some revision to either the character or game in order to make it work (so, in that case, I guess it'd be the same character insofar as the name didn't change?). Or, alternatively, that the writers based a new character for Inquisition off of old art, and then after creating said character based on the art... got the artists to draw up something new to match the character. And the new art was really different.

Maybe that character design was Sera at some point. But there's not actually any reason to think it likely.

Modifié par Nefario, 22 février 2014 - 06:24 .

[lynroy]

Hrungr wrote...

David Gaider talks briefly about a comedic style trailer they were considering for Mark of the Assassin over on his Tumblr.

That's awesome.
I have an amusing image in my head of Aveline running around yelling "I'm a distraction!":lol:

[Danny Boy 7]

BasilKarlo wrote...

Danny Boy 7 wrote...

I suppose it's because the same character was shown along with the Inquisitor and a Qunari in concept art for Inquisition.

I think you're thinking of the pre-DA][ concept art. That Elf and a Qunari were featured with a werewolf character(who eventually became Hawke, sans lycanphropia) with long black hair and a mostly-black outfit. 

No, that's not the one. That came from the Making of Video when they were discussing how DA2 came about. The one I'm talking about is probably much more recent (or hell maybe even older than the animation, Inquisition was supposed to be DA2 right?)

If you look at the Dragon Age: Inquisition-A World Unveiled trailer you can see at around 2:42 the image I was talking about.

[Danny Boy 7]

Nefario wrote...

Danny Boy 7 wrote...
I suppose it's because the same character was shown along with the Inquisitor and a Qunari in concept art for Inquisition.  There have been major redesigns so it wouldn't suprise me that that elf and qunari were transformed into Sera and Iron Bull. Add to the fact we haven't seen those particular pair since Sera and Bull appeared.

Well, we've seen the design pop up in recently released concept art. The notion that it was specifically created for Inquisition is just something people assume. There are some pieces that include a character that seems intended to depict an Inquisitor (i.e. there's an Inquisition symbol on their armor), but none of those pictures have that particular female-elf-archer design in them. Just as likely it's just a stock character design that Matt Goldman (and/or other artists) use to populate concept art that's focussed more on environment than characters.

I mean, to assume the elf in the little animated bit is Sera - you'd have to assume that they created the character before DA2 and just sat on it, then brought the character back for Inquisition and changed the look. And presumably, they'd likely have to do some revision to either the character or game in order to make it work (so, in that case, I guess it'd be the same character insofar as the name didn't change?). Or, alternatively, that the writers based a new character for Inquisition off of old art, and then after creating said character based on the art... got the artists to draw up something new to match the character. And the new art was really different.

Maybe that character design was Sera at some point. But there's not actually any reason to think it likely.

I imagine that the "archer" (whom I may refer to as Sera though its not very accurate) was very much the beginnings of the elf the fans have referred to as either the blonde elf or Sera. With that said I'm sure most take into account that the character they saw was both lifeless and meant for the video it appeared in and likely just a proof of concept back in DA2's days. Now with THAT said it's not much of a huge stretch to assume that they used that elf, as well as the Qunari and Grey Warden from the animation as foundation for three new characters, i.e. Sera, Iron Bull and Beardy Warden.

So beyond that reasons for calling the Archer as well as Blonde Elf Sera, ease of reference. I mean even if I'm totally wrong in assuming that the Archer was at any time even far back in the past the first iteration of the blonde elf/Sera it's still a quick way to reference the character I'm talking about. If I'm clarifying the Archer I say, an older/outdated version of Sera and people get what I'm saying.

[Mistic]

simfamSP wrote...

keightdee wrote...

Hrungr wrote...

David Gaider talks briefly about a comedic style trailer they were considering for Mark of the Assassin over on his Tumblr.

Aveline and Cassandra in that trailer are amazing.

Omg :lol::lol::lol:

WHY?! Why didn't this appear in the game? Or just a trailer! Bioware, please, don't discard such a funny idea next time.

