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[Danny Boy 7]

BasilKarlo wrote...

That second pic is of a Seeker, not an Inquisitor. It predates Inquisition and if you look at the Elf's armor it bares a striking resemblance to Fenris'. It's likely from early in DA]['s development.
And the Elf in the third pic doesn't share much resemblance. The hair, armor and weapons are all different.

It's arguable that the Seekers were the original "Inquisitors" at least as far as the purpose of what Inquisition would be. I'm probably not explaining this well enough, but what we know as Seekers could possibly have been what is now our Inquisitor if that makes any sense?

As for the elf's armor it's possibly just the same artist using similar motifs for his (I believe it's Matt Rhodes who made that particular piece) art, To explain the elf's differing appearances I'd point to "iteration". They could have jumped from one look to another to another back to the original and then settled on something completely different for that character. I mean just look at Fenris. He has SOO many different concepts that you can just imagine how exhausting coming to a final decision would be.

[Danny Boy 7]

BasilKarlo wrote...

"Fisting Sera"? WTF?

Hehe, The tavern image.

[JeffZero]

BasilKarlo wrote...

"Fisting Sera"? WTF?

I echo this exclamation.

[JeffZero]

Danny Boy 7 wrote...

BasilKarlo wrote...

"Fisting Sera"? WTF?

Hehe, The tavern image.

Ah... makes a great deal more sense now.

[JeffZero]

Is that you, Chris Priestly...?

[Steppenwolf]

Danny Boy 7 wrote...

It's arguable that the Seekers were the original "Inquisitors" at least as far as the purpose of what Inquisition would be. I'm probably not explaining this well enough, but what we know as Seekers could possibly have been what is now our Inquisitor if that makes any sense?

That's not accurate at all. The Seekers are covert operatives. The Inquisition was a marauding force that became the Templars and Seekers. 

Modifié par BasilKarlo, 22 février 2014 - 06:57 .

[JeffZero]

I get the impression he's talking about game development history, not in-game lore.

[Danny Boy 7]

JeffZero wrote...

I get the impression he's talking about game development history, not in-game lore.

You got it.

The Seeker could have just as well been the early concept for the inquisitor,

[Steppenwolf]

The Inquisition was part of the lore before the Seekers and the Seekers primarily police the Templars and handle covert affairs. That's not what the Inquisition was at all. The Inquisition hunted demons, maleficar, blood mages, cultists, etc.

[ElitePinecone]

BasilKarlo wrote...

That second pic is of a Seeker, not an Inquisitor. It predates Inquisition and if you look at the Elf's armor it bares a striking resemblance to Fenris'. It's likely from early in DA]['s development.
And the Elf in the third pic doesn't share much resemblance. The hair, armor and weapons are all different.

The image was used in Bioware's Developer Diary at Gamescom last year, behind the scenes of the announcement trailer. It would be... weird if they put something from pre-DA2 in there, but it could happen I suppose.

I thought that second picture actually looked pretty exactly like a version of Inquisitor that we've seen in gameplay, the one using a one-handed sword and shield with the eye symbol.

(Incidentally, that video above is roughly what I'd expect from the dev diaries that they're doing now - at least in terms of length and content. Mostly interviews with [very interesting, awesome] talking heads, and some snippets of information.)

[Steppenwolf]

ElitePinecone wrote...

I thought that second picture actually looked pretty exactly like a version of Inquisitor that we've seen in gameplay, the one using a one-handed sword and shield with the eye symbol.

There's gameplay of the PC in Seeker armor? I don't doubt that we'll be able to wear Seeker armor but why feature it in concept art and pre-alpha gameplay videos?

[Danny Boy 7]

BasilKarlo wrote...

The Inquisition was part of the lore before the Seekers and the Seekers primarily police the Templars and handle covert affairs. That's not what the Inquisition was at all. The Inquisition hunted demons, maleficar, blood mages, cultists, etc.

I don't think you're getting what I'm saying. The Seekers came after the Inquisition (original) in the lore. The Inquisition that we'll be playing "conceptually" was likely what the Seekers were supposed to be before Dragon Age II became a game.

Imagine that DA2 hadn't ever happened, instead of calling our hero the "Inquisitor" he or she would be the Seeker complete with all the heraldry belonging to the Seekers.

[Danny Boy 7]

ElitePinecone wrote...

