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Jessica Marzipan @JessicaMerizan 

Ever wanted to know what it's like to work w/ me? This is why I can't have a simple conversation w/ @DiscoBabaloo http://thoughtcatalog.com/brianna-wiest/2014/03/18-struggles-only-over-thinkers-will-understand/ 

 

Fernando Melo @DiscoBabaloo 

@JessicaMerizan I will need to print this and stick on my wall for reference.

 

Jessica Marzipan @JessicaMerizan 

@DiscoBabaloo Me: "Hey Fernando, can I ask a quick question?" *30 min later* You: "Uh oh, looks like you're guilty of #3 again! Off you go!"

 

Fernando Melo @DiscoBabaloo 

@JessicaMerizan In fairness, you did say it was a quick question this time :P

 

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@DiscoBabaloo @JessicaMerizan This is very enlightening, thanks for sharing!



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I know Mike has already said there'll be femShep marketing, but Bioware doesn't have the best record for this kind of thing. I see no reason why people shouldn't remind them of that obligation


What obligation? Their only obligation is to sell games. If it makes sense from a sales standpoint then they should spend the time and money doing female-specific advertising. If it doesn't stand to yield enough additional sales to make it worth it then why should have to do it? Are you going to boycott them if they don't have advertising materials and/or trailers featuring a female Inquisitor? How many people would actually do that?
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What obligation? Their only obligation is to sell games. If it makes sense from a sales standpoint then they should spend the time and money doing female-specific advertising. If it doesn't stand to yield enough additional sales to make it worth it then why should have to do it? Are you going to boycott them if they don't have advertising materials and/or trailers featuring a female Inquisitor? How many people would actually do that?

That's true. 



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What obligation? Their only obligation is to sell games. If it makes sense from a sales standpoint then they should spend the time and money doing female-specific advertising. If it doesn't stand to yield enough additional sales to make it worth it then why should have to do it? Are you going to boycott them if they don't have advertising materials and/or trailers featuring a female Inquisitor? How many people would actually do that?

 

Apparently some people get really uptight if they don't see their desired sex, race or whatever the hell else they want marketed. Personally I don't care what they market. It's not going to change my opinion on the game, I'm already going to buy it no matter what. If they decided to do a fully male protagonist marketing scheme, so be it. That wont affect anyone from playing female once they get the game. 

Always curious why Bioware fans get so crazy about seeing their desired protagonist in the marketing.


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Are you going to boycott them if they don't have advertising materials and/or trailers featuring a female Inquisitor? How many people would actually do that?

 

Most fans wouldn't boycott the game since they already know you can choose your gender and race and it's not a generic dudebro fantasy. New or potential players however do not know this. If I didn't already know BioWare and how good they are with choices, characters, story, and inclusivity, I would not be interested in the game based on what has been shown so far.(generic white male with stubble protagonist seemingly without personality, focus almost completely on combat, etc...) To the casual observer, it seems like your run of the mill hack and slash fantasy game. I and many others (especially women) are not interested in a game that has a fixed protagonist, especially the tired old straight white male with dark hair and stubble that is in everything. Not many would skip the game out of spite, but MANY will overlook it because it (incorrectly) is portrayed as something they don't like.


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Most fans wouldn't boycott the game since they already know you can choose your gender and race and it's not a generic dudebro fantasy. New or potential players however do not know this. If I didn't already know BioWare and how good they are with choices, characters, story, and inclusivity, I would not be interested in the game based on what has been shown so far.(generic white male with stubble protagonist seemingly without personality, focus almost completely on combat, etc...) To the casual observer, it seems like your run of the mill hack and slash fantasy game. I and many others (especially women) are not interested in a game that has a fixed protagonist, especially the tired old straight white male with dark hair and stubble that is in everything. Not many would skip the game out of spite, but MANY will overlook it because it (incorrectly) is portrayed as something they don't like.

 

You must play very few games as there's only a handfull that give you the option to play as a female.

It's also quite funny that the gender of the protagonist is the main 'selling point' for you. I realize it's an RPG and you may want to RP as a woman or whatever but there's so much more to the game than your gender. 

 

I never understand the whole "generic white male" stigma some gamers(seems to be the modern feminist crowd of gamers) have. How is a white male generic and any less interesting than if the character was black? Or female? Does having a hero be black automatically make them interesting? Same goes for female, how is a GENERIC WHITE FEMALE any more interesting than a male counterpart? To me, they're all the same. It's how you develop the character that makes them interesting. In games like these, the protagonists are fairly blank slates for you to shape into the type of character you want them to be. For example, I found the good guy path in DA2 to be a tad boring, while the Humorous route was actually really entertaining and witty.