[The Qun & the Damned]

Hrungr wrote...

David Gaider talks briefly about a comedic style trailer they were considering for Mark of the Assassin over on his Tumblr.

Why are we not funding this!?

[Dermain]

Nefario wrote...

Danny Boy 7 wrote...
I suppose it's because the same character was shown along with the Inquisitor and a Qunari in concept art for Inquisition.  There have been major redesigns so it wouldn't suprise me that that elf and qunari were transformed into Sera and Iron Bull. Add to the fact we haven't seen those particular pair since Sera and Bull appeared.

Well, we've seen the design pop up in recently released concept art. The notion that it was specifically created for Inquisition is just something people assume. There are some pieces that include a character that seems intended to depict an Inquisitor (i.e. there's an Inquisition symbol on their armor), but none of those pictures have that particular female-elf-archer design in them. Just as likely it's just a stock character design that Matt Goldman (and/or other artists) use to populate concept art that's focussed more on environment than characters.

I mean, to assume the elf in the little animated bit is Sera - you'd have to assume that they created the character before DA2 and just sat on it, then brought the character back for Inquisition and changed the look. And presumably, they'd likely have to do some revision to either the character or game in order to make it work (so, in that case, I guess it'd be the same character insofar as the name didn't change?). Or, alternatively, that the writers based a new character for Inquisition off of old art, and then after creating said character based on the art... got the artists to draw up something new to match the character. And the new art was really different.

Maybe that character design was Sera at some point. But there's not actually any reason to think it likely.

Perhaps the design was originally meant for Talis?

[Iron Star]

Myrkale wrote...

Nefario wrote...

Danny Boy 7 wrote...
I suppose it's because the same character was shown along with the Inquisitor and a Qunari in concept art for Inquisition.  There have been major redesigns so it wouldn't suprise me that that elf and qunari were transformed into Sera and Iron Bull. Add to the fact we haven't seen those particular pair since Sera and Bull appeared.

Well, we've seen the design pop up in recently released concept art. The notion that it was specifically created for Inquisition is just something people assume. There are some pieces that include a character that seems intended to depict an Inquisitor (i.e. there's an Inquisition symbol on their armor), but none of those pictures have that particular female-elf-archer design in them. Just as likely it's just a stock character design that Matt Goldman (and/or other artists) use to populate concept art that's focussed more on environment than characters.

I mean, to assume the elf in the little animated bit is Sera - you'd have to assume that they created the character before DA2 and just sat on it, then brought the character back for Inquisition and changed the look. And presumably, they'd likely have to do some revision to either the character or game in order to make it work (so, in that case, I guess it'd be the same character insofar as the name didn't change?). Or, alternatively, that the writers based a new character for Inquisition off of old art, and then after creating said character based on the art... got the artists to draw up something new to match the character. And the new art was really different.

Maybe that character design was Sera at some point. But there's not actually any reason to think it likely.

Perhaps the design was originally meant for Talis?

Not likely, since Tallis's appearance from the start was set to look like Felicia Day (since Day played the role of Tallis in the short films where the character first appeared), and she was never blonde.

Link to the films:
Part 1, part 2, part 3, part 4, part 5 and part 6.

Modifié par Get fired up, 22 février 2014 - 01:49 .

[Steppenwolf]

Danny Boy 7 wrote...

Inquisition was supposed to be DA2 right?

Not sure where you're getting that.

[Deadmuskrat]

BasilKarlo wrote...

Danny Boy 7 wrote...

Inquisition was supposed to be DA2 right?

Not sure where you're getting that.

They are probably confused when a couple of Devs were saying that DA:I is the game they wanted to make after DA:O. 

[Danny Boy 7]

BasilKarlo wrote...

Danny Boy 7 wrote...

Inquisition was supposed to be DA2 right?

Not sure where you're getting that.