BasilKarlo wrote...

That second pic is of a Seeker, not an Inquisitor. It predates Inquisition and if you look at the Elf's armor it bares a striking resemblance to Fenris'. It's likely from early in DA]['s development.
And the Elf in the third pic doesn't share much resemblance. The hair, armor and weapons are all different.

The image was used in Bioware's Developer Diary at Gamescom last year, behind the scenes of the announcement trailer. It would be... weird if they put something from pre-DA2 in there, but it could happen I suppose.

I thought that second picture actually looked pretty exactly like a version of Inquisitor that we've seen in gameplay, the one using a one-handed sword and shield with the eye symbol.

(Incidentally, that video above is roughly what I'd expect from the dev diaries that they're doing now - at least in terms of length and content. Mostly interviews with [very interesting, awesome] talking heads, and some snippets of information.)

I'd love that if it were true. I was hoping they'd do something like that though I wonder how they'll do five diaries?

[Reznore57]

I tend to think they wanted to use the seeker in a different manner , using a Seeker pc.
But it's just guesses.
As for Sera , well I think the punky elf was just something they liked.
Maybe they put the idea aside for a while and reused and gave it a overhaul.
It's pretty common when you create something some ideas get put in the recycle bin, brew for a while , and then you rework it.

As far as I know creating a character is like anything else, it's work and it takes a while.
Besides Bioware devs work in team , if I remember correctly writers are often given a general idea about a character and then flesh it out.
And then the artists will draw them , they work with the writers but they obviously also influence the final result.
But anyway it's not too far fetched to think some people thought the concept art with the badass qunari and elf worked well, and it got reused for Inquisition.

[Allan Schumacher]

Fast Jimmy wrote...

No, that's not the case. 

Originally,, DA:O was planned to not have any Origins, but to have one starting story of a refugee of Lothering, running from the Blight. In a nutshell, DA:O was supposed to be about Hawke. 

Then, there was the planned expansion pack to DA2, The Exalted March, which was supposed to focus (according to rumor) on the fallout of the Mage/Templar war. This was scrapped and, instead, rolled into DA:I.

Never was the story of DA2 supposed to be about the Inquisition. 

It was mentioned on the forum before (at least by me, and possibly by David as well) that Inquisition was originally slated to be the sequel, but then we started working on Exodus which was to be a bridge between the two games (and a smaller, more experimental game, which I think we didn't do as well as we could have).  Exodus then became Dragon Age 2 and much of it is history.

Though without DA2, it's entirely likely that much of what we have for DAI in terms of story content could be different since it's not like the entire plot arch was detailed out.

The details of each narratives may or may not have belonged in the other game, but that was so long ago now and the point is simply that the sequel to DAO was original a game titled "Dragon Age: Inquisition" which, for a variety of reasons, we changed over to Dragon Age: Exodus which eventually was named Dragon Age 2.

Modifié par Allan Schumacher, 22 février 2014 - 09:15 .

[Bogrot]

Greetings,

Am I the only one to see a lulzy analogy between the Chantry and the Gestapo, the Templars and the Waffen SS and the Seekers and the SD respectively.

[TheBlackAdder13]

Bogrot wrote...

Greetings,

Am I the only one to see a lulzy analogy between the Chantry and the Gestapo, the Templars and the Waffen SS and the Seekers and the SD respectively.

Yes. Yes you are. 

[ElitePinecone]

Allan Schumacher wrote...

It was mentioned on the forum before (at least by me, and possibly by David as well) that Inquisition was originally slated to be the sequel, but then we started working on Exodus which was to be a bridge between the two games (and a smaller, more experimental game, which I think we didn't do as well as we could have).  Exodus then became Dragon Age 2 and much of it is history.

Though without DA2, it's entirely likely that much of what we have for DAI in terms of story content could be different since it's not like the entire plot arch was detailed out.

That's really interesting. I had no idea DA2 was conceived as something more experimental (and perhaps smaller), it might've been compromised a bit by the necessity to turn it into a full game in the vein of the Origins sequel that many people were expecting.

The team obviously still had to market the game as if it was a fully-fleshed out successor to Origins, so I can see why there might be some regret about misalignment of expectations (which was the term that Ray Muzyka, I think, used).

[Steppenwolf]

Danny Boy 7 wrote...