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"You must play very few games as there's only a handfull that give you the option to play as a female."

I believe you just made her point.

I, too, know a great many women in RL who are turned off from things I know they'll enjoy (and eventually I prove that to several of them) because of marketing that fails to remotely touch on things I know would interest them. Many of them have told me they shy away from most video games because of the lack of strong female characters or have been genuinely shocked when I told them there even *are* any strong female characters. It's an uphill climb getting these women to see that when everything they see of these games on TV and in internet ads has told them otherwise.

I do stop short (and even feel borderline resentful) when I see people putting down good male character design in blanket statements like "oh look, it's Generic McDudebro #3224", because I happen to really dig male default Shepard and male default Hawke as great designs I gladly roll with, but I've had far too many intelligent conversations with far too many intelligent women over the years not to see a problem with the marketing being completely skewed toward that imagery.

The idea that "since *I* already know what I'm getting" and/or "since *I* get what I want" it's the right thing to do to just put down anyone who recognizes that a lot of other people are screwed out of realizing there's content in a BioWare game that would delight them... is really negative and offputting to me. I'm not saying you should waste your time caring about something you clearly don't care about, but there's no reason to clump a genuine concern together in a ball of "oh, it's just feminists, those darn females."
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Damnation, and I told myself I wouldn't get involved too.
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Sneaks up on yeah don't it?


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I'm not sure if anyone's brought this up yet, but we've already heard they're going to use a female and male protagonist in marketing...

 

We will have a female character and a male one that we use in marketing. As to the box, we haven't decided what's on it yet.

- Mark Darrah


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#19086
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Sneaks up on yeah don't it?


Like a bad itch!

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You must play very few games as there's only a handfull that give you the option to play as a female.

It's also quite funny that the gender of the protagonist is the main 'selling point' for you. I realize it's an RPG and you may want to RP as a woman or whatever but there's so much more to the game than your gender. 

 

I never understand the whole "generic white male" stigma some gamers(seems to be the modern feminist crowd of gamers) have. How is a white male generic and any less interesting than if the character was black? Or female? Does having a hero be black automatically make them interesting? Same goes for female, how is a GENERIC WHITE FEMALE any more interesting than a male counterpart? To me, they're all the same. It's how you develop the character that makes them interesting. In games like these, the protagonists are fairly blank slates for you to shape into the type of character you want them to be. For example, I found the good guy path in DA2 to be a tad boring, while the Humorous route was actually really entertaining and witty.

 

Generic White Male= tough guy, usually stubble, could have blond hair but usually brown- could be sarcastic or could be stoic but usually being the best (or becoming the best) of whatever faction he is- soldier,spy,treasure hunter, or etc.

 

At least that seems to be the generall trend of main protaganist in many games- it becomes generic because it is the most common archetype for protaganists

 

You will find more white males as the lead in games compared to any other gender or race- which makes it common and eventually generic because the characters tend to share a lot of traits.



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A discussion I saw on twitter recently, "yes, as a male, i could be a wizard, barbarian or assassin, but not a female." (Hilariously, this guy and a couple of others were tweeting @ Ragnar Tornquist, designer of The Longest Journey with its very female protagonists.)

 

It's ironic that us women (who have a long history of playing as male characters, trust me) get blamed. :D

 

BioWare, do a Longest Journey and put ladyquisitor on the box! You can totally do it.


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I actually only play a handful of games now that I have less time and find myself gravitating to games where I can create my own character and play as a female. I am tired of only playing as male in games, unless the story is good and I am really interested in the gameplay or it is an old favorite will I play a fixed male protaganist.


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Damnation, and I told myself I wouldn't get involved too.

 

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Ahaha, story of my life~

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I'm not sure if anyone's brought this up yet, but we've already heard they're going to use a female and male protagonist in marketing...

 

We will have a female character and a male one that we use in marketing. As to the box, we haven't decided what's on it yet.

- Mark Darrah

 

I hope they just use the picture of the Inquisition helm or slap a picture of a dragon or something on there. I'd prefer to see it as my game. Not some default male/female's who I'll never play as anyway.

 

I know plenty of people like to play as a default, but if what we've heard about the CC is true it would be almost criminal not to make a custom character. 


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"Patrick, you monster" -- @SherylChee trash-talking me in the tech comments of a conversation line because she knows which option I'll take.