A long time ago I remember it being said that Inquisition was originally the sequel planned for Origins, but for some reason it became what we know is Dragon Age 2, either because Hawke's story needed to be told in order to set up the world or for some other reason idk. Give me a second to find the quotes.

Clarification#1: And what I mean by it became DA2 is that it was replaced/substituted with DA2

Modifié par Danny Boy 7, 22 février 2014 - 04:08 .

[azarhal]

Danny Boy 7 wrote...

BasilKarlo wrote...

Danny Boy 7 wrote...

Inquisition was supposed to be DA2 right?

Not sure where you're getting that.

A long time ago I remember it being said that Inquisition was originally the sequel planned for Origins, but for some reason it became what we know is Dragon Age 2, either because Hawke's story needed to be told in order to set up the world or for some other reason idk. Give me a second to find the quotes.

Clarification#1: And what I mean by it became DA2 is that it was replaced/substituted with DA2

There were working on two different games, DAI and what became DA2. At some point they focused on the DA2 project and put DAI on a tablet. Allan is the one who explained it (it's even in this thread I believe).

A lots of DA2 early concept arts might actually be for the original DAI plans. Just like some early DAI concept arts might have been for the cancelled Exalted March expansion in reality.

[Fast Jimmy]

Danny Boy 7 wrote...

BasilKarlo wrote...

Danny Boy 7 wrote...

Inquisition was supposed to be DA2 right?

Not sure where you're getting that.

A long time ago I remember it being said that Inquisition was originally the sequel planned for Origins, but for some reason it became what we know is Dragon Age 2, either because Hawke's story needed to be told in order to set up the world or for some other reason idk. Give me a second to find the quotes.

Clarification#1: And what I mean by it became DA2 is that it was replaced/substituted with DA2

No, that's not the case. 

Originally,, DA:O was planned to not have any Origins, but to have one starting story of a refugee of Lothering, running from the Blight. In a nutshell, DA:O was supposed to be about Hawke. 

Then, there was the planned expansion pack to DA2, The Exalted March, which was supposed to focus (according to rumor) on the fallout of the Mage/Templar war. This was scrapped and, instead, rolled into DA:I.

Never was the story of DA2 supposed to be about the Inquisition. 

[Danny Boy 7]

Fast Jimmy wrote...

Danny Boy 7 wrote...

BasilKarlo wrote...

Danny Boy 7 wrote...

Inquisition was supposed to be DA2 right?

Not sure where you're getting that.

A long time ago I remember it being said that Inquisition was originally the sequel planned for Origins, but for some reason it became what we know is Dragon Age 2, either because Hawke's story needed to be told in order to set up the world or for some other reason idk. Give me a second to find the quotes.

Clarification#1: And what I mean by it became DA2 is that it was replaced/substituted with DA2

No, that's not the case. 

Originally,, DA:O was planned to not have any Origins, but to have one starting story of a refugee of Lothering, running from the Blight. In a nutshell, DA:O was supposed to be about Hawke. 

Then, there was the planned expansion pack to DA2, The Exalted March, which was supposed to focus (according to rumor) on the fallout of the Mage/Templar war. This was scrapped and, instead, rolled into DA:I.

Never was the story of DA2 supposed to be about the Inquisition. 

Source?

I'm sure your right, but it would help me in the future to have a link for moments like these.

I'm pretty sure though that it was said that Inquisition was meant to be the sequel to Origins at some point, whether that was conceptually or something else I don't know. It does seem however that it has been around since before Dragon Age 2 was released and that some of the followers have been "recycled"/iterated upon.

As for the bolded I think I should have said that Inquisition was at some point meant to be the sequel to Origins,,,,or even the first game period.

P.S. Still looking for the quote.

[Danny Boy 7]

azarhal wrote...

Danny Boy 7 wrote...

BasilKarlo wrote...

Danny Boy 7 wrote...

Inquisition was supposed to be DA2 right?

Not sure where you're getting that.