BasilKarlo wrote...

The Inquisition was part of the lore before the Seekers and the Seekers primarily police the Templars and handle covert affairs. That's not what the Inquisition was at all. The Inquisition hunted demons, maleficar, blood mages, cultists, etc.

I don't think you're getting what I'm saying. The Seekers came after the Inquisition (original) in the lore. The Inquisition that we'll be playing "conceptually" was likely what the Seekers were supposed to be before Dragon Age II became a game.

Imagine that DA2 hadn't ever happened, instead of calling our hero the "Inquisitor" he or she would be the Seeker complete with all the heraldry belonging to the Seekers.

How it that likely? Just because you had the thought doesn't mean it's correct. 

[Allan Schumacher]

How it that likely? Just because you had the thought doesn't mean it's correct.

Because it's what he thinks based on what he saw. It doesn't preclude you from disagreeing.

I'd prefer this not get into a semantics debate over people having different opinions and assumptions.

[Enad]

Allan Schumacher wrote...

Fast Jimmy wrote...

No, that's not the case. 

Originally,, DA:O was planned to not have any Origins, but to have one starting story of a refugee of Lothering, running from the Blight. In a nutshell, DA:O was supposed to be about Hawke. 

Then, there was the planned expansion pack to DA2, The Exalted March, which was supposed to focus (according to rumor) on the fallout of the Mage/Templar war. This was scrapped and, instead, rolled into DA:I.

Never was the story of DA2 supposed to be about the Inquisition. 

It was mentioned on the forum before (at least by me, and possibly by David as well) that Inquisition was originally slated to be the sequel, but then we started working on Exodus which was to be a bridge between the two games (and a smaller, more experimental game, which I think we didn't do as well as we could have).  Exodus then became Dragon Age 2 and much of it is history.

Though without DA2, it's entirely likely that much of what we have for DAI in terms of story content could be different since it's not like the entire plot arch was detailed out.

The details of each narratives may or may not have belonged in the other game, but that was so long ago now and the point is simply that the sequel to DAO was original a game titled "Dragon Age: Inquisition" which, for a variety of reasons, we changed over to Dragon Age: Exodus which eventually was named Dragon Age 2.

Really interesting. Great insight.

Thanks for posting, Allan.

[Danny Boy 7]

Yeah thanks for posting Allan

[Danny Boy 7]

BasilKarlo wrote...

Danny Boy 7 wrote...

BasilKarlo wrote...

The Inquisition was part of the lore before the Seekers and the Seekers primarily police the Templars and handle covert affairs. That's not what the Inquisition was at all. The Inquisition hunted demons, maleficar, blood mages, cultists, etc.

I don't think you're getting what I'm saying. The Seekers came after the Inquisition (original) in the lore. The Inquisition that we'll be playing "conceptually" was likely what the Seekers were supposed to be before Dragon Age II became a game.

Imagine that DA2 hadn't ever happened, instead of calling our hero the "Inquisitor" he or she would be the Seeker complete with all the heraldry belonging to the Seekers.

How it that likely? Just because you had the thought doesn't mean it's correct. 

I was just clarifying my opinion because it seemed like you didn't understand that I was talking about outside information rather than strictly lore.

[Steppenwolf]

Allan Schumacher wrote...

How it that likely? Just because you had the thought doesn't mean it's correct.

Because it's what he thinks based on what he saw. It doesn't preclude you from disagreeing.

I'd prefer this not get into a semantics debate over people having different opinions and assumptions.

I don't have any problem with different opinions. I just don't think "this is likely" is an acceptable substitute for "this is what I think." I think all kinds of stuff about all kinds of things but I don't say all of them are likely true just because they're the ideas I have. For something to be likely it has to have evidence. Without evidence it's just an idea.

[Allan Schumacher]

Because it's a qualifier. He doesn't just think it's a possibility, he feels that the evidence and logic makes it a strong possibility for him. It's still a supposition, however. Just one that he feels more strongly about than wording such as "could be" or "may be."


There is evidence as well. It could be circumstantial, but depending on the assumptions that he makes as to whether or not that original concept art was originally created under the guise of being for a game called "Inquisition" rather than Exodus/Dragon Age 2, it's a consistent logical deduction.

That said, the logic could still be refuted with more information. For him the pieces fit together well enough to feel that the imagery is likely related.