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Haha, yeah. I actually dabbled in a custom for my Origins playthrough because I decided default Aedan is kinda ugly and I had a blast with it. It's only the second time I've ever done that in a BioWare game (my fifth of six Shepards, a female named Elhaym, was the first...) but I like to think the results were worth it.
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"Patrick, you monster" -- @SherylChee trash-talking me in the tech comments of a conversation line because she knows which option I'll take.


That is awesome.

brb changing my major, I can't stand not working at BioWare anymore.
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Patrick Weekes @PatrickWeekes 

"Patrick, you monster" -- @SherylChee trash-talking me in the tech comments of a conversation line because she knows which option I'll take.

 

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@PatrickWeekes I'll never forgive you for doing the thing I gave you the option to do.

 

Patrick Weekes @PatrickWeekes 

@SherylChee If BioWare writers need a shirt with something beyond "emotional hooligans" on it, that's a pretty kickass motto.

 

:lol:

 

Patrick Weekes @PatrickWeekes 

.@davidgaider @SherylChee @bbattye @Sylvf1 @BioMaryKirby @bengelinas @genevrael @KarinWeekes We kicked some word-butt this week. Rest well.


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You must play very few games as there's only a handfull that give you the option to play as a female.

It's also quite funny that the gender of the protagonist is the main 'selling point' for you. I realize it's an RPG and you may want to RP as a woman or whatever but there's so much more to the game than your gender. 

 

I never understand the whole "generic white male" stigma some gamers(seems to be the modern feminist crowd of gamers) have. How is a white male generic and any less interesting than if the character was black? Or female? Does having a hero be black automatically make them interesting? Same goes for female, how is a GENERIC WHITE FEMALE any more interesting than a male counterpart? To me, they're all the same. It's how you develop the character that makes them interesting. In games like these, the protagonists are fairly blank slates for you to shape into the type of character you want them to be. For example, I found the good guy path in DA2 to be a tad boring, while the Humorous route was actually really entertaining and witty.

 

I don't know what you would consider "very few" games, I have ended up with several games that are "meh" (and yes, these are usually the games with a fixed male protagonist though usually I buy these cheap and used when there's nothing better out)  but the ones I do end up loving I replay many times and end up putting hundreds of hours into, buying all DLCs for them, and instantly buying any sequel. I used to play JRPGs almost exclusively and there's a higher percentage of JRPGs with female protagonists but it's still skewed and only recently have more games allowed you to play as female. Growing up I was usually stuck as male, and honestly I'm sick to death of it. Movies, music, tv shows, books, etc...all have an even mix of genders portrayed and those industries haven't collapsed yet video games lag far behind.

 

As for a person's gender or race automatically making them interesting, it doesn't. However when a company uses that same focus test muscular straight white male with dark hair and stubble or beard that has literally been used THOUSANDS of times, I think well, they have zero creativity with the lead character design, they probably have zero creativity with his personality (one dimensional "let's kill these bitches!") and its most likely about combat or a certain mechanic and story, characters, roleplay, etc...are either pushed to the side or non existent as almost every one of its' clone army has been. The focus test white guy has become the generic because he's everywhere. Just having a female or someone of another race on the cover would already signal "not generic" because they are hardly ever used.

 

I wonder if you'd feel it was so unimportant if YOU were forced to play a set Asian female with blonde hair and a bob haircut with the same bland non-personality in almost EVERY single game for your entire life and those games involved little to none of the things you liked and hours of bedazzling high heeled shoes? And even the ones where you could play something else or weren't about shoe sparkles never mentioned it but instead shoved default lady in your face and made you think it was just more of the same.


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I've reached my positive vote quota for the day. D: Pretend I liked that. I'll do it later.

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I hope they just use the picture of the Inquisition helm or slap a picture of a dragon or something on there. I'd prefer to see it as my game. Not some default male/female's who I'll never play as anyway.

 

I know plenty of people like to play as a default, but if what we've heard about the CC is true it would be almost criminal not to make a custom character. 

 

Because I follow the game so closely the marketing, beyond "fun trailers" and the like... is largely irrelevant. If I didn't know the game, I'd certainly would want to be made aware of the highlight features - like m/f multiple races. And since there are so many options, for the box art I agree I'd prefer see some neutral art like the Inquisihelm. But for the rest of the marketing - let us know the options...



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I fail to see the point of the person who said the white male protagonist is some sort of dudebro with brown or blond hair, stubble, and highly skilled, either the best or becoming the best in their profession. Congratulations on your use of adjectives and descriptors. Now change white/male/brown hair/ and does that make the character more valuable? They're still the protagonist,so all other tropes apply. I understand that it's overused for a main character, but that doesn't make it necessarily bad
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