A long time ago I remember it being said that Inquisition was originally the sequel planned for Origins, but for some reason it became what we know is Dragon Age 2, either because Hawke's story needed to be told in order to set up the world or for some other reason idk. Give me a second to find the quotes.

Clarification#1: And what I mean by it became DA2 is that it was replaced/substituted with DA2

There were working on two different games, DAI and what became DA2. At some point they focused on the DA2 project and put DAI on a tablet. Allan is the one who explained it (it's even in this thread I believe).

A lots of DA2 early concept arts might actually be for the original DAI plans. Just like some early DAI concept arts might have been for the cancelled Exalted March expansion in reality.

Yeah, I mean the animatic seems to use a lot of Inquisition concepts. Hell the archer in it I believe says "My lord they're approaching" or something to the effect (it's not an exact quote or even a paraphrase so forgive me) which could be the early idea surrounding the Inquisitor's high authority.

I wouldn't doubt that they worked on both concepts however at some point and that Inquisition was the front runner and then they decided to go with what we have in DA2, possibly taking some of the things from Inquisition to integrate into DA2 and vice versa.

[Cirram55]

Danny Boy 7 wrote...

azarhal wrote...

Danny Boy 7 wrote...

BasilKarlo wrote...

Danny Boy 7 wrote...

Inquisition was supposed to be DA2 right?

Not sure where you're getting that.

A long time ago I remember it being said that Inquisition was originally the sequel planned for Origins, but for some reason it became what we know is Dragon Age 2, either because Hawke's story needed to be told in order to set up the world or for some other reason idk. Give me a second to find the quotes.

Clarification#1: And what I mean by it became DA2 is that it was replaced/substituted with DA2

There were working on two different games, DAI and what became DA2. At some point they focused on the DA2 project and put DAI on a tablet. Allan is the one who explained it (it's even in this thread I believe).

A lots of DA2 early concept arts might actually be for the original DAI plans. Just like some early DAI concept arts might have been for the cancelled Exalted March expansion in reality.

Yeah, I mean the animatic seems to use a lot of Inquisition concepts. Hell the archer in it I believe says "My lord they're approaching" or something to the effect (it's not an exact quote or even a paraphrase so forgive me) which could be the early idea surrounding the Inquisitor's high authority.

I wouldn't doubt that they worked on both concepts however at some point and that Inquisition was the front runner and then they decided to go with what we have in DA2, possibly taking some of the things from Inquisition to integrate into DA2 and vice versa.

I remember reading something along those lines, as well. Can't find where though.

[Spectre slayer]

Cirram55 wrote...

Danny Boy 7 wrote...

azarhal wrote...

Danny Boy 7 wrote...

BasilKarlo wrote...

Danny Boy 7 wrote...

Inquisition was supposed to be DA2 right?

Not sure where you're getting that.

A long time ago I remember it being said that Inquisition was originally the sequel planned for Origins, but for some reason it became what we know is Dragon Age 2, either because Hawke's story needed to be told in order to set up the world or for some other reason idk. Give me a second to find the quotes.

Clarification#1: And what I mean by it became DA2 is that it was replaced/substituted with DA2

There were working on two different games, DAI and what became DA2. At some point they focused on the DA2 project and put DAI on a tablet. Allan is the one who explained it (it's even in this thread I believe).

A lots of DA2 early concept arts might actually be for the original DAI plans. Just like some early DAI concept arts might have been for the cancelled Exalted March expansion in reality.

Yeah, I mean the animatic seems to use a lot of Inquisition concepts. Hell the archer in it I believe says "My lord they're approaching" or something to the effect (it's not an exact quote or even a paraphrase so forgive me) which could be the early idea surrounding the Inquisitor's high authority.

I wouldn't doubt that they worked on both concepts however at some point and that Inquisition was the front runner and then they decided to go with what we have in DA2, possibly taking some of the things from Inquisition to integrate into DA2 and vice versa.

I remember reading something along those lines, as well. Can't find where though.

Ah you must be talking about this then.



I actually think she's an old version of "Serra" as well, since an elf just like her has appeared in numerous other concepts along with the inquisitor and some of them by Gaider's statement are very old by now and he did say that some of the people in the survey have changed a significant amount since or before the leak so they could very well be the same character.










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It doesn't mean she was specifically created for either game and might've been intended to be in DA2 and was cut but she possibly interested them enough to salvage and change over time until she became what she is now if they are indeed the same character.

But no DA2 was never supposed to be DAI, it was always intended to be a bridge to DA3 and they admitted as much, also Laidlaw stated that plans for the series itself started after DAO ended which sspawned the whole five game plan comment that he later refuted saying he misspoke. They were working on the overall plans for the series and some eelements from previous games that didn't make the cut may have been incorporated into DAI like what happened with the exhalted march expansion pack and an unreleased unknown third dlc, large parts of both are in DAI now.

Anyway some things that didn't make it into DA2 might've been salvaged including her if they thought she was interesting enough if those are all the same character's that is, if not then they could be different character's who they later combined into what "Serra" is or just different characters entirely.  

Modifié par Spectre slayer, 22 février 2014 - 05:54 .

[Steppenwolf]

That second pic is of a Seeker, not an Inquisitor. It predates Inquisition and if you look at the Elf's armor it bares a striking resemblance to Fenris'. It's likely from early in DA]['s development.
And the Elf in the third pic doesn't share much resemblance. The hair, armor and weapons are all different.

[azarhal]

Spectre slayer wrote...


It doesn't mean she was specifically created for either game and might've been intended to be in DA2 and was cut but she possibly interested them enough to salvage and change over time until she became what she is now if they are indeed the same character.

The elf in the first concept art is just something the artists like to draw, she was never a companion. Gaider takled about it a while back. If the search function on this website wasn't so crap I would find the quote (unless it was on twitter/thumblr, sigh). Also, it's not because they are showing a concept art, that it was made for a specific game. For example, the Cassandra concept art in World of Thedas (and elevator) was made pre-DAI.

Also, your second concept art has a DAI version without any "companions".

[Danny Boy 7]

@Spectre Slayer: Like I said though, DA2 might have been necessary to bridge the gap between the stories they wanted to tell, that doesn't mean that Inquisition wasn't the original sequel just that in order to tell that story it was necessary to tell Hawke's. If that is the case then I fully suspect those concepts were made for the "sequel" to Origins or rather the second story they wanted to eventually get to. Now that doesn't mean I think they didn't want to make DA2, but that it's story was to further explore the world, personal lives of characters and bridge the gap from Origins to Inquisition.

As for the names of characters, it's just ease of reference and really the three companions in the animatic have counterparts in Inquisition so whether it's salvage or just archetypes filed away prior to the making of DA2 I think it says that at the very least the idea of those three were around (not the details but the ideas) as I'm sure there are hundreds.

For Sera I think she was originally the archer elf that we see, either as proof of concept for the whole fighting as a party or a serious character they were designing the first iteration of. Then they developed the idea/concepts a little more, but found that the world change between Origins and Inquisition was to great so they thought about bringing back the refugee idea that Jimmy mentioned and started to develop that as a bridge between games as well as a way to organically create their own unique (visually speaking) world. So she may have been a candidate at some point for DA2, but maybe didn't fit or just fit better with their idea for Inquisition so they filed her, the qunari fellow and grey warden away. Fast forward to when they canceled the exalted march expansion and they decided not only to convert all that work into Inquisition, but also to bring out these archetypes they wanted in their game.

Here is when the stoic older Sera was maybe found to be not the right feel or too similar to a previous character or a myriad of other reasons that resulted in a change in personality and thus image (via collaboration of course.) thus resulting in Fisting Sera.

[Steppenwolf]

"Fisting Sera"? WTF?